Mourinho: 'I think that some care more than others'

The Firestarter said:
This is not true for all professions. If you are making yoghurt cups, then yeah maybe. But fields where creativity is required, and the supply of qualified personnel is low , to which I include football , are different. It is perfectly fine to question your superior's orders if you deem them illogical or too demanding for the time schedule etc. This is not the military where it's either do as told or get court martialed. Although a lot of people think football is like that. Maybe it used to be, but those days are long gone.
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We aren't discussing the act of questioning your superiors orders, it's flatly refusing to follow them that's up for discussion.

Those teams vying for the premier league follow the direction of their manager. When has a team ever succeeded when they've openly ignored the instruction of their manager? Now by no means am I saying we would be challenging for the title if the players fell in line, but defending the actions of the players who have downed tools isn't acceptable.
 
He's not wrong. I get the feeling most of the players aren't really arsed. I'm like a broken record saying that their attitude is consistently terrible against team's of a lesser stature. So many issues in the team right now. Very disheartening.
 
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays a sport doesn’t want to win and would go out and intentionally down tools. No one likes losing. What I do believe which has probably happened is that players are bored, fed up and not inspired by him or his antics and just can’t perform to the level they would if they were happy and buoyant.

He’s probably sapped the energy right out of them and this is now the Jose spin, it’s not his doing, players have just stopped caring. Sure we’ve all had moments of boredom, depression whatever and you just can’t seem to get going, do feel like if he goes that group of players will come together, they might not suddenly turn in to world beaters but they can’t be much worse than that performance against West Ham where we just looked clueless.
 
LennonNL said:
Exactly, that’s why I just can’t understand people defending Mourinho. They seem to be grasping onto club identity in that we’ve historically put faith into our managers, but that doesn’t seem to be the fecking case anymore. I personally don’t care, we need to find the right manager before we stick by them and Mourinho clearly isn’t the one. He’s toxic.

We could have better executives but they’re hardly the issue here. We’ve spent hundreds of millions since Ed came. We just need to get the right manager in, only then will things be on the up.
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The worry is these executives will be the ones choosing a new manager and their record is not great up to now. To me they should be getting a really good DOF in first, let him advise them on the manager and go from there . Knowing them they won't. It will be Zidane, another sexy name and then expect miracles.
 
ivaldo said:
We aren't discussing the act of questioning your superiors orders, it's flatly refusing to follow them that's up for discussion.

Those teams vying for the premier league follow the direction of their manager. When has a team ever succeeded when they've openly ignored the instruction of their manager? Now by no means am I saying we would be challenging for the title if the players fell in line, but defending the actions of the players who have downed tools isn't acceptable.
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It appears that the same thing happened in Chelsea. Is he that unlucky that he comes to manage only teams full of prima donnas , or something in his methods makes the atmosphere so toxic, nobody wants to play under him?
 
Brwned said:
Why is it you guys read and talk about all this negativity each and every day? Do you feel like it's therapeutic? Or is it some kind of honourable duty?

Reliving moments like Sunday over and over again is the last thing I'd want to do.
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Unfortunately we have a game to worry about which is tomorrow and our league position oh well you know, so if there is any thing positive with the team right now to discuss please tell me because for sorry everything around that circus nowadays is pathetic. And really don't know how to not follow the game or team news I just cant. Waiting for the next game hoping for better but deep inside the state is really sad about the club now.
 
Sarni said:
They wouldn’t care if they thought he could win them CL which nobody else seems to be able to.
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They care and would care, Ancelotti was shocked when one day El Khelaifi scolded him after a win because he thought that it was a poor performance. They let it known that they are not interested and both sides would lose their mind with each others, it would be interesting to see which side throw the other under the bus first.
 
I'm shocked so many fans are turning against the players in this situation.
The team has been without any attacking organization, the tactics are negative. Imagine playing last years Chelsea, and the set up is one midfielder becomes a false right back to nullify an opponent. Everything seems set up to stop the other side, the team has no attacking identidy.
The system varies between games, the selection varies between games.
On top of that when the going gets tough the manager is very willing to criticise certain players.

All of the above hurts the creative players in our team. There is nothing that's helping them perform under these circumstances, and their reputation is under severe threat.
I understand if they've had enough. The football on show from this manager is awful.
 
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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It's clearly systemic, the gap is too big.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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Wow. That’s a damning statistic.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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5 at the back. Three 6'3s in front of them. It really could be Mourinho's tactics.
 
A bit rich coming from a man who plays central midfielders at CB with 4 fit CBs to choose from. If he cared about the results he wouldn't sabotage them trying to make a petty point to the board.
 
stu_1992 said:
He's not wrong. I get the feeling most of the players aren't really arsed. I'm like a broken record saying that their attitude is consistently terrible against team's of a lesser stature. So many issues in the team right now. Very disheartening.
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Think he mentioned something about that with Pogba playing in the world cup where every game you need to be focused where as the league you will play strong and weak teams and you must keep focused or to that effect.
 
Kostur said:
Sprint is measured at 25.2 kph and above, it's not really that hard to achieve.
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He picked arguably the most immobile team you could think of. This statistic is damning on his tactics and the kind of players he prefers.
 
