Mou can’t hand out old-school tongue-lashings as modern stars are too mentally frail says Lou Macari

Macari is talking shite. You treated certain invidiuals in a manner in which you can get the best out of their personalities. Its a case by case basis. Ronaldo wasnt treated the same as Wes Brown. Lee Sharpe wasnt treated the same as Cantona. Schmeichel wasnt treated like Gary Walsh. This is an ego business. You have to appeal to their personas.
 
FujiVice said:
Macari is talking shite. You treated certain invidiuals in a manner in which you can get the best out of their personalities. Its a case by case basis. Ronaldo wasnt treated the same as Wes Brown. Lee Sharpe wasnt treated the same as Cantona. Schmeichel wasnt treated like Gary Walsh. This is an ego business. You have to appeal to their personas.
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So, of our current crop, which players do you think could take the full on hair drier and respond positively without melting?
 
What is it with every bleedin' older generation since the dinos f*cked off thinking that the next generation is soft? Too thick to motivate youngsters without the implicit threat of violence. Twats.
 
Errm matic, Herrera, lukaku

I think it is a natural tendency for a player that was criticized publicly by his manager to want to prove he can be better. However, it is demoralizing to come out the next week and perform well and not get the praise or even get dropped. It gives the notion that the manager just doesn't fancy you enough.
 
SteveJ said:
What is it with every bleedin' older generation since the dinos f*cked off thinking that the next generation is soft? Too thick to motivate youngsters without the implicit threat of violence. Twats.
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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Plato-
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Plato-
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See? Even Mickey Mouse's dog was at it.
 
Eyepopper said:
So, of our current crop, which players do you think could take the full on hair drier and respond positively without melting?
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Probably dont want to be coming out in public and burying your star players. Because you'll end up with them in cruise control until either they are sold or the manager is sacked.
 
Eyepopper said:
So, of our current crop, which players do you think could take the full on hair drier and respond positively without melting?
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Probably dont want to be coming out in public and burying your star players. Because you'll end up with them in cruise control until either they are sold or the manager is sacked.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Plato-
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.... They like their hair cuts,
and their Snapchat dances.
The children of today, They're 25.
 
dove said:
I am pretty sure we don't do this anymore hence why we have team of individuals and if we go 0-1 down it's a game over, we just give up (City away was some incredible exception).
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It can't really be an incredible exception when it happened three times in a bit over a month last spring. We sometimes react well going behind, sometimes not.
 
Yeah, 'cause being able to scream in a players' face will sort out our incompetence in attack and give us some cohesion.
 
Magnus said:
So did Rooney but they did more for our club than the fannies of today will ever do bar de Gea. I am not obsessed with winning but entertain me, show a pride of wearing that Crest or feck off
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So you think that getting drunk, hitting the headline for all the wrong reasons and becoming shit at age 31 simply because he couldn't bother keeping himself fit is showing pride of wearing that crest?

I think we need to be careful here between being good enough and not showing passion at all. In my opinion our problem is the former, not the latter. Don't take me wrong, we always had a number of donkeys in the team. But we all knew deep down that these players do not make us win games don't we? It was the Scholes, the Giggs, the Ronaldos, the Rios, the Stams, the Keanes who brought cups and medals to this club not the Philip Nevilles and the John OSheas. Now if you ask me what's our problem is then

a- we seriously lack talent. Look at this squad and pinpoint which players would have a decent shot of making it in the treble team. I dare to say, DDG and maybe, just maybe, Lukaku instead of Cole.

b- the top clubs and I am referring to clubs like Juventus whose been winning consistently for 60 years not like us ie a club with just 2 successful managers in all our history has standards. Once those standards aren't met the player is out. Do you know the similarities between Buffon, Del Piero and Marchisio is? IE they are all Juventus legends and they were all kicked out from the club, against their will, because the club felt that their contribution didn't justify their own salary or were asking for more then the club was willing to give. FFS we took 8 years to get rid of that Brazilian busy body who barely gave us 10 solid games at a row. I can make an entire formation of players who overstayed with Foster on goal, Gaz as RB, Rojo and Jones as CBs, Shaw as LB, Carrick, Keane, Fletcher and Ando in midfield and Rooney and Owen upfront.

