Mourinho: 'I think that some care more than others'

Skills said:
According to him Kevin De Bruyne didn't train hard enough. It's why he never got a chance - wonder why that complaint has never been raised in the 5 years since De Bruyne left Mourinho.
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De Bruyne even asked for public training sessions to disprove the claim.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
Legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results than others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Imagine being a player stepping on the pitch with a United shirt on and not caring about the result. That is quite a toxic mindset to have to say the least (regardless of the player management of the manager).


Feel free to have a go... or not..

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2:20-03:00, could these be the players that care 'more' then others? I just found it interesting the way Mourinho stood with them (Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Fellaini and Shaw).
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Why would we believe him, he comes up with this same shit every time he fecks up and the fans call for his head, he blame the players.
 
He's an outdated relic of a manger. I fully support the player's giving up and laughing in his face when he has them playing park y thebus hoof ball.
Player's watching Liverpool and City attacking with well planned instructions, having to double and triple up as right backs and centre backs when it's their turn. It's tragically laughable.

Jose is a coward of a boring football dinosaur and is clueless to a game today thats passed him by.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
The club pays their salary. So basically they have no respect for the club? I want Mourinho gone as much as the next, but if what you say is true, then its disgraceful behaviour from these, so called, professionals and they wont change whoever the manager is.
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That’s a fair leap.

It also has been a gradual decline as well. Which is symptomatic of Mourinhos recent reigns. But I mean believe whatever you want obviously.
 
All of them look like they care about the same, cause we see the same shit no matter which team and players are put out. I can't differenciate between the ones who care and the ones who don't because they all look the same.

Just more stupid excuses to push responsibility, and accept no blame by the cnut.
 
Any player downing tools or underperforming, is a disgrace. They are paid by the club and ultimately the fans, in terms of tickets, merchandise and TV subscriptions.
They are paid amounts that most normal people can only dream about. At the end of the day, the club is their employer, not the manager. Essentially, the manager delegates what they are to provide to the team.
I really wish that players wages could be mostly performance related, as a standard in the game. There are too many cases of player power and not putting in the effort that their wage demands.
The attitude of the typical modern player makes me sick.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Just like every other cocking thread in the United forum the replies will belong in three categories.

a) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. No wonder Mourinho wants to sign better players. Woodward is such a cock for not letting him.
b) I blame Mourinho. It's the managers job to inspire the players so it's on him if they're not all pulling in the same direction.
c) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. Mourinho is such a cock for signing them. And don't me started on that useless ham-faced wanker, Woodward...
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Spot on.
 
acnumber9 said:
He has done it. How many times has he dropped Martial for one?
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Doesn't really work if you drop them for a worse player when they're in form and/ or you drop AND publicly chastise them.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
Any player downing tools or underperforming, is a disgrace. They are paid by the club and ultimately the fans, in terms of tickets, merchandise and TV subscriptions.
They are paid amounts that most normal people can only dream about. At the end of the day, the club is their employer, not the manager. Essentially, the manager delegates what they are to provide to the team.
I really wish that players wages could be mostly performance related, as a standard in the game. There are too many cases of player power and not putting in the effort that their wage demands.
The attitude of the typical modern player makes me sick.
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What about the manager then? Did Mourinho give a shit about winning and the fans when he put that team out on Saturday?
 
Minimalist said:
That’s a fair leap.

It also has been a gradual decline as well. Which is symptomatic of Mourinhos recent reigns. But I mean believe whatever you want obviously.
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Whats a fair leap?

If we suffer from similar problems in the future, these players will act the same way. I agree in that Mourinho doesnt help himself and needs to shut his mouth but when you're wearing that shirt and being paid an incredible salary, you should fecking give it your all.
 
Jazz said:
Things are going wrong and he hasn't once taken responsibility. What more proof do you want? "Character assassination?" Are you serious?
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Yes, very serious. It's wrong to muck up someones name because you don't like them. I think it's too easy for some of us to be sitting here without the full story and passing out judgement on these men.

If you don't like him and want him gone...then that's fine, that's your right. It's not right to be stating an opinion as facts.

P.S. Yes, I might be taking this all too seriously but I think we should practice more responsible speech here even if we are anonymous.
 
