Ok, what I meant to say was...he can't balance defending and attacking.
Modric, rubbish and other arse
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A thread full of idiots discussing Modric has warped into a thread about idiots discussing Gerrard.
I honestly wonder whether some of you have ever seen a live match, ever played football, ever stop reading The Sun and if any of you ever have a chance of growing a brain.
I also have a question -
Have any of you seen Modric in the same room as Gail Platt at the same time?
I honestly wonder whether some of you have ever seen a live match, ever played football, ever stop reading The Sun and if any of you ever have a chance of growing a brain.
I also have a question -
Have any of you seen Modric in the same room as Gail Platt at the same time?
All your statements here are actually completely wrong. You haven't watched him enough to be qualified to comment. Else you're not bright enough to comment.
Actually, he has shown himself to be fairly disciplined the past two seasons in midfield. Less of the 'i'm everywhere, me' and more focus on doing the job he is supposed to.
Agree on the defending part. He does it fairly well, but he doesn't strike you as being all that committed to it as often as you'd like.
"You're wrong because I don't think you're qualified to comment."
Pray tell why...
Is this why he still can't play alongside Lampard for England? Or the fact that he's still fairly poor when he plays in a midfield two?
The fact that Gerrard needs two holding midfielders to play in his best position indicates a distinct lack of positional sense.
'New Zidane'
Really? Looks to me that you don't know even know where your own players play, let alone be qualified to have any more sophisticated opinion.
He has spent a significant part of both this season and last playing in central midfield, as rafa has set out to play two up front from the outset of both seasons. And the season before that, despite the frequent questions of 'why does he play on the right?' he actually spent quite some time in the middle (in fact, most of his goals were scored from central midfield that season), with Cisse, Garciaand even Sissoko taking turns on the right prior to him moving out there more. So that's the first part wrong. He has also done well in those games. Another part. Also, from his england debut and for rather many games after, he was something of a talisman for England in the holding role. And I certainly do recall a certain game where he best Keane comprehensively. In sum, it is all wrong and reflects a lazy perception of the player.
He is not fairly poor in a midfield two. He has had many excellent games there.
He doesn't.
I can't remember the last time Gerrard has had an excellent game in a midfield two.
He plays up front, hence all the goals the 'dynamic midfielder' gets.
Knee sliding cnut.
Benitez always plays 4231, he never plays two up. So not only don't you know where your men are playing you don't even know what you're playing. Plan 9 from outer space.
No he's not. He's one of the best midfielders in the PL. But no way in hell is he the best central midfielder in the world. It's not even arguable... how can he be the "best central midfielder" in the world when what's currently best for his club is when he plays right behind TorresYou would never hear of Xavi playing right behind Eto'o because it's what's best for his club... if Gerrard was truly the best central midfielder then the squad would be built around him, to accomodate him.
Give up. They have absolutely no idea what they're on about, yet they're as stubborn and determined to argue as they are plentiful.
No, he should give up because he's talking shite. Liverpool have played 200-odd games in the last 4 years - how many has Gerrard played in CM? 10-15% tops.
I'd wager that both of us have seen more of those games than you and the manc morons.
So what's the number then? Plan 9 claims he's played plenty this season?
As much as I would like this statement to be true, the part about Keane always creaming Gerrard is bullshit. Including the charity shield, United lost 5 straight games to Liverpool under Houllier and Keane played in all of them, bar the 3-1 at Anfield in 2001. Gerrard outplayed him in most of these games. It was not until Keane was on his last legs that he started to address the balance but Gerrard has had some cracking games against United when pairing with Hamann as part of a midfield two. All of them under Houllier mind you and now in the distant past.
Are you suggesting that Gerrard mainly plays as a striker for Liverpool? If so, that's bollocks.
Ever heard the phrase "attacking midfielder"?
Ever heard of a 5-man midfield in a 4-2-3-1 formation?
He's an attacking central midfielder more than anything else, even if he can also play in RM and elsewhere.
And if you don't think that Gerrard would be picked in CM by many as part of a world XI then you are deluded beyond hope. He is a fantastic player. Some folks need to look beyond their anti-Liverpool bias on this board.
