Okay that would make sense.
Mourinho or Pogba?
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Okay that would make sense.
It actually makes perfect sense that Pogba won't suddenly change. People say Hazard/Ronaldo etc but the fact stays each of them had at least one top season with Mourinho before falling with him and proved their worse. In fact, Hazard was brilliant under 2 defensively minded managers like Mourinho and Conte. He wasn't waiting till Sarri comes to start performing to his level. He already showed us his level earlier under several different tactical setups and formations.
Carragher is a scouser, of course he wants us to get rid of Pogba and keep the toxic manager who was the one who started all of the public jabbing, the idea that a player can't or wont improve or perform better under a different manager is one the stupidest things he's ever said, it's something I'd expect fromn Jamie Redknapp rather than Jamie Carragher.
Carra can feck right off. He has a vested interest in Mourinho staying here and continuing to fail.
Keane would have snapped him in half. It's probably a good thing he's not around.
Having listened to Carragher earlier and looking at what's been going on I've come to the conclusion both should be shown the door.
Replace them with people more capable of their jobs, think Keane think Scholes and then think Pogba, he's a lazy, loose, overconfident showman. Mourinho, on the other hand, is poison, the guy is completely dated.
Replace them with people more capable of their jobs, think Keane think Scholes and then think Pogba, he's a lazy, loose, overconfident showman. Mourinho, on the other hand, is poison, the guy is completely dated.
Whatever happened to Eboue? Either of them.
I have to agree with Carragher in this case. Pogba is no Scholes, Totti or Zanetti for their clubs that's for sure. You guys need a DOF first though.
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He didn't say anything controversial.
What about if the two of them role-reversed?
Get Pogba to manage the team for a week and see how he deals with Jose's ego. Similarly, watch how Jose learns from somebody who isn't scared to 'attack, attack, attack'. I think it's the only way. We could even turn it into a TV show and make a nice bit of bunce.
Get Pogba to manage the team for a week and see how he deals with Jose's ego. Similarly, watch how Jose learns from somebody who isn't scared to 'attack, attack, attack'. I think it's the only way. We could even turn it into a TV show and make a nice bit of bunce.
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Absolutely spot-on.
People are backing Pogba out of hate for Mourinho, that's all there is to it really.
The manger will always come before the player for me, even more when said player, our record signing, did not do shit in the two years he was here. he was supposed to be the heart of the team. he was backed up by this same mourinho times and times again when he was under fire these last two years.
He does not give a shit about the club (neither Mourinho to be fair). but as Carra said it, Jose did more for the club the two season he was here than Pogba.
When people hear Pogba saying, we should attack attack attack ... do they think that Jose asks them to stay back ? especially at old trafford ? everyone saw how the team attacked with 10 men after derby's goal.
Same. He's shown as much for France and Juve.
Of course ABU's in the media would want our best player to leave us, and our toxic manager to stay.
It's weird that people get so riled up over Pogba speaking what's on all our minds regarding the football, its 'undermining the manager' then. What about the shit Mourinho constantly comes out with about our club, especially after he himself has engineered failure - like after the Sevilla game? He undermined Manchester United and none of you's had bat an eyelid. Do ya'll support manchester united, or jose mourinho cos it's a tad bit confusing.
This is of course based on a lot of speculation and conjecture, but assuming something like the worst version of what's being reported is true, I'd say this:
We cannot allow a situation to arise where one individual player has the influence to sack our manager. That CANNOT happen. We can't allow that to be a standard for how our club works, I don't care how good the player is, it could be a prime Cristiano, that can't be allowed to happen.
I would sit them both down and tell them to grow up, park this issue, and get on wth their jobs. Pogba should just get his head down, play his game, and if Mourinho is as bad as PP thinks he is, he'll be gone soon anyway. Let Mourinho fall off the cliff himself, you don't need to be the one to push him. If he wants to go, he can f*ck off for all I care. I'd be tempted to get rid in January to be honest, lay down the gauntlet to Mourinho, sell Pogba and replace him with whatever Mourinho wants, and then give him January-May to prove himself, and if things don't improve significantly sack him in the summer. He isn't irreplaceable - yes he has all the ability in the world, but he hasn't consistently been close to being one of the best midfielders in the world for us. If Mourinho thinks he could do better with 1, maybe even 2 midfielders we could sign from the fee we'd receive for Pogba, I'd be tempted to go for it.
