Mourinho or Pogba?

[Blind pew]

As long as all concerned remember that nobody is bigger than the club.

History suggests Pogba might be around longer than JM. The only thing that might change that is united winning a title.

One thing is for certain though. When you get these, "Either he goes or I do" scenarios, the club does tend to suffer.

 

[The neutral]

What is wrong here? Utd sign Pogba for a record fee and on massive wages and his performances and effort last season were nothing more than average.. in fact he didn’t warrant a place in the team on some occasions. At that price and wages he should be busting a gut EVERY MATCH, the manger shouldn’t have to get the best out of him, he should do it regardless of the position he is asked to play.
His agent try’s to get him a move and now everything he says is negative.
You are Man Utd, THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD...England’s heavyweight champions... not city, not Chelsea but Utd... there is no room in your club for someone like Pogba... he has the talent, no doubt, but his attitude is nothing short of awful.
Once playing for Utd was every players dream but players like him will bring your club down.
Regardless of whether you dislike Mourinho or not you need to shift Pogba on, he is a disruptive person.. get top dollar for him and replace him with a true professional... you will be a better team without him.
Remember when you pay world record fees you want the performance to match.
You are Man Utd not a local pub team.

 

[Davs]

Lads, it isn’t a case of apportioning blame, it has reached a point where both parties need to agree to a truce and a new working relationship for the good of the team.

Pogba, for example, had numerous prime opportunities during his many interviews during the World Cup to end speculation and commit his future to United. He didn't do it.

Likewise, Mourinho's barely had a word to say about Pogba's impressive World Cup campaign where he helped to lead France to victory. He has since appeared to overlook him for the vacant captaincy role and dug him, and a number of others, out for not returning from holiday sooner.

It is a tense stand-off that has rumbled on in the background the whole summer; two egos seemingly ill at ease with each other. In every interview Pogba has given there have been undertones hinting at a fractured relationship with Mourinho.

José needs to change his tack with Pogba in order to get the best out of him - but it's going to take a compromise from Pogba's side too. He showed his maturity in Russia with his team talks and ability to lead the squad and that is the mentality he needs to bring back to united after his summer holiday.

José has a huge job on his hands turning this situation around, but sorting out his Pogba 'problem' once and for all has to be one of his top priorities, and would stand him in good stead to prove critics wrong.

I couldn't really agree more with this. I don't even know if Woody and Co. see it as a must either. They need to resolve the animosity between them fast, or it could end up a right mess with tension spreading throughout the whole squad. I'm sure Pogba wouldn't have too much trouble turning a few heads if he was clever about it.

In all honesty though I don't think it's possible for them to be simply 'manager and player'. Pogba's recent comments such as; "If you want to speak to me, call my agent" and "There are things I want to say but I would end up being fined" kind of show how bad the situation has got and I think he's too much of an ego to go back on his word and admit it was wrong or uncalled for.

Time will tell I guess. I also (mid-summer) said there would be less than a 10% of him leaving this summer. Oh how that's looking like it will back fire too

 

[LInkash]

What is wrong here? Utd sign Pogba for a record fee and on massive wages and his performances and effort last season were nothing more than average.. in fact he didn’t warrant a place in the team on some occasions. At that price and wages he should be busting a gut EVERY MATCH, the manger shouldn’t have to get the best out of him, he should do it regardless of the position he is asked to play.
His agent try’s to get him a move and now everything he says is negative.
You are Man Utd, THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD...England’s heavyweight champions... not city, not Chelsea but Utd... there is no room in your club for someone like Pogba... he has the talent, no doubt, but his attitude is nothing short of awful.
Once playing for Utd was every players dream but players like him will bring your club down.
Regardless of whether you dislike Mourinho or not you need to shift Pogba on, he is a disruptive person.. get top dollar for him and replace him with a true professional... you will be a better team without him.
Remember when you pay world record fees you want the performance to match.
You are Man Utd not a local pub team.

An equally compelling argument can be made against Mourinho. Sure Fergie said "stand by your manager" but that is situation is very different, Mournho is not a long term manager, signs point to to him leaving after this season, whereas Pogba could stay a few years longer and has is showing signs he is making a step up in his play.

 

[humdinger]

With every day that passes I get more fed up with the pair of them. Don’t really think either of them want to be here and they are making our club a circus so would be ok with both going.

 

[Offsideagain]

With every day that passes I get more fed up with the pair of them. Don’t really think either of them want to be here and they are making our club a circus so would be ok with both going.