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Keeps It tidy said:
No we have not and the players Mourinho is having the biggest problems with right now are players that were signed during his tenure.
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De Gea, Valencia, Young, Darmian, Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, Blind (just gone), Lingard, Rashford, Martial ... seems like a pretty strong number of players that?

Do you really think he likes the fact he has to play Smalling & Jones, or fecking Herrera or Mata?!
 
Another presser packed full of positivity. Well done, Jose.

Players that play in a system (that’s kind, given what we see week in, week out) that doesn’t work give the impression that they’re not trying. See Moyes. See Van Gaal. Player work rate is an easy cop out and barely tangible.

Our players are so hopelessly uncoached and lacking in confidence that it appears they don’t care. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Sadly for them, it isn’t even as if they can sprint around and press like mad men to counter this accusation. This is because the manager’s idea of playing West Ham is to (attempt to) actively cede possession and space, defend mercilessly and play Fellaini, Matic and McTominay in the centre of the pitch. Wonderful.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Except the players who he says don't care, might not care what he says anyway.
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That is quite true.
Unfortunately, Manchester United seems to be turning into a soap opera and despite my support for Jose this whole debacle needs to stop.

We are becoming a laughing stock rather than what should be one of the best football teams in the world.

Someone in authority (Ed Woodward) needs to impose a media blackout and instruct manager and players to keep their stupid mouths shut and concentrate on what they are paid to do and that is TO WIN FOOTBALL MATCHES.
Full stop.
 
Skills said:
What about the manager then? Did Mourinho give a shit about winning and the fans when he put that team out on Saturday?
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This is a thread about players, not the manager. There’s enough threads slagging off Jose. I totally agree that his team selection and tactics were terrible on Saturday. But the players still need to put an honest performance in to earn their wage.
I’ve had enough of Mourinho as much as anyone, after hoping for so long that he could turn it around. But the players DO need to be called out.
 
Jazz said:
He won't be happy though.... unlike the other times, there are no more big clubs waiting to snatch him up. That will hit his ego and no amount of money will help.
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He will be at PSG or back at Inter within a year.
 
He's one of the worst man managers in the world. Call them out in private you fecking moron. How many player revolts has this guy been at the helm for? He just doesn't learn does he.
 
Skills said:
You think the likes of Neymar will put up with his shit?

Inter is about his level of club.
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By then Neymar will be in Madrid.
 
abdo99 said:
The players won't give 100% if they don't believe in what the manager is training them to do. When I look at other teams I see them well organized, cohesive and pulling in the same direction. We chop and change our line up and never give confidence for players to express themselves. It's normal if some players try less in such an environment.
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That's the mentality of weak players. Hungry players, play hard whenever they get to set foot on the field, because they know this might be their chance to shine, to play well and win the managers trust and confidence. If the mentality is "why bother", then get rid of them. These are the kind of players who roll over and die when the going gets tough.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
There was at least 8 players at Real Madrid alone.
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Only ones who’ve come out against him are Casillas, Pepe and Ramos. The others have spoken fondly of him since (Ronaldo, Ozil, Alonso, Benzema, Higuian).

It’s like people have never fallen out with their manager or sports coach. It happens. Every fecking day. Difference is you don’t have 24/7 news because noone gives a shit about us normal people or creating negativity to sell stories.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Just like every other cocking thread in the United forum the replies will belong in three categories.

a) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. No wonder Mourinho wants to sign better players. Woodward is such a cock for not letting him.
b) I blame Mourinho. It's the managers job to inspire the players so it's on him if they're not all pulling in the same direction.
c) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. Mourinho is such a cock for signing them. And don't me started on that useless ham-faced wanker, Woodward...
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Combination of all three? Just to be different I'll blame Woodward!
 
Ace of Spades said:
All of them look like they care about the same, cause we see the same shit no matter which team and players are put out. I can't differenciate between the ones who care and the ones who don't because they all look the same.

Just more stupid excuses to push responsibility, and accept no blame by the cnut.
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Exactly right. In his mind he's got favorites but even they aren't doing anything of note. Valencia, Young, Matic, Lukaku... he took off martial and Pogba to prove a point they weren't helping defensively but we still conceded anyway.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
PSG would have no interest in him. The owners were embarrassed by the Football they played under Ancelotti imagine how they would react to Mourinho.
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They wouldn’t care if they thought he could win them CL which nobody else seems to be able to.
 