I think there's an argument that if the board publicly back Mourinho, it may unite the players under him, if (big IF) Pogba is the disruptive influence he's being made out to be. Or it tears everything apart and we crumble even more spectacularly than we already are. It's a tough one.
Bottom line is, if Pogba's actually attempting to create an environment within the club to get a manager sacked, who's to say he wouldn't do it again if he ends up not liking the next guy, and the guy after that? I'm just bored of the Pogba circus. I really like Pogba but his overall performances across the past 2 and a bit years hardly warrant the level of drama surrounding him we've seen had season. However, if things are being exaggerated and blown out of proportion by the media (highly possible), or if Mourinho is the aggressor, and the guiltier of the 2 parties - and if he loves United like he says he does and he wants to stay and fight for this club now and in the future, I'd encourage him to keep shtum for the next few months, be a model professional on and off the pitch, and let Mourinho cause his own downfall, and ensure he's here to lead the club when he's gone.
In an ideal world this can all be resolved, but I'm not sure I see it happening.
(P.S. Apologies for the long rambley post)
We cannot allow a situation to arise where one individual player has the influence to sack our manager. That CANNOT happen. We can't allow that to be a standard for how our club works, I don't care how good the player is, it could be a prime Cristiano, that can't be allowed to happen.
I would sit them both down and tell them to grow up, park this issue, and get on wth their jobs. Pogba should just get his head down, play his game, and if Mourinho is as bad as PP thinks he is, he'll be gone soon anyway. Let Mourinho fall off the cliff himself, you don't need to be the one to push him. If he wants to go, he can f*ck off for all I care. I'd be tempted to get rid in January to be honest, lay down the gauntlet to Mourinho, sell Pogba and replace him with whatever Mourinho wants, and then give him January-May to prove himself, and if things don't improve significantly sack him in the summer. He isn't irreplaceable - yes he has all the ability in the world, but he hasn't consistently been close to being one of the best midfielders in the world for us. If Mourinho thinks he could do better with 1, maybe even 2 midfielders we could sign from the fee we'd receive for Pogba, I'd be tempted to go for it.
I think there's an argument that if the board publicly back Mourinho, it may unite the players under him, if (big IF) Pogba is the disruptive influence he's being made out to be. Or it tears everything apart and we crumble even more spectacularly than we already are. It's a tough one.
Bottom line is, if Pogba's actually attempting to create an environment within the club to get a manager sacked, who's to say he wouldn't do it again if he ends up not liking the next guy, and the guy after that? I'm just bored of the Pogba circus. I really like Pogba but his overall performances across the past 2 and a bit years hardly warrant the level of drama surrounding him we've seen had season. However, if things are being exaggerated and blown out of proportion by the media (highly possible), or if Mourinho is the aggressor, and the guiltier of the 2 parties - and if he loves United like he says he does and he wants to stay and fight for this club now and in the future, I'd encourage him to keep shtum for the next few months, be a model professional on and off the pitch, and let Mourinho cause his own downfall, and ensure he's here to lead the club when he's gone.
In an ideal world this can all be resolved, but I'm not sure I see it happening.
(P.S. Apologies for the long rambley post)
yeah that was just swept under the carpet wasn't it
The results of the poll is an absolute joke. Jaime Charrager sums up my views perfectly:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...e-mourinho-situation-jamie-carraghers-verdict
https://www.skysports.com/football/...e-mourinho-situation-jamie-carraghers-verdict
Nah Carragher can feck off.
Quite perfectly summed up by Carragher.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11509647/berbatov-fed-up-with-jose-pogba-row
Always nice to hear from Berba, even when he's not happy!
Always nice to hear from Berba, even when he's not happy!