Yep, I agree. I have said elsewhere that the situation at the club is like a soap opera and not a very good one at that. Two grown men these are behaving like kids in a playground.

 

[simplyared]

I opted for Pogba when this thread opened. However after reading the developments according to the media since then (which I am aware don't have to be true), I've changed my mind on this.

To start with, how can we be sure Pogba would stay even under a new manager? Maybe he's having wet dreams about Barcelona and intends to leave the club anyway and is pouring fuel on the Mourinho fire in an effort to make the situation intolerable and justify him leaving the club. Wouldn't surprise me!

And then there is that known cliche: No player should be bigger than the club. I'll stick to that too!

 

[slir32]

Pogba not even a doubt in my mind and i would 9 times out of 10 back the manager. Reason the football the last 2 years.

 

[Ali Dia]

I say Jose and I am sick of his football and dour deamour but on the other hand - Pogba was pretty shite last season and that’s a big part of why our football has flopped. At least Give us a season of your best football before you try to hold the club to ransom you arse. World record fee, coming home, unfinished business... meh... Jose has tried almost everything to get pogba in particular playing as well as possible. Bit of tough love was probably his resort and it hasn’t worked it’s fair to say.

 

[JMack1234]

There is no way that Mourinho will let this incident slide. I'll be very pleasantly shocked if a very thinly veiled dig flies the way of Pogba. If I was the United press officer i'd be on my knees begging him to leave it.

 

[GM K]

Seriously?

I can't even begin to comprehend this here. You seriously think Real Madrid should have kept Mourinho and got rid of Ronaldo instead?

It was never Jose or Ronaldo. Never.

But I do agree, it was best for Madrid and Jose to part ways when they did.

 

[GM K]

17 years, 2 players and his reputation is destroyed? 17 years!
I hate the world!

Pogba is doing well at United, it wouldnt surprise anyone for him to do well elsewhere. Mourinho was his biggest fan in 16/17, he defended Pogba against all. Then to ask for more in 17/18 is a crime. He acknowledges how important Paul is and asks for more and that's bad? What is a manager allowed to do?

I'd choose Mourinho because, I don't think he's Pogba's problem. He is being used as a convenient excuse. Pogba will leave even if Mourinho is fired. The "big teams" now want him so he'll go to a club that can win things easily instead of struggling to build something with us.

When he allows his agent to offer him to City, that should show you how much affection he has for United.

That's the world for you.

And even those two players, people deliberately forget the context of their departure then. Chelsea was stacked with talents. Older and more experienced players. KDB and Salah asked to leave. Jose typically, allowed them to go.

Salah's case particularly interests me. How many people remember how he used to miss glaring chances? It was unbelievable!

 

[LolYo]

I wasnt really sure about Pogba before the World Cup but he's a world cup champion now, he has matured as a leader and is a completely different player now. I think the reason why he is speaking up is because he now has that confidence as a World Cup champion. Last year he was up and down a lot with his confidence, I remember at one point he had a string of horrible games, then scored a free kick for France and the way he celebrated, you can tell how much it meant to him.
He wont get down on himself again, hes a champion now and he knows it.

You absolutely keep Pogba over Mourinho, it isnt even close because its not just Pogba that has problems with Mourinho, its many of our other players, too, mostly flair players and hey lets not pretend it hasnt happened before.
Mourinho holds players back. Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah are among best players in the league now.

This is a very easy decision now.
You keep the world champion Pogba. He wasnt a world champion the last 2 years we had him but I really believe world cup was the turning point for him and he's ready to be a leader now. At 25, with his talent, this is no debate.

 

[Mooching]

Two grown men should be able to sit down and sort out their grievances.

 

[The neutral]

I wasnt really sure about Pogba before the World Cup but he's a world cup champion now, he has matured as a leader and is a completely different player now. I think the reason why he is speaking up is because he now has that confidence as a World Cup champion. Last year he was up and down a lot with his confidence, I remember at one point he had a string of horrible games, then scored a free kick for France and the way he celebrated, you can tell how much it meant to him.
He wont get down on himself again, hes a champion now and he knows it.

You absolutely keep Pogba over Mourinho, it isnt even close because its not just Pogba that has problems with Mourinho, its many of our other players, too, mostly flair players and hey lets not pretend it hasnt happened before.
Mourinho holds players back. Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah are among best players in the league now.

