Moyes So Far!

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mickeza said:
Moyes was answering questions regarding the response from Everton, which makes it relevant.
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So if we play QPR and Joey Barton kicks one of our players in the head, it's okay for one of our players to kick Barton in the head and receive a 8 match ban?

You don't have to act the dick just because others do, you know.
 
marjen said:
So if we play QPR and Joey Barton kicks one of our players in the head, it's okay for one of our players to kick Barton in the head and receive a 8 match ban?

You don't have to act the dick just because others do, you know.
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Not really the same is it? In fact it's not even close to being the same. Moyes and Utd retained a dignified silence. Everton went crying to the media so Moyes has made his response.
 
acnumber9 said:
Are you getting these Fellaini add ons from the same place you made up how much Evrton paid for Gibson? Have you a link. All I see is they paid £15m. It's not Utd's fault Eveton overpaid for him. We offered not much less than his worth as an opening offer and Everton have thrown their toys out of the pram and now Moyes has responded they're going to portray him as the bad guy when they eventually sell.
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Find the links yourself you idle git. I'm not your slave. Listen to the Everton manager. The information is there if you care to access it.

We offered sweet feck all compared to what he is worth he has been an established Premier League player for 5 years so his value has gone up not fecking down. Everton overpaid for him? You are a classic example of how arrogant and conceited a United supporter can become. Everton set the price for Fellaini, he's their player. If United want him they will pay up or shut up.
 
Marcus said:
From a transfers perspective I think it is now obvious that Moyes is great at transfers. He probably knows that Fellaini and Baines have contract terms which oblige Everton to inform them of a bid from a big club no matter how low. So by bidding quietly, Moyes has turned their heads legitimately. Everton made the bid public since there is no advantage to keep quiet. They might as well do the dying swan dance to appease Everton fans and drive the price up/get a bidding war going if possible. United probably have little budget to be too charitable since we are going for Ozil. In short, Ozil, Fellaini and Baines.
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If Moyes delivers Ozil, Fellaini and Baines in his first transfer window I'd be absolutely delighted!
 
Comsmit said:
Find the links yourself you idle git. I'm not your slave. Listen to the Everton manager. The information is there if you care to access it.

We offered sweet feck all compared to what he is worth he has been an established Premier League player for 5 years so his value has gone up not fecking down. Everton overpaid for him? You are a classic example of how arrogant and conceited a United supporter can become. Everton set the price for Fellaini, he's their player. If United want him they will pay up or shut up.
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You made the point, it's up to you to back it up. The problem is you can't. Yes they did overpay. It's not Utd's fault they paid £15m for him. His worth doesn't go up because Everton want to make a big profit. His value has already had a ceiling and nobody was willing to pay it.
 
Comsmit said:
Find the links yourself you idle git. I'm not your slave. Listen to the Everton manager. The information is there if you care to access it.

We offered sweet feck all compared to what he is worth he has been an established Premier League player for 5 years so his value has gone up not fecking down. Everton overpaid for him? You are a classic example of how arrogant and conceited a United supporter can become. Everton set the price for Fellaini, he's their player. If United want him they will pay up or shut up.
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Quite an unnecessarily aggressive post but I'm only replying to the bolded parts.

His clause was there, for months, ready to be triggered and not one single club triggered it. Despite the fact that several CMs have moved clubs this summer. The valuation of anything is only as much as people are willing to pay for it. You can put your house up for sale for as much as you want but it'll probably remain unsold if people aren't willing to pay what you've valued it at. Same applies here. If Everton are overvaluing him, which is likely since no-one triggered the clause, they'll end up having to keep him or lowering their valuation of him.
 
acnumber9 said:
You made the point, it's up to you to back it up. The problem is you can't. Yes they did overpay. It's not Utd's fault they paid £15m for him. His worth doesn't go up because Everton want to make a big profit. His value has already had a ceiling and nobody was willing to pay it.
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I'm away from home posting off a defunct BlackBerry with therefore no means to embed a URL of any kind. Its real simple though...if you type in Fellaini Everton Transfer 2008 into a good search engine, there are various articles from the time detailing an initial fee plus add-ons. Roberto Martinez specifically stated United's offer was lower than what they paid for him. Whether you feel Everton overpaid for him is another matter but United offering less than what they paid for him, after 5 impressive years in the Premier League, is ridiculous. It is a sellers market, United can set their own valuations of players if they wish, but if they want someone they will have to pay the selling clubs valuation. Its not United's fault Everton paid £15 million for him, but it is their fault for assuming offering less than they paid for him is a good opening bid. His worth goes up if United want to buy him mate, you seriously think Everton would sell a prize asset for less than they paid for him? Whatever.

