Mourinho: 'I think that some care more than others'

DomesticTadpole said:
So he took the blame five years ago. There should be a lot more times than that.
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So that’s a yes to the hyperbole then? Remember you said ‘never ever’, which was disproved by a quick google search. I’m sure with a little more interest than just tapping his name in to google will paint a better picture.
 
It's not so much that some care and some don't, it's really some are still happy to play for murinho and some have downed tools
 
Minimalist said:
I see a team that has feck all confidence in themselves. And a team that clearly doesn’t care about what their manager wants them to do.

That’s Mourinhos problem. He’s supposed to get them on side. But he’s a complete cock - so understandably he can’t.
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So it's the players then. Don't like the manager because he calls them out when they consistently play like shit. Cry me a fecking river.
 
Water Melon said:
All of those 3 managers were inept. They bought players and could not manage them properly. I doubt that Woody is the problem. Very likely that he stays, Mou is fired and a new manager comes in. I am sure that after two years the new manager will have done better than Mou, LvG and Moyes. Also I am sure that the atmosphere within the club will be much better.
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Well, if you’re sure, you’re sure. I’m not. I don’t believe that three managers in a row can have things go so wrong and there’s no other influence going on. All I know is that people were sure lvg would make us better after moyes, and that Jose would make us better after lvg. Yet, the grass isn’t any greener. So why will zidane or whoever make that grass green this time? Why are the players or higher management completely blameless? Why aren’t we looking at anything other than the clubs figurehead?
 
They should play for the people that pay their wages the fans and the club, can't stop playing because they don't like the manager.
 
Enigma_87 said:
So many average players needs to be shown the door. Regardless of who is the manager next season.
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Easier said than done
How many teams will be queuing up to buy a bunch of average players who clearly also have an attitude problem
 
When people care and want to play football that suits the club, he bins them and strip them of their captaincy.
 
I think it is genuinely embarrassing how many people are blindly going into bat for this playing group. It is sad to see them being defended like this and they will continue to take the piss out of you and your support as long as you're happy to absolve them of all blame and they know it.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
Oh wait in deed. You do know theres more than a few fans that travel to watch this shit. I dont care how shit the manager is, or how much they dont like him. They owe the fans their best effort. Anything less is an utter disgrace.
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I suppose. At the same time, the manager is responsible for his team and the fans having to endure such pathetic displays after enormous spending is also nothing less than an utter disgrace from the manager.

You may not care how terrible the manager is but all that does ignore the more relevant and influential source of the problem.
 
Even if the comments are true, it's so stupid to make. They do absolutely nothing to improve the situation. If anything, they make matters worse.
 
I have to laugh at all those blaming the players! We are playing shite football, simple as that, the players got bored, they DO NOT believe in the manager so how the hell do you expect them to perform!! The manager calls out and blames players live on media, and people expect that these players will fight got the manager, LOL ! It is clear Jose lost the dressing room and the longer he stays the more games we will lost and we can kiss goodbye to top 4.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
Legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results than others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Imagine being a player stepping on the pitch with a United shirt on and not caring about the result. That is quite a toxic mindset to have to say the least (regardless of the player management of the manager).


Feel free to have a go... or not..



2:20-03:00, could these be the players that care 'more' then others? I just found it interesting the way Mourinho stood with them (Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Fellaini and Shaw).
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If indeed that is the case with the players "That some care more than others" which may or may not be true, then that truly hurts. No-one should care more than others. There should only be one level of caring and that should be 100% and that is not just from the players but anybody who represents the club in any capacity. Anybody who plays for the club should feel privileged and it should be an honour to put on that shirt.

If some players do not get on with the manager, then that is their issue, (which should be settled in-house and not in the media), but that should not affect how much they care for the club and results on the pitch. They should have the common sense to realise the amount of potential hurt it can do for the club. The players and the manager should be pulling in the same direction for our beloved club. It hurts me to see things like this come out in the media, as I think that it has enough a negative impact on the club and then it lets the haters of the club have more ammunition to use against us.

I think that when Jose says some things in the press, he is trying to use it as a way of getting to the players and getting them to respond positively to the comments. It seems that he can't see that coming out with things in the press is not having the desired impact. It seems to be doing exactly the opposite and having a negative impact which is not good for the club. One would think that Jose has enough experience and intellect to use words more wisely when he is speaking to the press.

Speaking to the media is a double edged sword. If Jose feels justified talking about the players in the media, the players may also feel justified about speaking in the media themselves. Although I personally feel that neither should happen for the sake of our club.
 