Why doesn't he play more as a CM for Liverpool then ? Simple question
He plays in CM plenty for Liverpool. The latest example was their last match - attacking central mid in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Well that doesn't sound very convincing even on the numbers. 5 games, one Keane didn't play, one CS. So that's three games in which Gerrard outplayed him in 'most' ie two max.
That's not CM you twat that's AM in a 4231
What peter said basically. Gerrard has never performed well in a two man midfield combo,as a matter of fact he's been very average at that position so therefore he needs to play with more freedom and with 2 better CM behind him
Yes it is, you twat. It's attacking central mid, playing a more attacking ahead role of two other CMs in a three-man central midfield with two other attacking midfield wide players either side.
Its the Rooney position
In the early part of his career, Gerrard definetely had a good record against United/Keane and he was a big reason we lost those five games. He looked like a younger version of a Robson and Keane type player, I'd of taken him in a shot for United if he was not an LFC youth team prodigy. Even SAF was talking him up as Keane's successor in 04/05. He still had some good games against us for Houllier after that run of five straight wins. Won the penalty at O.T. which Murphy scored when they won at O.T. for a third time under Houllier.
Since Benitez has taken over, Gerrard not had one impressive game against United whatever position he has played, either at Anfield or O.T, so make of that you will.
Where are the 2 (in a 4231) playing then - in RM (retarded midfield)?
Fàbregas plays in central midfield with an attacking bias - this is "attacking central midfield" (which I've never heard of until now).
Gerrard plays in attacking midfield. Liverpool's formation does not resemble CM-CM-CM - it is CM-CM-AM, with Gerrard playing a very advanced free-role behind Torres.
Is different.
They are playing centrally also, in a less advanced/attacking role - that's 3 CMs - one more attacking (Gerrard) than the other two CMs, with two other attacking midfield wide players in LM/LW and RM/LW.
The attempt to argue that Gerrard is not central midfielder is a joke.
Eh, one of them was the CS and the another one Keane didn't play in! Perhaps I'm on more solid ground with Vieira SG was creamed every time notably in the losing Cup final in 2001.
You've never heard of an attacking central midfielder? What planet are you living on?
I've never heard of it described as a position, only as a role.
He's not a CM he plays centrally ahead of the CM, Liverpool play with Mascherano and Alonso in there in a 4231 ( as England do - which is why he's been shoved out on the left for England - and was shoved out on the right for Liverpool a couple of seasons ago).
Probably, Houllier's record against Arsenal was not to good from what I recall. That CS was a competitive game mind you, they did the double over United the previous season and we wanted a win badly. Even if you take it out, it still leaves three games, two of them at O.T, when Gerrard was very good against Keane and are midfield in general. Like I said, he had some other good games for Houllier against us, which is in total contrast to his record against us under Benitez.
It ain't in dispute now that Gerrard best position is behind a striker, but if he had been under a different manager, I can't see any reason why he could well have handled playing in a midfield two for his career. Only under Benitez that that all of his strengths look attacking. He was very good under Houllier when played as a centre midfielder during the plastic treble and second place finish years.
I think he's been disappointing - he looked to have all the attributes (arguably more) to supplant Keane and Vieira as the kingpin of CM in the PL and win games and titles. I think he's a cameo item these days.
I actually agree with this, Gerrard still is a huge goal threat, but have the time he does far to little and relies on Mascherano and Alonso to do ALL of the work, and then all of a sudden Stevie Me pops up with a winner
He plays in too shite team, deserve to have another chance to be rated
You just contradicted yourself twice in your post. No one is denying Gerrard's talent and skill, I think he is an excellent world class player. But he is not the best central midfielder in the world. Just because he is a class attacking midfielder who is capable of playing in the CM doesn't automatically make him the best central midfielder in the world by default.
Hargreaves is a class DM, but he can also play RB and RM very well... does that make him the best central midfielder in the world too?There are plenty of managers/footballers/fans that would not pick him to be part of their XI, there are threads posted all the time about interviews of managers/footballers that pick their best XI and Gerrard is never listed.
And I certainly don't have an anti-Liverpool bias because I think Torres 07-08 was the best striker in the world.
And right now, at this moment, I would rather have Torres than Rooney on the squad if I was SAF, how's that for anti-Liverpool bias?