Carragher has no interest in the best for the club. Of course Pogba has demonstrated his ability under different managers and different tactical set ups except this one. Why? Why is that? Why are other players regressing at the club and not replicating the same form they showed at their previous clubs or national teams?
Mourinho should leave.
Exactly! Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, even Sanchez is struggling.
I think it was player power not anything else. He had just signed a 4 yr contract in the summer if 12-13. It was fractured relationships between him and Ramos, Ronaldo, Pepe, Casillas, who all had a problem with him. Thats was the spine of the team. Mourinho as a result had to be let go.
For feck sake stop acting like Pogba is a god in other teams. He's not.
Go and visit the Juventus forum for his actual impact there. He had some blistering periods and some rubbish patches. For France his performances were widely criticised and he was booed off the pitch before the world Cup. Then he has 4 good games out of 7 and you all want to have a big group wank over it.
He's just not that good. Get over it.
Mate no one dislikes Liverpool and Carragher more than me but I can’t disagree with a single word he says on this subject . The fact is Pogba is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is
Even when a pundit comes out with a sensible argument we have imbeciles trying to point to some conspiracy.
Neither.
Mourinho is in his third year, modern players don't tolerate managers for long, motivational issues are manifesting and will only get worse as time goes on.
Pogba is a not a player you build the team around, he is too inconsistent for that. Selling him for a massive fee to fund a new team for a new manager would not be out of the question.
Mourinho is in his third year, modern players don't tolerate managers for long, motivational issues are manifesting and will only get worse as time goes on.
Pogba is a not a player you build the team around, he is too inconsistent for that. Selling him for a massive fee to fund a new team for a new manager would not be out of the question.
How good Pogba is , isn't the point. How he seems to be behaving just isn't acceptable, and obviously that goes whether is a god on the pitch or shite. I think he's got enormous potential and I am a fan of his, but in this to and fro in the media is bullshit, and needs to stop. How can he get away with this? It cannot be allowed to continue.
Berbatov
He's just too cool for this mess.Indeed. Imagine if the club had backed Beckham or Van Nistelrooy over Fergie. It's not about Pogba's ability or Mourinho's lack of it - you simply can't let that kind of rot set in.
Get rid of both of the feckers and start again ffs. Making an absolute joke out of the club.
Mourinho is done!
Pogba should be the one who stays. Under a new boss (Carrick as caretaker) we could see a different player. We need some harmony in the camp. This cannot be allowed to continue, so step up you board members, take responsibilty and act. Pronto!
Pogba should be the one who stays. Under a new boss (Carrick as caretaker) we could see a different player. We need some harmony in the camp. This cannot be allowed to continue, so step up you board members, take responsibilty and act. Pronto!
Time to calm down and get Zlatan back on loan. He will sort the dressing room out.
Simples.
Simples.
This is spot on.
The choice of 'Mourinho or Pogba' is a false assessment of the situation. Mourinho will get sacked if we have a bad season, Pogba has done things that suggest he thinks he is bigger than the club, for example getting his agent to seek out a move with 3 years left on his contract.
I see quite a few similarities between Neymar and Pogba. Both players looked like worldies when surrounded by massive players that kept them in check. Now they are the big fish and their ego's seem to be getting out of control.
Pogba would be kept in line under SAF because of the man himself and the huge personalities around him. Zlatan provided that influence and his first season is arguably his best season, where he also spent most of it in a midfield 2 which is 'out of position'.
A lot of naive people in here with regards to the Carragher comments. He'd love nothing more than for our best player to leave and for this toxic situation to continue.
Why? By your logic Chelsea should have kicked out Hazard and Real sold Ronaldo too just because Jose alienated them?
Pogba being nowhere near as good as he thinks or what his fans think has zero relevance when it’s a question about choosing between him and Mourinho. Even a vestigial organ will win vs Mourinho.
Pogba doesn't play like he's fit to lace Hazard or Ronaldos boots so yeah, I'd sell him.
Also the OP’s desperate attempt to swing this in the other direction. 