Adisa said:
Even if the comments are true, it's so stupid to make. They do absolutely nothing to improve the situation. If anything, they make matters worse.
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True or not, he is not in position to say a word, yea putting McT as CB clearly showed how much he cared/s.
 
singhters said:
They should play for the people that pay their wages the fans and the club, can't stop playing because they don't like the manager.
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Maybe he should do his job and manage them right seeing as he also gets paid by us.
 
tonnas said:
I have to laugh at all those blaming the players! We are playing shite football, simple as that, the players got bored, they DO NOT believe in the manager so how the hell do you expect them to perform!! The manager calls out and blames players live on media, and people expect that these players will fight got the manager, LOL ! It is clear Jose lost the dressing room and the longer he stays the more games we will lost and we can kiss goodbye to top 4.
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I think people think our players are operated by batteries. We switch them on and they just go. It’s not like you know.... this happens with every single Jose team except Porto and Inter.
 
The fact that so many are calling out the manager for not motivating some of our players shows how poor some of these players are. These players who require the manager to get them motivated to play for Manchester United, wearing a manchester united shirt, playing at old trafford, making that huge weekly paycheck, are not good enough to play for us! These players are obviously only playing for themselves...
 
I just don't buy it! These guys are professionals why should they not care about results? Fecking ridiculous and it's obvious he's saying that to take pressure of himself and draw attention to the mentality of the players instead. This guy never ceases to amaze.
 
Mainoldo said:
I think people think our players are operated by batteries. We switch them on and they just go. It’s not like you know.... this happens with every single Jose team except Porto and Inter.
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So just because their boss isn’t seemingly doing his job they should also abdicate all responsibilities? I dont know about you but this isn’t how I would/have reacted in a similar situation at the workplace. Also, when the new manager comes in, he will definitely be vary of trusting these players given the way they are handling this. Word of bad attitude and previous performance always gets around, especially when its being played out in public.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
I hear what you are saying, but an often used phrase is that the club is bigger then everybody. From that perspective, shouldnt any player commit to the best of his ability whenever he steps on the pitch?
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In a perfect world, yes absolutely. But I think as humans it is natural to have some let off, whether on a pitch or sitting in an office, when you don't believe in the person that is supposed to be directing you or is your boss. If you think what you are being told to do is idiotic, most people won't perform the action to the best of their ability compared to if they believe what they are doing is right.

I don't think it's true that we have any players that "don't care" about the result when they step onto the pitch, because you don't get to the highest level in football without being a fierce competitor. However, I could absolutely see players being fed up with a manager screaming at them all week in training and during the match about not taking risks or being solid defensively, when the plan clearly isn't working. It's only natural to have some of that ill feeling creep into your play.
 
I think there are some unrealistic expectations of the players (and manager fwiw). You're never going to find a company where all the staff give 100% under all circumstances and are motivated almost entirely by their love for the company.
 
It's a results business... when the team loses, the manager takes the heat, and that trickles down because usually, no one person is to blame anyway. Nothing he says is good enough, blaming the ref is petty (even when legitimate), blaming the players is not taking responsibility (even when it's individual errors)... if he takes personal responsibility and absolves the players he'll get hammered... if he doesn't take that hammering lying down he's cracking up... whether he stands or sits during a match becomes a stick to beat him with. If he doesn't discipline a vice-Captain who challenges his tactics on social media he's lost control... if he does discipline him he's a monster, crushing the little petal's dream like that.

This is pretty standard for most managers...

The unfortunate part for Mourinho is that even when he was getting results, he was still being criticized.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I suppose. At the same time, the manager is responsible for his team and the fans having to endure such pathetic displays after enormous spending is also nothing less than an utter disgrace from the manager.

You may not care how terrible the manager is but all that does ignore the more relevant and influential source of the problem.
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I didn’t say I didn’t care about the managers performance, I’m just not sold on the idea that once again it is all down to the manager and getting rid of him will solve everything. It didn’t solve it with moyes, it didn’t solve it with lvg, and it won’t solve it with Mourinho.

Whether they like the man or not has nothing what so ever to do with the level of effort they bring. They can turn up for the fans, feck the managers it’s the match going fans that deserve the effort. Anything less is just pissing all over the people that travel to be entertained. Imagine some poor guy from the other side of the world making a long trip just to see his team play live and experience OT with match going faithful, and instead of seeing a team that gives a shit that he made that effort to watch them. They just sulk and feck about because the manager was mean to them. They can feck right off. Each and every one of them that downs tools just because they don’t like Jose. Ill take the worst player in the world that gives a feck vs the best player in the world who couldn’t care less all day long.
 
Funny, people talking about "the workplace". In a normal workplace Mou would never have been hired.. A manager who serially falls out with everyone else from the boss to his charges & even the woman from the medical room. The blame has to end up at the door of the Glazer vampires
 
Reddy Rederson said:
I didn’t say I didn’t care about the managers performance, I’m just not sold on the idea that once again it is all down to the manager and getting rid of him will solve everything. It didn’t solve it with moyes, it didn’t solve it with lvg, and it won’t solve it with Mourinho.