If United wanted Fellaini that badly then they could have paid the clause, got their man early in the window and everyone is happy. The club seems to have this aversion to paying slightly over the odds for a player, but now you get a daft situation whereby they come in late in the window with a derisory offer, piss Everton off to the point where they will probably end up having to pay the same amount as the release clause was initially worth anyway. All that damage for trying to save a few million....nice one. I would like to see the player at Old Trafford but I'm sceptical that will now happen in this window. Everton will dig their heels in and make things as awkward as possible. They have him under contract, they don't need to sell, even if Fellaini is agitating for a move.
 
dmode said:
Moyes is preparing a better 'coup' imho...
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I'm secretly hoping this is a smokescreen for behind the scenes attempts to sign Modric/Ozil

Madrid rumoured to be after Suarez after Bale so you'd expect someone to be moved on
 
LR7 said:
Quite an unnecessarily aggressive post but I'm only replying to the bolded parts.

His clause was there, for months, ready to be triggered and not one single club triggered it. Despite the fact that several CMs have moved clubs this summer. The valuation of anything is only as much as people are willing to pay for it. You can put your house up for sale for as much as you want but it'll probably remain unsold if people aren't willing to pay what you've valued it at. Same applies here. If Everton are overvaluing him, which is likely since no-one triggered the clause, they'll end up having to keep him or lowering their valuation of him.
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It wasn't meant to be aggressive....I was rather drunk and I curse a lot when I'm intoxicated. Not sure I agree with your house analogy. Its not comparable really as Everton don't want to sell Fellaini. The clause was deliberately high for maximum value and had someone triggered it they would have had no choice, but they would rather keep the player. Of course Everton will overvalue him, he's a prized asset, and the football market is hyper-inflated. Just because nobody paid the clause doesn't neccesarily mean he isn't worth around that figure to a club. The main reason is most elite clubs are well stocked in central midfield and have no desperate requirement for one, except of course, United. Strikers and attacking midfielders/forwards have been on the shopping lists thus far with the exception of Spurs who have bought Capoue and Paulinho. Perhaps if United want value they should have looked at those 2 players, rather than trying to hamstring an established Premier League club who have just lost their long serving manager to you for nothing.
 
buckooo1978 said:
I'm secretly hoping this is a smokescreen for behind the scenes attempts to sign Modric/Ozil

Madrid rumoured to be after Suarez after Bale so you'd expect someone to be moved on
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I don't think that's likely.

It's difficult to judge, as media accounts of our dealings may not be accurate, but Moyes lukewarm comments on Thiago, and the fact that we didn't contact the player, appear to be authenticated. Then, after we fail to get Fabregas, we head straight for Fellaini, someone who's as unlikely to shine brilliantly as he is to flop hopelessly. Now there are reports that we've passed on Ozil.

There seems to be a pattern. Moyes priority is to hold on to his job, and he thinks the best way to do that is to play it safe. No to Thiago and Ozil, yes to Fellaini; no to chancy brilliance, yes to reliable mediocrity.

His exclusion of Adnan Januzaj, and the (to me) rather shocking report that he wants to loan him to a championship club, fits the same template. Take no chances with kids.

It's too soon to tell, but the adjectives 'intimidated and unadventurous' would fit him so far.

After all, why is it so vital that his first signing be a success? It seems more important to David Moyes than to Manchester United - we've had lots of signings that didn't work out. I'd prefer his first signing to have been Thiago Alcantara. He might have failed, but there was the possibility of brilliant success. Something that can hardly be said about Fellaini.

Realistically, DM has to be given a season to settle into the job, and another summer transfer window, to get a clear sighting of who he is, and where he's likely to lead the club. But his start is a bit worrying.
 
Why is he giving so many interviews? There's new quotes of his almost daily in the papers.
 
Will Absolute said:
I don't think that's likely.

It's difficult to judge, as media accounts of our dealings may not be accurate, but Moyes lukewarm comments on Thiago, and the fact that we didn't contact the player, appear to be authenticated. Then, after we fail to get Fabregas, we head straight for Fellaini, someone who's as unlikely to shine brilliantly as he is to flop hopelessly. Now there are reports that we've passed on Ozil.

There seems to be a pattern. Moyes priority is to hold on to his job, and he thinks the best way to do that is to play it safe. No to Thiago and Ozil, yes to Fellaini; no to chancy brilliance, yes to reliable mediocrity.

His exclusion of Adnan Januzaj, and the (to me) rather shocking report that he wants to loan him to a championship club, fits the same template. Take no chances with kids.

It's too soon to tell, but the adjectives 'intimidated and unadventurous' would fit him so far.