Players today are millionaires. There are standards that need to be met and they certainly don't need clubs to nanny them past their expiry date.
 
JPRouve said:
You perfectly know that old school footballers weren't stronger nor more disciplined. Also power is still within clubs, only household names have more power but it was already the case pre-bosman just look at a player like Cruijff.
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Bosman ruling and the end of the three foreigner rule had benefited mid and low tier players as well. In the past big contracts were only reserved for top players and only the top players would even think of moving abroad. I remember the Serie A in its prime where even the smallest of clubs had the likes of Dunga, Careca, Maradona, Hagi and Laudrup in their squad simply because restrictions made it only possibly for the very best to move.

For the rest I agree, especially concerning British talent who were always considered as the enfant terrible of football. They were either not good enough, not disciplined enough (Gazza for example), not flexible enough (Rush for example failed to learn Italian) or not tactically savvy enough to make it. The few that did make it like for example Paul Ince ended up leaving Inter because he couldn't persuade his wife to stay in Italy. Thank god they were tougher then today's footballers
 
Smores said:
Yeah that relationship really isn't the best example, they had a lot of falling outs and he didn't ask by any account he told him.

If you really think Fergie would have taken any refusal from Beckham you're living on another planet
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No you are to think Fergie just rules with an iron fist and no one questioned him. I don’t care how the relationship ended at the end of the day he was a player who performed ‘well’ for him and he gave him an option. If you actually bothered to find out about what happened it was actually Beckham who wanted the 7 shirt rather than the 10 been taken away from him.
 
el3mel said:
SAF wouldn't have bought half of this squad and that includes several fan favorite like Pogba and Martial as well.
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He brought Gabriel Obertan I’m quite sure he would have liked Martial.
 
He's 69, mate.
 
Mainoldo said:
He brought Gabriel Obertan I’m quite sure he would have liked Martial.
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A guy that doesnt press or track his man. If Fergie had issues with Nani, he would have definately had problems with Martial, thats even before talking about his attitude.
 
Mainoldo said:
No you are to think Fergie just rules with an iron fist and no one questioned him. I don’t care how the relationship ended at the end of the day he was a player who performed ‘well’ for him and he gave him an option. If you actually bothered to find out about what happened it was actually Beckham who wanted the 7 shirt rather than the 10 been taken away from him.
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Beckham said: “I went from wearing the No.10 shirt and then the manager calling me in and saying we’ve just signed Teddy Sheringham and he wants No.10.

“And I was like ‘Oh really, do I have to give it up?’ There wasn’t really a conversation to be honest! So obviously I didn’t argue"

Keane has also said publically a number of times has said he was offered 7 first and that Sir Alex didn't want to give it to Beckham.

If you actually bothered etc....Fergies word was absolute he fell out with Beckham several times not just towards the end. He demanded proffesionalsm and Beckham pushed that with swanning off and hairdos that he made him shave off. He tolerated a lot of things but never poor attitude.

Just because he knew how also be a fatherly figure to his players does not mean he didn't rule with an iron fist or fall out with his players too.
 
Its true. Ferguson could do it because he had such a reputation that players wanted to play for him regardless. You want to play for the best manager and best run club in world football? You just have to take it.

Players want to play for Mourinho but the results and the atmosphere in the club is not strong enough anymore. You feel he is vulnerable and you can talk back a bit, and we seem to be recruiting named stars without considering their mental fit with the club.
 
Managers will be replaced by robots. It's already happened in robot football.
 
SteveJ said:
What is it with every bleedin' older generation since the dinos f*cked off thinking that the next generation is soft? Too thick to motivate youngsters without the implicit threat of violence. Twats.
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And when you clatter them, they cry about the lack of respect toward elders.
 
Giggs said Fergie never had a go at Nani but always had a go at Rooney. Managers have to know what works.
We are not the only club in existence. Every manager has to deal.
 
Smores said:
Beckham said: “I went from wearing the No.10 shirt and then the manager calling me in and saying we’ve just signed Teddy Sheringham and he wants No.10.