Kag said:
Another presser packed full of positivity. Well done, Jose.

Players that play in a system (that’s kind, given what we see week in, week out) that doesn’t work give the impression that they’re not trying. See Moyes. See Van Gaal. Player work rate is an easy cop out and barely tangible.

Our players are so hopelessly uncoached and lacking in confidence that it appears they don’t care. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Sadly for them, it isn’t even as if they can sprint around and press like mad men to counter this accusation. This is because the manager’s idea of playing West Ham is to (attempt to) actively cede possession and space, defend mercilessly and play Fellaini, Matic and McTominay in the centre of the pitch. Wonderful.
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Spot on. I mean unless you press as a unit, then it does not work and leaves even bigger gaps in between players while playing.

What exactly does he want from the players when he wants them to be compact and defend deep and keep their shape, but then moans that they do not care because they follow according to plan ??
 
Skills said:
You think the likes of Neymar will put up with his shit?

Inter is about his level of club.
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I think Neymar will be gone within a year and Mbappe and Cavani will both do fine with Jose.

He will be able to cruise the league to feed his ego and will focus on CL.
 
Why is it you guys read and talk about all this negativity each and every day? Do you feel like it's therapeutic? Or is it some kind of honourable duty?

Reliving moments like Sunday over and over again is the last thing I'd want to do.
 
I honestly cant stand Mourinho, but I do feel he has a point, because some of your players hardly bother running at times.
That has to affect the playergroup just as much as Mourinhos bad mood does.
 
Mou needs to reads the basic management books.

When is all said and done, that cohesive team motivation starts with the manager and is fuelled by a shared desire, and by a belief in a shared vision. Confidence comes from having that motivation alongside others - then you care. Then it means something. Then it feels orgasmic when you win, and it hurts quite painfully when you don't.

Individuals will always look out for themselves one way or another. Sulking, being apathetic, lashing out, appearing petty, it's all self preservation because the team cohesiveness does not exist.
 
ivaldo said:
If you weren't doing what your manager asked you to do within the confines of your job, whether you beleive it or not, then you wouldn't have a job.

So many are looking at this as either or. There's a whole number of party's at fault here.
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This is not true for all professions. If you are making yoghurt cups, then yeah maybe. But fields where creativity is required, and the supply of qualified personnel is low , to which I include football , are different. It is perfectly fine to question your superior's orders if you deem them illogical or too demanding for the time schedule etc. This is not the military where it's either do as told or get court martialed. Although a lot of people think football is like that. Maybe it used to be, but those days are long gone.
 
Ciedre said:
I honestly cant stand Mourinho, but I do feel he has a point, because some of your players hardly bother running at times.
That has to affect the playergroup just as much as Mourinhos bad mood does.
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we had a very low running stat last year. People put it down to tactics and standing off teams
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Coaching them how to attack helps as well, so they don't look clueless when they actually do try to attack. Football is not all about defending, scoring goals help as well.
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Exactly, that’s why I just can’t understand people defending Mourinho. They seem to be grasping onto club identity in that we’ve historically put faith into our managers, but that doesn’t seem to be the fecking case anymore. I personally don’t care, we need to find the right manager before we stick by them and Mourinho clearly isn’t the one. He’s toxic.

We could have better executives but they’re hardly the issue here. We’ve spent hundreds of millions since Ed came. We just need to get the right manager in, only then will things be on the up.
 
And here ladies and gentlemen our manager divide the players and the dressing room in public. Shut the feck up Jose.
 
Kag said:
Another presser packed full of positivity. Well done, Jose.

Players that play in a system (that’s kind, given what we see week in, week out) that doesn’t work give the impression that they’re not trying. See Moyes. See Van Gaal. Player work rate is an easy cop out and barely tangible.

Our players are so hopelessly uncoached and lacking in confidence that it appears they don’t care. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Sadly for them, it isn’t even as if they can sprint around and press like mad men to counter this accusation. This is because the manager’s idea of playing West Ham is to (attempt to) actively cede possession and space, defend mercilessly and play Fellaini, Matic and McTominay in the centre of the pitch. Wonderful.
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Spot on. That pressing part, really well said. Players can be much worse but play with their full powers and mind if you coach them right, if you stopped for fecking once attacking them in public if you are brave enough to motive to attack to press. But all we see is exactly the opposite.
 
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