This is a very easy decision now.
You keep the world champion Pogba. He wasnt a world champion the last 2 years we had him but I really believe world cup was the turning point for him and he's ready to be a leader now. At 25, with his talent, this is no debate.

Mate,.. you choose the words “down a lot with confidence”, I would use the words “lack of effort!!! .... utd fans can say “awful football over the last couple of seasons” but surely when you pay record fees for a Pogba you don’t expect shite football performances from him but that’s the point, when you are buying players for nearly 100m you expect brilliant performances week in week out, and that should and will be reflected throughout the team. But he tossed it off and you’s know it.
He may have a World Cup medal but Mourinho has multi winners medals for doing his job also.
UTD cannot allow player power to rule the club, especially someone who would rather be at Barca, and let’s be honest, he would jump at leaving utd for them.
Robson, cantona, giggs, ince, scholes,Keane,etc etc must hate seeing what Pogba has been given at utd and the way he going on.
Pogba is not the future of utd and if you allow his attitude to dictate that then, I warn you you will decline rapidly as the dressing room will split.

 

[Blind pew]

We all have to appreciate that we're all on the outside looking in and that there are loads of things that go on that we never get to know about. Fair enough as some dirty linen shouldn't be washed in public.

Having said that, one party or the other in this episode appears to be taking United for granted. That's what I really don't like. One side or the other had better improve before things get too ugly.

Pogba appears to be turning it on for about one game in every four (give or take). Not nearly good enough, for his fee and wages it's got to be game in, game out, regardless of the opposition. What makes me really pull my hair out is the waste of the talent he clearly has.

Mourinho on his part has a track record of not developing thoroughbreds, but rather admires the workhorses. He needs to adapt this, as United need both in equal measure.

 

[Beagle]

What is wrong here? Utd sign Pogba for a record fee and on massive wages and his performances and effort last season were nothing more than average.. in fact he didn’t warrant a place in the team on some occasions. At that price and wages he should be busting a gut EVERY MATCH, the manger shouldn’t have to get the best out of him, he should do it regardless of the position he is asked to play.
His agent try’s to get him a move and now everything he says is negative.
You are Man Utd, THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD...England’s heavyweight champions... not city, not Chelsea but Utd... there is no room in your club for someone like Pogba... he has the talent, no doubt, but his attitude is nothing short of awful.
Once playing for Utd was every players dream but players like him will bring your club down.
Regardless of whether you dislike Mourinho or not you need to shift Pogba on, he is a disruptive person.. get top dollar for him and replace him with a true professional... you will be a better team without him.
Remember when you pay world record fees you want the performance to match.
You are Man Utd not a local pub team.

Your post is so wrong in so many ways.

What does it matter to the player how much we payed in transfer fees for them? Why does it mean they have to bust a gut because they're on high wages, when it's not his natural style of playing. The transfer fee is a random arbitrary amount decided by 2 businesses. Pogba's ability is not the only contributor to that sum, lots of other things factored in.

And this biggest club in the world line keeps popping up. What does it even mean? Biggest maybe in terms of how well the business is run and how many people around the world are financially/emotionally investing in the club. In terms of football, United is nowhere near the biggest or most attractive. How many current/potential world class player do you believe would prefer to join Man Utd over Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern, City or even Chelsea. These are just the big names there are a lot of other clubs which appear more attractive than United in its current state.

Agreed Pogba hasn't come across particularly well in what he's been saying. Maybe getting rid would be the only option if things get worse or a bigger club come calling. But taking the moral high ground in these matters is nonsensical. United need to hang on to both because replacing them will undo lot of the work done over the past 2 years.

 

[VP89]

I do find the sky debate hilariously inept.

They broke a story a just yesterday confirming no issues between manager and player before airing a debate with Ian Wright saying "at some stage they need to sit down and sort it out".

A particular favourite from Ian Wright's stupidity has to be saying:

"even if United do play vibrantly think the Mourinho Pogba issue will still be a problem for them this season"

Before going on to say:

"they're lucky it's early in the season so they can quash it and carry on playing football".

 

[LeftyBlaster]

Having thought about it more, can I reserve the right to change my vote? Jose over Pog.

 

[Beagle]

I do find the sky debate hilariously inept.

They broke a story a just yesterday confirming no issues between manager and player before airing a debate with Ian Wright saying "at some stage they need to sit down and sort it out".

A particular favourite from Ian Wright's stupidity has to be saying:

"even if United do play vibrant issue I think the Mourinho Pogba issue will still be a problem for them this season"

Before going on to say:

"they're lucky it's early in the season so they can quash it and carry on playing football".