Whether they like the man or not has nothing what so ever to do with the level of effort they bring. They can turn up for the fans, feck the managers it’s the match going fans that deserve the effort. Anything less is just pissing all over the people that travel to be entertained. Imagine some poor guy from the other side of the world making a long trip just to see his team play live and experience OT with match going faithful, and instead of seeing a team that gives a shit that he made that effort to watch them. They just sulk and feck about because the manager was mean to them. They can feck right off. Each and every one of them that downs tools just because they don’t like Jose. Ill take the worst player in the world that gives a feck vs the best player in the world who couldn’t care less all day long.
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It didn't get solved under three managers because all three managers weren't good enough, and not the right choices.

As for the players, it's all well and good going on an emotional tirade in their general direction. And I'd certainly like the bad apples to leave but poor management can leave a good team in shambles. Chelsea could have chucked out 20 players after the horror show of 15/16 but they didn't and Conte won the league with those players. I'm not saying these players would win the league under a manager like Conte but the same logic applies.
 
He's right with that. Some fans don't want to think that a player playing for United is not as passionate for the club as they are. This is not exclusive to United though. Money as ruined the game.
 
Drifter said:
He's right with that. Some fans don't want to think that a player playing for United is not as passionate for the club as they are. This is not exclusive to United though. Money as ruined the game.
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The thing is, this is players all around football, not only the United players. Why then is it only an issue with players Mourinho coaches?
 
hn4manunited said:
The fact that so many are calling out the manager for not motivating some of our players shows how poor some of these players are. These players who require the manager to get them motivated to play for Manchester United, wearing a manchester united shirt, playing at old trafford, making that huge weekly paycheck, are not good enough to play for us! These players are obviously only playing for themselves...
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So much wrong with this post. You're basically undermining the role of the manager, ignoring the fact that not all players feel like the fans of the club and assume that the motivation of a pay-cheque to pay-cheque worker and a footballer are the same.

Times have changed. Mentality of today's generation is different. Additionally, footballers earn so much money that other factors apart from cash become the motivation. Remember Sir Alex had to change his man management approach from a strict to "an arm around the shoulder" type.
 
Drifter said:
He's right with that. Some fans don't want to think that a player playing for United is not as passionate for the club as they are. This is not exclusive to United though. Money as ruined the game.
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Honestly don't think that matters for a lot of people. Only the hardcore crowd (which by their nature are not the majority) might find it hurtful to think about.

Doesn't matter though - your point about money isn't really accurate in this context anyway. Hardly stopped City's bunch of 'mercenaries' breaking multiple records last season. United of old (under Ferguson) were hardly paying low wages to players either. It's how you manage them.
 
Abhinav said:
So just because their boss isn’t seemingly doing his job they should also abdicate all responsibilities? I dont know about you but this isn’t how I would/have reacted in a similar situation at the workplace. Also, when the new manager comes in, he will definitely be vary of trusting these players given the way they are handling this. Word of bad attitude and previous performance always gets around, especially when its being played out in public.
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Well I don’t know what you are witnessing on the pitch. But we looked slow and disinterested that wasn’t a Pogba and Martial issue, that was from the whole team. So excuse me if I fail to grasp how we through a first 11 under the bus when it was the manager that picked that team. If he wanted energy, don’t pick Matic, Fellaini in a two man sitting deep midfield and don’t set out to have your wing backs defending like 5 at the back. What does that have to do with players? Are they suppose to get in a group huddle before the game and say scrap what Jose just said, let’s attack these from the off.
 
It's a fair point. Pretty sure it's happening everywhere. You'll get to see some employees (players in this case) do so much more for the company (club) - volunteer overtimes, not making noise/complaints/probs, arrive work early, do more extra works than what's in their contract, keep themselves personally healthy and fit to show up at work consistently, etc etc. And then there are those who will just do their job and once done, go home, that's it, no need for extra mile. Good manager would drive them all to do their job better, easier with the former than the latter, but still a better job if the latter are supervised well.

Anyway, "Some care more than others."
Mourinho should put himself in the same equation.
Things he care:
  • my football is right and the best.
  • it's not defensive football!
  • you all should give me the respects I deserved.
  • not my fault we're losing.
  • i'm the manager.
  • my decisions and tactics is right.
  • respect SAF.
Things he don't care:
  • United value - attacking entertaining football. What is attacking?
  • player's input of ideas. Who the f are you? You're the player, I'm the manager.
  • Outside criticism. Doesn't matter if you've played for this club way before, your pundits comments mean nothing.
  • player's level of ease and confidence with the football they're playing. Sorry what?
  • player's feelings, when being thrown "shifted responsibilities" towards them.
  • form improvement by continual selection and from confidence of being selected. Mistake once and you're out! Gonna sub you out again and again, even if you're doing well, not in my eyes.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It didn't get solved under three managers because all three managers weren't good enough, and not the right choices.

