He's lost to the two worst possible teams he could have lost to if you're a Manchester United manager, that on the back of the embarrasing transfer window have made it a pretty dissapointing start. Rooney's form and the Champions League game are positive though, so I'd say a 6/10 so far.
Moyes So Far!
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This... please dont start with shitty excuses now.
That was a bit feeble from Moyes. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come from him.
Anyone else worried now considering some of us spoke about draconian football and tactics way back in May?
I am fully behind him, and will support us to the day that I die, but feck me, that was embarrassing today. And against Liverpool. And against Chelsea.
Shocking start to his Manchester United career. Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia ahead of Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez? Jesus wept.
I am fully behind him, and will support us to the day that I die, but feck me, that was embarrassing today. And against Liverpool. And against Chelsea.
Shocking start to his Manchester United career. Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia ahead of Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez? Jesus wept.
He's really not done anything different to SAF. Not starting Valencia after his Leverkusen performance would have been the most peculiar of all the potential decisions. Nani and Kagawa aren't ready to start games consistently yet and hopefully that will change sometime soon. Hernandez would have been hopeless against Kompany unless we controlled possession and got the ball into feet more often.
United should just cut their losses now before you know who destroys this great club.
I honestly feel we need to forget this United way of "classic wingers". It's all well and nice this United tradition and having sentimentality in football but you have to move with the times and realise that a change is needed. It leaves us far too open in the middle of the pitch and puts big pressure on the centre midfielders and centre backs. Especially annoying when persisting with the system when we have wingers who aren't fit to lace the boots of players who've done the job in the past.
If he finishes outside the top 4 I think you'd have to sack him. Or if he's like 8th at Christmas or something.
Why not though? Because Moyes hasn't played them. They both played for their countries in the international break, which two weeks ago now. Why wouldn't they be fit to start games yet? Kagawa started against Leverkusen so I didn't expect him to start, but that was assuming we had Rooney and RVP fit and we'd play Nani on the left.
I can't believe for a second that Nani isn't match fit yet. We used him a month ago against Liverpool as a sub where he looked better then Young did and made more of an impact in the short time he had.
I get that he might not know someone like Kagawa but he should be very familiar with the games of everyone else in the squad given that he will have been looking for ways to set up against them for a number of years so I can't understand why he wouldn't have thought Young, Welbeck and Valencia together, with the wide players playing as they are/have been wouldn't have led to a lack of bite in attack and whilst they work hard they don't really lead to keeping possession well etc.
Plus tbf he should know about someone like kagawa now or nani given that with the window closed he's had plenty of time to look into players at the club,
Plus tbf he should know about someone like kagawa now or nani given that with the window closed he's had plenty of time to look into players at the club,
How long has it been since he's played? We need him to get consistent game time under his belt, it's been too stop-start for Nani including pre-season, hopefully he gets 60 mins midweek and kicks on vs. West Brom. Let's be honest though, starting him would have made little difference today.
Stop making up random stuff. Thank you.
The lack of bite is one thing but defensively there were a lot of poor errors too. I anticipate Moyes has learnt a fair few lessons today one of which is to rotate Rio much more.
Stop typing complete bollocks, log out and never log back in again. Thank you.
Hopefully definitely think Evans needs some games, he was looking on course to be first choice defender last season.
More negative than positives so far, but early days.
Negatives:
He should not talk to much about the fixture list, it's not that bad.
He should understand that a flat 442 is almost never a great option.
He should give regular Kagawa and Nani playing time at once.
Positives:
Getting Nani to sign a New contract.
Negatives:
He should not talk to much about the fixture list, it's not that bad.
He should understand that a flat 442 is almost never a great option.
He should give regular Kagawa and Nani playing time at once.
Positives:
Getting Nani to sign a New contract.
Well he got subbed on against Liverpool, and then he played for Portugal (as a sub I think it was, but played never the less). Why didn't he start against Palace to get some minutes? He was suspended against Leverkusen, but then there's no excuses today. He's been back training for a while now and although he might not be completely match sharp yet, he is probably fit enough to play. If he's lacking in match sharpness, why not sub him on once the game was done? We had nothing else to lose, so if Moyes put on Kagawa and nani, we would have had two players getting 30-40 minutes in a big game, while at the same time we most definitely would have played a lot better. Moyes just froze after those 2 goals straight after half time and didn't do anything really.