Ian Wright frequently contradicts himself in the same sentence. He is there for comic relief I suppose.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

The difference between Mourinho vs Ronaldo at Madrid and Mourinho vs Pogba here is that Ronaldo was scoring 50 goals a season every season and helping them win the huge trophies. Ronaldo is t one of the rare exceptions to the manager vs player rule I think.

Pogba has had great moments here, but nobody could say he's been a consistent great success. So it annoys me to see a player who hasn't really done it, having so much power at the club.

 

[Moby]

Anyone who chooses Mourinho has no consideration whatsoever for this club's future.

 

[Speedicut75]

Your post is so wrong in so many ways.

What does it matter to the player how much we payed in transfer fees for them? Why does it mean they have to bust a gut because they're on high wages, when it's not his natural style of playing. The transfer fee is a random arbitrary amount decided by 2 businesses. Pogba's ability is not the only contributor to that sum, lots of other things factored in.

And this biggest club in the world line keeps popping up. What does it even mean? Biggest maybe in terms of how well the business is run and how many people around the world are financially/emotionally investing in the club. In terms of football, United is nowhere near the biggest or most attractive. How many current/potential world class player do you believe would prefer to join Man Utd over Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern, City or even Chelsea. These are just the big names there are a lot of other clubs which appear more attractive than United in its current state.

Agreed Pogba hasn't come across particularly well in what he's been saying. Maybe getting rid would be the only option if things get worse or a bigger club come calling. But taking the moral high ground in these matters is nonsensical. United need to hang on to both because replacing them will undo lot of the work done over the past 2 years.

Good post. A measure of reality always helps cut through the "historical context" stuff.

 

[RedorDead21]

Anyone who chooses Mourinho has no consideration whatsoever for this club's future.

Pogba has about as much interest in this clubs future as he has for Juve's......Looking to force away for a second time perhaps and fans are on their knees like he's KDB. Yep I don't even have to mention the all time Gods of the game just brilliantly consistent PL players! Surely he only holds more power than Jose whilst he's playing well. If he drops to the Sevilla level lows of his performance range is he still the power player at the club? Becks was put in the stands by SAF but he responded in the right way on the pitch. If Pogs returns to what we seen for much of last season why would anyone want to him around if the right offer comes along. Wayne Rooney d*cks all over Paul Pogba and he was pretty much met with distain for entertaining moves away from the club. Once a player starts doing that and power looks to be with them I'd cut loose unless they are backing it up massively on the field.

 

[The Uncle of All Uncles]

Anyone who chooses Mourinho has no consideration whatsoever for this club's future.

I feel that they've both (Mourinho and Pogba) underperformed since their arrivals at the club in varying ways, and I'm still waiting to see the best of either of them. It's been disappointing! However, I don't agree with you that Mourinho is somehow less invested in the medium-to-long-term future of Man Utd than Pogba is. I get that there's the history of Jose leaving after 3 years at previous clubs, but what exactly has Pogba shown to demonstrate that he's here for good (or a decade, or whatever...)?

 

[RedorDead21]

How many articles would have been written about Pogba in the last 12 months based purely on his football performances?
People on here don't realise how much Pogba and his team create stories each and every week to drive up his
online presence. "Pogba needs to concentrate on his football".....nothing would be more catastrophic to their strategy. He hasn't got it in him just yet to keep social media interest in him at this level based purely on his contributions.

 

[jmaggio]

I couldn't really agree more with this. I don't even know if Woody and Co. see it as a must either. They need to resolve the animosity between them fast, or it could end up a right mess with tension spreading throughout the whole squad. I'm sure Pogba wouldn't have too much trouble turning a few heads if he was clever about it.

In all honesty though I don't think it's possible for them to be simply 'manager and player'. Pogba's recent comments such as; "If you want to speak to me, call my agent" and "There are things I want to say but I would end up being fined" kind of show how bad the situation has got and I think he's too much of an ego to go back on his word and admit it was wrong or uncalled for.

Time will tell I guess. I also (mid-summer) said there would be less than a 10% of him leaving this summer. Oh how that's looking like it will back fire too

Thanks bro !

Yeah paul has really not helped the situation recently, I would so much have preferred him to keep his mouth shut but I’m certain he is being riled up by Raoila in the background (Don’t care if I’ve spelt that rats name wrong I’m not even going to check)

As for your prediction of him leaving, i would completely agree that there is little chance of him leaving. The guy has far too much brand value to us for us to let him go while he has a contract, even if he wanted too.