After all, why is it so vital that his first signing be a success? It seems more important to David Moyes than to Manchester United - we've had lots of signings that didn't work out. I'd prefer his first signing to have been Thiago Alcantara. He might have failed, but there was the possibility of brilliant success. Something that can hardly be said about Fellaini.

Realistically, DM has to be given a season to settle into the job, and another summer transfer window, to get a clear sighting of who he is, and where he's likely to lead the club. But his start is a bit worrying.
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I am not sure where he has mentioned that, because I certainly haven't read anything like it. What he has said is that even if we do not sign anyone, that means that the kids on the brink of first team will get more opportunities and stuff.

Also, there has been no talk of Adnan going out on loan.
 
I know we all like to take the piss but there is something quite likeable about Moyes. He comes across as very composed in his press conferences.
 
Will Absolute said:
I don't think that's likely.

It's difficult to judge, as media accounts of our dealings may not be accurate, but Moyes lukewarm comments on Thiago, and the fact that we didn't contact the player, appear to be authenticated. Then, after we fail to get Fabregas, we head straight for Fellaini, someone who's as unlikely to shine brilliantly as he is to flop hopelessly. Now there are reports that we've passed on Ozil.

There seems to be a pattern. Moyes priority is to hold on to his job, and he thinks the best way to do that is to play it safe. No to Thiago and Ozil, yes to Fellaini; no to chancy brilliance, yes to reliable mediocrity.

His exclusion of Adnan Januzaj, and the (to me) rather shocking report that he wants to loan him to a championship club, fits the same template. Take no chances with kids.

It's too soon to tell, but the adjectives 'intimidated and unadventurous' would fit him so far.

After all, why is it so vital that his first signing be a success? It seems more important to David Moyes than to Manchester United - we've had lots of signings that didn't work out. I'd prefer his first signing to have been Thiago Alcantara. He might have failed, but there was the possibility of brilliant success. Something that can hardly be said about Fellaini.

Realistically, DM has to be given a season to settle into the job, and another summer transfer window, to get a clear sighting of who he is, and where he's likely to lead the club. But his start is a bit worrying.
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By all accounts, Moyes is after a holding and attacking midfielder.

I trust that Fellaini isn't a target instead of the likes of Thiago, Fabregas, Ozil, Modric, etc.
 
There was a noticeable difference to our mentality in the last ten minutes over previous seasons. We were not really going for the win.
 
Set the side up excellently today but yeah really felt like we were missing the Fergie factor in the closing mins
 
MikeUpNorth said:
There was a noticeable difference to our mentality in the last ten minutes over previous seasons. We were not really going for the win.
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Surely that'd be something instilled into the mentality of the players.
 
Better pressing than we've been used to in the last couple of seasons, but that last 10 minutes were very frustrating. Is Kagawa not ready to play? Perfect match for him today.
 
Thought the set up of the team defensively was great and really encouraging for when we have to play narrow teams. Ony thing missing was the attack, the final ball was just lacking, but hopefully will come with time.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
There was a noticeable difference to our mentality in the last ten minutes over previous seasons. We were not really going for the win.
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Understandable really, Chelsea are dangerous on the counter and losing today would have been a complete disaster for Moyes.
 
Moyes' second competitive game in charge, United's first goalless game in 158. Coincidence?
 
"I thought we played very well but couldn't get the final cross in to get the final chance in front of goal. We put three forwards out but Chelsea made it hard to score.
"I didn't have a great view of the penalty claims, but I think it's still a situation where the referees don't know what is handball and what isn't. I think the referee had a good game but I don't think the managers are quite sure.
"I am frustrated we didn't get the points but we'll take it and go and build on it"
 
Very good interview. Love the comment that it's twice in a week a handball was not given against Chelsea.
 
Fergie style comments on the handball. 'think Chelsea have had two of them in the past week. Would be nice to have some clarity on what is and isn't a handball'
 
Massive test at the end of the week for him. So far, so good. Has done everything right, footballing wise.
 
Oh, we were trying at the end. Not Moyes' fault that mourinho is parking the bus and atkinson is not awarding us the penalty we should have had.
 
Revan said:
No. We usually try to win the game in the end, tonight we were happy with a draw.
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The last few mins we ran out of steam. Before that we certainly were trying to win. There was also a noticeable increase in urgency at the beginning of the 2nd half.
 
Randall Flagg said:
The last few mins we ran out of steam. Before that we certainly were trying to win. There was also a noticeable increase in urgency at the beginning of the 2nd half.
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Haven't seen that we were trying to win. A good chance in an entire game, with most of the time making passes between defenders. Almost all our attacks came from the crosses while Jones again offered nothing attacking wise. I think Moyes's priority was to don't lose tonight, not to win. Not sure that's the right thing when we're playing at home.
 
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