He'd improve our distribution from the back no end too, as would Rafael at RB. I feel a lot of players can come in and improve upon the XI we had out there today. Hopefully Moyes will be more proactive with a 'easier' fixture list coming up. Rafael, Evans, Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez and to a smaller extent Januzaj and Zaha are all players who I feel can add a bit more to our team. Between all of them they've not played many minutes.
Give the man time. He needs to get to know the players and them impose his methods and style on the team.
His best bet would have been to barren down the hatches in these first few games, play über defensive and try to avoiding losing but he knows he would have been delayed for that.
We need to accept that this is s proper transitional period and its going to take years for moyes to be able to completely impose himself.
His best bet would have been to barren down the hatches in these first few games, play über defensive and try to avoiding losing but he knows he would have been delayed for that.
We need to accept that this is s proper transitional period and its going to take years for moyes to be able to completely impose himself.
They should have come on after 4-0 to be honest, maybe Moyes feels a full 90 midweek is better, whatever it is we're only 5 games in the Premier League season and there's plenty of time for these guys to establish themselves as starting players.
Yeah I agree, no one should go overboard with the criticism as there has been a number of injuries that have led to non ideal teams in tough fixtures and really this is probably the only truly poor result as at least against liverpool we were missing a few players and they got lucky with their goal. As I said though he really can't play the "needing to see the players" card as he's had long enough to see players in training and research them. Plus tbh he really could have looked to include them more as subs if he was that desperate to see them live.
Hopefully starting with the liverpool game he gives them a good run. The only problem I can see coming is having to play a lot of players who haven't played much at the same time against liverpool which will naturally bring the cohesion down and make it harder to shine.
Everton were notorious for starting the season slow under Moyes, I hope it doesn't repeat at United.
Indeed, Diouf looked hopeless in his final few cup games here and he's not done too bad since.
Anyone who thinks we will be playing free flowing football under Moyes with Fellaini in our team will be sadly disappointed. Fellaini is a limited footballer that worked in Moyes long ball game but at United we do not play like that. Fellaini lacks mobility and enough ability to work the ball around.
He accepted the defeat and didnt bring on anymore subs - SAF would never had gone into damage limitation mode so early on. United isnt a club for Moyes to cut his teeth.
He accepted the defeat and didnt bring on anymore subs - SAF would never had gone into damage limitation mode so early on. United isnt a club for Moyes to cut his teeth.
Agree with the bold. He could still turn things around, the problem is finishing in the top 4 is a lot harder this year compared to previous years.
No real point in sacking him before the end of the season, I mean what kind of manager would we bring in then.
I knew it would be bad in here, rightly so, but some of the shit that has been written in here is beyond belief.
I think we can leave the talk of sacking the manager after 5 minutes in the job to Chelsea. It isn't our style and thank feck for that.
I think we can leave the talk of sacking the manager after 5 minutes in the job to Chelsea. It isn't our style and thank feck for that.
I think if you can't finish in the top 4 with the team that just won the league the season before, you ought to be sacked personally. That's all people should be talking about when it comes to Moyes and getting sacked. Finishing in the Champions League places should be the bare minimum for a club like ours.
I see Moyes as closer to Roberto Martinez than Fergie. A manager who can get a mid table side to punch above its weight, but lacking in verve to do it at a top 4 club. I could be wrong, in fact I hope I am. Or else he could simply evolve that skill into his repertoire as time goes on. Or else maybe not.
He's not good enough - and he shouldnt be learning on the job at United. he has been here 5 months and how many games have we played in total?
It's already too late, 5 points adrift is a slow start on all accounts.
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If everyone can see Moyes is too negative then what are we going to do if this is the best he can do?
If everyone can see Moyes is too negative then what are we going to do if this is the best he can do?