 

[Rolaholic]

How many articles would have been written about Pogba in the last 12 months based purely on his football performances?
People on here don't realise how much Pogba and his team create stories each and every week to drive up his
online presence. "Pogba needs to concentrate on his football".....nothing would be more catastrophic to their strategy. He hasn't got it in him just yet to keep social media interest in him at this level based purely on his contributions.

How do you guys come up with this drivel in your heads and just run with it without a problem?

You should send your CV to the Sun or Daily Mail,you'd fit in nicely

 

[RedorDead21]

How do you guys come up with this drivel in your heads and just run with it without a problem?

You should send your CV to the Sun or Daily Mail,you'd fit in nicely

They let me go. Said I was too creative or some sh*t.

 

[JK-27]

I think people forget that Pogba has fecked Utd over once before. He was offered a contract with us back in 2011, but demanded an astronomical wage for a teenager, a wage Fegie thought was a sign of how things were going to be with him, so let him go. Fergie said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."

Pogba is behaving the same way now, so if you think he loves Utd you're wrong. We're like an ex-girlfriend who believed he still loved us and we could change him. In reality all he was looking for was an easy feck until he found something better.

Let's not be fooled again eh.

 

[Irish Jet]

I think people forget that Pogba has fecked Utd over once before. He was offered a contract with us back in 2011, but demanded an astronomical wage for a teenager, a wage Fegie thought was a sign of how things were going to be with him, so let him go. Fergie said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."

Pogba is behaving the same way now, so if you think he loves Utd you're wrong. We're like an ex-girlfriend who believed he still loved us and we could change him. In reality all he was looking for was an easy feck until he found something better.

Let's not be fooled again eh.

Why not ex-boyfriend though?

 

[Rolaholic]

I think people forget that Pogba has fecked Utd over once before. He was offered a contract with us back in 2011, but demanded an astronomical wage for a teenager, a wage Fegie thought was a sign of how things were going to be with him, so let him go. Fergie said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."

Pogba is behaving the same way now, so if you think he loves Utd you're wrong. We're like an ex-girlfriend who believed he still loved us and we could change him. In reality all he was looking for was an easy feck until he found something better.

Let's not be fooled again eh.

I see this being brought up all the time without context. He only decided to leave after a game against Blackburn when Rooney,Gibson and Jonny Evans were all out of the squad so SAF had Carrick at CB as well as Park Ji-Sung and Rafael Da Silva as the MF pivot,yes that Rafael. Safe to say that match ended in a loss and Pogba didn't even come off the bench. Mind you that this was after Scholes had retired and Fletcher was injured at the time so if ever there was a chance for Pogba to get a chance under Fergie,that was it. He didn't and ended up feeling like his chance would never come at United so he left and joined Juventus where he finally got his chance, which in hindsight, was the best decision he ever made but let you lot tell it,he backstabbed and 'fecked' over United for thinking about his future when he wasn't in the clubs immediate plans

We're not the delusional ex-girlfriend,much of our fanbase are the insecure current GF that's already acting scorned

 

[jeff gurr]

Pogba is the type of player that you build a team around, a spirited player who needs to play an open style of football. I don't believe it's one or the other as i think they can compliment each other with some simple communication.

 

[Mickfoley]

Pogba can feck off.

 

[Sultan]

Too many gullible posters. Get a grip.

 

[The neutral]

Your post is so wrong in so many ways.

What does it matter to the player how much we payed in transfer fees for them? Why does it mean they have to bust a gut because they're on high wages, when it's not his natural style of playing. The transfer fee is a random arbitrary amount decided by 2 businesses. Pogba's ability is not the only contributor to that sum, lots of other things factored in.

And this biggest club in the world line keeps popping up. What does it even mean? Biggest maybe in terms of how well the business is run and how many people around the world are financially/emotionally investing in the club. In terms of football, United is nowhere near the biggest or most attractive. How many current/potential world class player do you believe would prefer to join Man Utd over Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern, City or even Chelsea. These are just the big names there are a lot of other clubs which appear more attractive than United in its current state.

Agreed Pogba hasn't come across particularly well in what he's been saying. Maybe getting rid would be the only option if things get worse or a bigger club come calling. But taking the moral high ground in these matters is nonsensical. United need to hang on to both because replacing them will undo lot of the work done over the past 2 years.