The Firestarter said:
It appears that the same thing happened in Chelsea. Is he that unlucky that he comes to manage only teams full of prima donnas , or something in his methods makes the atmosphere so toxic, nobody wants to play under him?
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Yet again, you are trodding the familar path of looking to blame one party. At no point did I insinuate Jose wasn't at fault.
 
ivaldo said:
Yet again, you are trodding the familar path of looking to blame one party. At no point did I insinuate Jose wasn't at fault.
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No, I am not putting this entirely on him . But the fact is, he is the common denominator from these two cases.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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Well that's probably down to them that they cant be arsed as a result of not agreeing or sick of the managers tactics.
 
drdoityourself said:
He picked arguably the most immobile team you could think of. This statistic is damning on his tactics and the kind of players he prefers.
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The most immobile team because we've had Fellaini, McTominay and Matić in? Arguably you could've started Fred ahead of McTominay and that's probably that, maybe Rashford starting (who was subbed in later anyway) ahead of Fellaini too, to make it more mobile. That statistic is damning on our players who were supposed to be chasing the game. This word sounds hilarious paired with the statistic cited above.
 
The Firestarter said:
No, I am not putting this entirely on him . But the fact is, he is the common denominator from these two cases.
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Which was my point in the first place...

And yet he's one of the most successful managers in the history of the game. Sometimes it works for him, sometimes it doesn't. What we can be sure of is that when the players stop trying, it fails 100% of the time.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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Jesus, that's fecking scandalous.
 
Kostur said:
Systemic to likes of Wolves too? I can understand the Liverpool one, but even fecking Wolves? Not buying it.
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Tactically it's fairly easy to explain, our wingbacks were fullbacks, we played with a back five, they were wary to run forward which isn't the first time that we see it, the CBs barely left the zone between the 35m and our goals and the attackers were stuck upfront and never really came back in our own half. The team was effectively cut in three and the ball was thrown from one block to the other without any sort of reaction from the manager, the entire setup seemed built for that outcome. Since we don't move together attackers, midfielders and defenders don't have to sprint up and down.

Something that I find interesting is that normally fullbacks are big providers of runs and Kms but Young only had 6 sprints against 13 for Shaw, we know that Young is a very disciplined and driven player, if you ask him to run up and down he will do it. Last year we were last in distances covered and this year we are on pace to be last too.
 
Kostur said:
Anybody seen the number of sprints this weekend? We're bottom with 58, Wolves are at 19 with 77, Liverpool top with 150.

As I've said in numerous threads, tactics and all, but our players are a bunch of lazy fecks. It's a disagraceful statistic and no amount of 'it's Mourinho's tactics fault' can justify this bullshit to me, especially given that we were chasing the score.
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You know who we need? David Moyes! West Ham held that record until he took over but he got them doing the basics well again.
 
The sooner he's gone the better. I'm sick of his moaning and what's worse the results aren't there to back him up. Keep quiet and work with the players to turn it around or go.
 
I’m sure most will start caring once he’s fecked off to be fair
 
Could the players play better? Yes.
Should they put in more effort? Yes.
Are they to blame for results on the pitch? Partly.
Are they to blame for thier poor attitudes. Mostly.

Has Mourinho failed to employ tactics successfully. Yes.
Has he failed to motivate his team? Yes.
Has he failed in asserting himself as a leader? Yes.
Is he to blame for results? Partly.
Is he to blame for the poor attitude of players? Partly.

There is no innocent party, but the manager is meant to fix this sort of stuff, not let a rebellion take place and then try to quell it.

He needs to go. The next man in should have the right to cull anyone he sees fit.
 
drdoityourself said:
I'm shocked so many fans are turning against the players in this situation.
The team has been without any attacking organization, the tactics are negative. Imagine playing last years Chelsea, and the set up is one midfielder becomes a false right back to nullify an opponent. Everything seems set up to stop the other side, the team has no attacking identidy.
The system varies between games, the selection varies between games.
On top of that when the going gets tough the manager is very willing to criticise certain players.

All of the above hurts the creative players in our team. There is nothing that's helping them perform under these circumstances, and their reputation is under severe threat.
I understand if they've had enough. The football on show from this manager is awful.
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Pogba[one of our creatives] just played in the most boring team to win the world cup, if being criticized really hurts you, then that says more about you than the person dishing it out, if there is a grain of truth in what the person says, you are the one who decides how you respond to that criticism, as Luke Shaw just done calling out his team mates, as for the other creative players, i suppose you mean Martial and Rashford, that's more down to being played as wide forwards, whereas they should be played as strikers, but hey if a manager ask for a wide player, and is declined, what are his options to persist with the status quo or switch to 3-5-2.

As for Sanchez, the pace that the team plays hinders his game, although it does not help that he looses the ball alot.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It was the players who got rid of him at Chelsea but they're a plastic club run by an oligarch who is actually in charge.

I think we'll wait until the end of the season. I can't see a change before then
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I'm sure as hell overjoyed our oligarch chose Hazard, Cesc and Costa over him.
 
Castia said:
Well Martial has barely played all season, I can't see how he's to blame.
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Whenever he's played under Mourinho he's been extremely hot/cold and his attitude is seriously poor. Why are we the only team whereby our players, under 2 different managers, have seemed bigger than running?
 
Jose still staying at the Lowry. Shows his commitment to the job that he couldn't even settle in the area Just imagine if a player was doing the same after 2+ years...
 
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