“And I was like ‘Oh really, do I have to give it up?’ There wasn’t really a conversation to be honest! So obviously I didn’t argue"

Keane has also said publically a number of times has said he was offered 7 first and that Sir Alex didn't want to give it to Beckham.

If you actually bothered etc....Fergies word was absolute he fell out with Beckham several times not just towards the end. He demanded proffesionalsm and Beckham pushed that with swanning off and hairdos that he made him shave off. He tolerated a lot of things but never poor attitude.

Just because he knew how also be a fatherly figure to his players does not mean he didn't rule with an iron fist or fall out with his players too.
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Oh I know he falls out with players but there’s falling out and doing what’s best for the team. Roy Keane was drinking and fighting every other week but was the first name on the team sheet. You have to know how to treat them with what works for the team.
 
Adisa said:
Giggs said Fergie never had a go at Nani but always had a go at Rooney. Managers have to know what works.
We are not the only club in existence. Every manager has to deal.
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I think he had a go at nani once, and it rattled him. So he knew never to do it again
 
Smores said:
We used to have seniors in the team that broke the young ones egos down a little and kept them under control. Basically bullying in a right of passage type way. We don't have anyone to dish it out now do we?

Now players come in with their brand and anything that damages that they take slight at. Fergie and the old class would have torn Martial a new one for sulking about the loss of his number, they'd have put the arm around him again only when he stopped behaving like a spoilt kid.
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The senior players in the squad are an important buffer for the manager. You need the likes of Scholes, Ferdinand, Keane, and Giggs taking the piss out of sillyness in the dressing room, you need them demanding high standards in training, and even occasionally kicking lumps out of showboaters like they did with Ronaldo. The manager sets the culture, but the senior players have to be the ones enforcing it or you end up with horrible results.
 
Looks like everyone missed the bloody obvious. It's not about being soft or something to do with man management, it's about the culture at the club, and that is there is no accountability structure for the players.

The players at our club can be unprofessional and face no consequences. LVG faced the exact same problem yet he did very little criticising in public by name. That is because only idiots would mouth off in the media at the first hurdle, managers only criticise specific players in public when criticising in private hasn't worked.

We are turning into a club where players go for a big paycheck, they then under perform and get the manager sacked and see out their contract or get sold. There is no vetting process other than social media engagement and balance sheets, that's what happens when an investment bankers runs your club.
 
Eyepopper said:
So, of our current crop, which players do you think could take the full on hair drier and respond positively without melting?
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Ander, Matic, Young, Valencia, Rom, Jones, Rojo, Baily maybe, Scott and I think Sanchez. Lingard seems immature but I think he could take it too. But this is just outside looking at in. Can't judge having not hangout with these guys
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Plato-
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Parklife!
 
Imagine some CEO publicly complaining that he can't lead his business because he can't get away with bullying his subordinates.
The daft things Football pundits and ex-players can still blurt out in the media is ridiculous.

Guess what: to lead people you need soft skills.
 
I think this is just more examples of how mourninho hasn’t moved with the times. I do think they are sensitive little snowflakes, but he should know that and adjust, or create an environment that doesn’t allow that.

I think it’s an easy argument, with some merits, but really, if this is the argument and you’re not going to change - you’ve got to leave.

I say this as a manager of millenials in my company. I fecking hate their attitude, but you have to work with what you have and create an environment that they want to work in and buy in to.
 
This reminds me of an interview Wayne did talking about how Fergie handles this ‘problem’. This idea of players being too fragile is just an excuse by managers that have ultimately poor man management.
 
Loved him as a player but he don't arf talk crap at times, the guy is stuck in a time-warp....

The only reason players could cope with criticism back in his day is because most of 'em were still pissed from the night before and didn't realise, or care that they were getting a tongue lashing
 
Lash said:
I think this is just more examples of how mourninho hasn’t moved with the times. I do think they are sensitive little snowflakes, but he should know that and adjust, or create an environment that doesn’t allow that.

I think it’s an easy argument, with some merits, but really, if this is the argument and you’re not going to change - you’ve got to leave.

I say this as a manager of millenials in my company. I fecking hate their attitude, but you have to work with what you have and create an environment that they want to work in and buy in to.
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How old are you?
 
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