I don’t want to turn this into a me v you thing but you are just not getting it....
It ‘does’ matter a lot how much you paid for him.. obviously !!!

Man Utd or any other team cannot make multiple 100m purchases, no one can... so when they invest that sort of money they expect a top dollar return to be successful..... and it’s quite clear Pogba is not doing it on the pitch as consistent as he should. He is also becoming negative off the pitch also, which is a recipe for disaster.

Now if utd, WHO ARE arguably the biggest club in the world were performing to the level of real and Barca then ‘they would’ attract the very best in the game, because they can compete with anyone when it come to revenue but the very best are also attracted to champ league, super cup finals etc... the wage packet comes automatically with the very best. But like you say “the current state” well that current state is simply because your so called star player, the clubs biggest investment just isn’t trying.

If utd want to challenge to be the best they cannot carry player attitudes and inconsistency like what Pogba displays.

If the likes of ince, Neville and scholes are saying he’s not doing it then he’s not doing it.
I’ll repeat, utd will be better off selling him and reinvesting the money in someone else.
Messi, Ronaldo etc don’t need the manager to tell them how to perform on the pitch, they just get out there and perform. Utds so called superstar doesn’t !!!! Fact..

 

[JPRouve]

70% of the fans on here want Pogba to have more control than Jose......criminal!

Surely you know that it's not what the 70% mean?

 

[JK-27]

I see this being brought up all the time without context. He only decided to leave after a game against Blackburn when Rooney,Gibson and Jonny Evans were all out of the squad so SAF had Carrick at CB as well as Park Ji-Sung and Rafael Da Silva as the MF pivot,yes that Rafael. Safe to say that match ended in a loss and Pogba didn't even come off the bench. Mind you that this was after Scholes had retired and Fletcher was injured at the time so if ever there was a chance for Pogba to get a chance under Fergie,that was it. He didn't and ended up feeling like his chance would never come at United so he left and joined Juventus where he finally got his chance, which in hindsight, was the best decision he ever made but let you lot tell it,he backstabbed and 'fecked' over United for thinking about his future when he wasn't in the clubs immediate plans

We're not the delusional ex-girlfriend,much of our fanbase are the insecure current GF that's already acting scorned

Have you forgotten to take your pills today? You are all kinds of wrong.

Sir Alex Ferguson offered him a contract, he was in our plans. But the money he requested was way above what a player who had yet to be a first team regular should be asking for. To quote SAF “There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba’s agent is one of them. I distrusted him from the moment I met him. We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco. He and I were like oil and water."

To say 'you lot' say he backstabbed us is wrong. The manager said that. Let me repeat it for you, SAF said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us." That is our manager, not the fans.

As for your claim about Pogab's decision to leave, that is based on Scholes' opinion. And what you conveniently have left out of that quote is that although Scholes says that Blackburn game where he was a sub was the deciding factor for Pogba he also said “But he was playing in the reserve team and wasn’t doing very well, so he didn’t really warrant that.”

So you had a manager who wanted him to stay but his agent fecked us over, and Scholes saying Pogba was not playing to a standard that warranted him being in the first team at that time. If you still want to believe that this is out of context then you are plainly delusional and ignoring statements from those who were there at the time. Not fans, our ex-manager and player.

 

[JPRouve]

Have you forgotten to take your pills today? You are all kinds of wrong.

Sir Alex Ferguson offered him a contract, he was in our plans. But the money he requested was way above what a player who had yet to be a first team regular should be asking for. To quote SAF “There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba’s agent is one of them. I distrusted him from the moment I met him. We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco. He and I were like oil and water."

To say 'you lot' say he backstabbed us is wrong. The manager said that. Let me repeat it for you, SAF said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us." That is our manager, not the fans.

As for your claim about Pogab's decision to leave, that is based on Scholes' opinion. And what you conveniently have left out of that quote is that although Scholes says that Blackburn game where he was a sub was the deciding factor for Pogba he also said “But he was playing in the reserve team and wasn’t doing very well, so he didn’t really warrant that.”

So you had a manager who wanted him to stay but his agent fecked us over, and Scholes saying Pogba was not playing to a standard that warranted him being in the first team at that time. If you still want to believe that this is out of context then you are plainly delusional and ignoring statements from those who were there at the time. Not fans, our ex-manager and player.

It wasn't money but playing time. He was on a small wage and didn't get a full signing on fee when he joined Juventus, they were supposed to pay it in his next move.

 

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That poll is depressing.