As for the players, it's all well and good going on an emotional tirade in their general direction. And I'd certainly like the bad apples to leave but poor management can leave a good team in shambles. Chelsea could have chucked out 20 players after the horror show of 15/16 but they didn't and Conte won the league with those players. I'm not saying these players would win the league under a manager like Conte but the same logic applies.
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So we got three shit managers, but the same people choosing another manager is going to be different because?

That Chelsea team was an utter disgrace. That team just stopped playing. They ignored all responsibility to their fans and made it all about embarrassing Mourinho. An utter shower of cnuts, and I’m honestly stunned Chelsea fans weren’t bothered by it. At least they weren’t bothered enough to boo those players out the door.

If it looks like any player is playing shit on purpose, he should be booted from the club and booed by everyone until he leaves in disgrace. That includes Pogba. His shit stirring in the press both in person and through his agent means he’s still the bellend who sulked off from here in the first place.

If Jose is the problem, sure, bin him. But there’s no way it’s just him. And it’s incredibly short sighted to think that it is, or that sacking him is the answer to all our problems. But even if he was, knee jerking a replacement is just begging for more trouble. Take the time, find the right guy, find the right coaching staff, a dof etc etc etc.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
So we got three shit managers, but the same people choosing another manager is going to be different because?

That Chelsea team was an utter disgrace. That team just stopped playing. They ignored all responsibility to their fans and made it all about embarrassing Mourinho. An utter shower of cnuts, and I’m honestly stunned Chelsea fans weren’t bothered by it. At least they weren’t bothered enough to boo those players out the door.

If it looks like any player is playing shit on purpose, he should be booted from the club and booed by everyone until he leaves in disgrace. That includes Pogba. His shit stirring in the press both in person and through his agent means he’s still the bellend who sulked off from here in the first place.

If Jose is the problem, sure, bin him. But there’s no way it’s just him. And it’s incredibly short sighted to think that it is, or that sacking him is the answer to all our problems. But even if he was, knee jerking a replacement is just begging for more trouble. Take the time, find the right guy, find the right coaching staff, a dof etc etc etc.
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Oh dear...

The next one could just be better and in any case its difficult to imagine worse...

So according to you, workers who disagree with management should just shut up or feck off ?? No workers rights in football eh? & it wasn't just the players who hated him - medical staff and boss not keen either

The press are the ones doing the shit stirring or do you actually believe whet you read in the Daily Mail ???

When managers arrive at a club they don't generally arrive solo but with their own team of background staff - what you get generally is a package
 
Owngoalscorer said:
Oh dear...

The next one could just be better and in any case its difficult to imagine worse...

So according to you, workers who disagree with management should just shut up or feck off ?? No workers rights in football eh? & it wasn't just the players who hated him - medical staff and boss not keen either

The press are the ones doing the shit stirring or do you actually believe whet you read in the Daily Mail ???

When managers arrive at a club they don't generally arrive solo but with their own team of background staff - what you get generally is a package
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So you trust the same people that choose moyes, lvg and Mourinho to pick a good manager? Oh dear indeed.

So when you’re at work and don’t like your boss, you just stop working? Where do you work?

So when it’s something you agree with, it’s true. When you don’t, it’s just the daily mail? Cool. Unless you have you’re own magical ‘sources’ that know all and tell all? I’m sure I’m just being silly, but I was under the impression it’s all bullshit. You’re opinion on Jose doesn’t mean anything more than mine does. None of it is true, and all of it is true, and it’s somewhere in between. You believe none of it or all of it, you don’t get to choose what fits your bias and ignore everything else. And you don’t get to point the finger and Jose, and ignore your superstar players with dipship hair cuts.

I can’t believe so many people don’t give a feck about match going fans. A lot people need to stop treating this likes a fecking soap opera.
 
Mourinho is a master of manipulation. He's trying to get the fans back on his side by sparking the "always back the manager" sentiment.
 
Who isn’t trying tonight?

I can see lots of huffing and puffing. I can’t see any movement or sign of coaching.
 
Kag said:
Who isn’t trying tonight?

I can see lots of huffing and puffing. I can’t see any movement or sign of coaching.
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Everyone seems to be trying.

The running distances of Valencia and Sanchez are more than Guedes and Gaya down the same flank - it just shows that our players are trying but we are getting destroyed down that side because we aren't coached or tactically aware.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
Everyone seems to be trying.

The running distances of Valencia and Sanchez are more than Guedes and Gaya down the same flank - it just shows that our players are trying but we are getting destroyed down that side because we aren't coached or tactically aware.
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Pretty much.
 
Fair play to the players...they really stepped it up in the latter part of the 2nd. That's the United we unfortunately want to see but still see very very rarely these past years. Wonder what suddenly lit the fire under their arse.
 
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