This is basically the start many of us predicted. Fergie retires and the new manager gets awarded a murderous schedule with the dippers, chelsea, and city in the first five fixtures. The next five or six will really define whether we're up for it this year. If we can go on a clean run up until Arsenal, we should be at or near the top of the table - which lets face it, would be quite encouraging.
According to Sky Bet, Moyes is the 6th favourite to be sacked next
Failure to win the next two games and he will already be under incredible pressure after the results so far and the summer. I'm all for giving the guy a chance but, it's not exactly "laughable" that sky bet considering the modern day game. Manchester United or not
Yeah I'm getting sick of the excuse-making culture that seems to be creeping in. This, along with the transfer window, was something that Moyes had more than enough time to get his team ready for. If he trots out the same lineup next weekend (ie. anything with Ashley Young, Valencia and Welbeck at the expense of Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez,) then I think there really will be cause for concern.
The scary thing is, were he to get sacked (which I really hope doesn't happen, at least not before he's had a full season, preferably two, to put his mark on the team,) who would be a candidate to replace him?
The board won't be so stupid to fire Moyes without having a replacement lined up before. If they were to fire him that is.
I don't think he would get sacked. Think about it - He's been given a six year contract and Fergie has his back from the board room. We would have to finish mid table for several years on the trot before his job is in danger.
He'll soon find out that excuses like these don't wash with United fans (unless it's Fergie who's giving them).
Reading through this thread and everyone has a right to be angry about how things have gone so far.
- starting in July
- the transfer window
- the excuses
- the stupid interviews
- the negative tactics
- the damage limitation job today with Cleverley coming on
- The signing of Felliani and the manner it was done in
- The performances
- Team selections
- Learning on the job
It's perfectly understandable. We all know following SAF was going to be tough for anyone that came in. However, I never wanted Moyes. I've always thought he's a second rate manager, who got a Preston team promoted and made Everton a solid team in the league. It's nothing to write home about. Considering Fergie had broke up the Old Firm dominance and won a European cup, against Madrid with fecking Aberdeen at the age of 46.
I am all for giving him time to bed in and make his own mark and I hope to God for our sake and his, he turns out to be a success. But so far, things haven't been acceptable and not one United fan can tell me otherwise.
How the champions of England can turn in performances such as these this season so far, is beyond me.
One thing that does bother me quite a bit is Phil Neville. . . Now, I love Phil Neville to death but he's a first team coach, also learning his trade. If you were RVP, Evra, Nani or one of the senior players who has won everything, could you take him seriously after working with the likes of CQ and RM? He's also learning his trade and I'm not having a pop at him or criticising the guy at all
The scary thing is some of you are talking about just finishing in the top 4..Or worse, outside it...Finishing anywhere outside the top 3, top 2 and not challenging for the league would be an utter disaster! We're the champions! Not Spurs!
- starting in July
- the transfer window
- the excuses
- the stupid interviews
- the negative tactics
- the damage limitation job today with Cleverley coming on
- The signing of Felliani and the manner it was done in
- The performances
- Team selections
- Learning on the job
It's perfectly understandable. We all know following SAF was going to be tough for anyone that came in. However, I never wanted Moyes. I've always thought he's a second rate manager, who got a Preston team promoted and made Everton a solid team in the league. It's nothing to write home about. Considering Fergie had broke up the Old Firm dominance and won a European cup, against Madrid with fecking Aberdeen at the age of 46.
I am all for giving him time to bed in and make his own mark and I hope to God for our sake and his, he turns out to be a success. But so far, things haven't been acceptable and not one United fan can tell me otherwise.
How the champions of England can turn in performances such as these this season so far, is beyond me.
One thing that does bother me quite a bit is Phil Neville. . . Now, I love Phil Neville to death but he's a first team coach, also learning his trade. If you were RVP, Evra, Nani or one of the senior players who has won everything, could you take him seriously after working with the likes of CQ and RM? He's also learning his trade and I'm not having a pop at him or criticising the guy at all
The scary thing is some of you are talking about just finishing in the top 4..Or worse, outside it...Finishing anywhere outside the top 3, top 2 and not challenging for the league would be an utter disaster! We're the champions! Not Spurs!
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