We've been in decline for a couple of years. We may have been good last season (though not consistently so), but we were excellent once. That's a decline.
Moyes So Far!
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We've been in decline for a couple of years. We may have been good last season (though not consistently so), but we were excellent once. That's a decline.
Yes, because managers never adapt do they? And Eric Steele's recent interview to Mitten shows that SAF advised Moyes to keep the staff, so yeah.
No, that isn't the only point you're making. If it was I wouldn't be bothered with replying to your posts. You're implying that Moyes has hired the wrong staff. If you believe this is the case you should be able to offer up some alternatives, other than suggesting Rene should've been kept on - given that this simply wasn't possible.
He bashes everyone, not just United.
He's a total idiot who thinks that just because he was part of a Wales coaching staff that won a few games he's the greatest coach on Earth. He has a bit of a point regarding the Swansea game where I thought we allowed them to get into some very good positions that they then wasted, but that shit used to happen all the time under Ferguson with Rene.
Get this to your brain : Giggs and Phill is a step down, paint it as you want, but they're fresh noob until "PROVEN OTHERWISE"
And so far, there has been no indication that "THEY" (collectively) have done right behind the curtain, because "SIMPLY PUT WITHOUT BIAS" the result hasn't show anything.
Will they prove otherwise, perhaps. Only time will tell, but as off now, they're still on the "RED"
So, Moyes should adapt right away - meaning that he right away moves away from a hands-on approach and leaves that aspect to Rene Meulensteen, the genius who Alex Ferguson relied on for his success? What's yer point? Do you think Fergie is fuming at the moment - at the fact that Moyes, contrary to everything he told him a couple of months ago, has gone and fecked the whole thing up? Where in God's name is the consistency in this?
Pep didn't have much coaching experience before becoming Barcelona's first team coach, plus I'm sure Moyes wouldn't keep P. Neville around if he didn't think he had potential as a coach. Experience is massive in coaching I agree, but as long as you possess the fundamentals of what it takes to be a coach and have passed the badges without taking short cuts or being let off because you're an ex pro, then you should be alright.
I do worry about whether the senior pro's can take P. Neville seriously and also whether there is enough attacking coaches within that set up.
I do worry about whether the senior pro's can take P. Neville seriously and also whether there is enough attacking coaches within that set up.
No, I'm merely saying it was a fecking alternative, I never said Moyes should do anything. Good one taking the piss out of Rene though, well done.
Get this to yours: You're whining. You're moaning. You're using capital letters without discretion. You're still not providing any alternatives. It makes you look like an uninformed wanker who just happens to react to some poor results. You're not coming across as someone who has analyzed the situation properly. Perhaps your are. Only time will tell, as you say.
Relax, man. Alright - yes, it's an alternative. It was never a plausible alternative, though. Moyes is who he is - for now. He too might change his approach when he becomes a grand old man. Fergie recommended him, knowing what kind of manager he is now - and no doubt having some thoughts about what kind of manager he might turn into.
Many are saying we were playing ugly under SAF as well. That might well be, but it was still better than this rubbish, i mean is it.pure coincidence that since Moyes has come in we're barely scoring goals from open play... Fergie's football did not reach this level of incompetence.
Any business you want to make managing change easy you have a system whereby to a degree you can replace a component and still have the business operating. In football the system would be the whole group of coaching and support staff that help the manager. Ferguson himself said if it wasn't for the team he had built helped him last so long in the game. So ferguson left but the support team and playing team were intact.
A sensible approach something many on here can't seem to fathom probably because they have never run a business or organisation would be to minimise the disruption.
Go for a job interview and what do they look for - experience - who has it? United existing coaching team or the newly installed one by Moyes. Over time it would be prudent to freshen the team up in an orderly manner but when you have a wholesale change then the effects will usually be drastic.
A team that went on to win the title last year at a canter last year somehow looks unrecognisable.
A sensible approach something many on here can't seem to fathom probably because they have never run a business or organisation would be to minimise the disruption.
Go for a job interview and what do they look for - experience - who has it? United existing coaching team or the newly installed one by Moyes. Over time it would be prudent to freshen the team up in an orderly manner but when you have a wholesale change then the effects will usually be drastic.
A team that went on to win the title last year at a canter last year somehow looks unrecognisable.
We have not scored from open play since the start of the season in the Premier League - how long before this isn't a coincidence anymore?
I've said before we appointed him that he is a nothing manager and I just hope by the time he's done with us we are not a fallen giant like Liverpool for the next 30 years.
As it is at the minute, Moyes will make a great fall guy.
Taking over from Fergie was always gunna be an impossible job. Basically the sucessor would have to create some kind of Bayern/Barca hybrid to be considered a sucess next to Fergie.
So Moyes comes in, fecks it up and we bring in the real sucessor who isn't quite so much under Fergie's shadow.
Great plan by the Glazer's to be fair...
Taking over from Fergie was always gunna be an impossible job. Basically the sucessor would have to create some kind of Bayern/Barca hybrid to be considered a sucess next to Fergie.
So Moyes comes in, fecks it up and we bring in the real sucessor who isn't quite so much under Fergie's shadow.
Great plan by the Glazer's to be fair...
I was a fan of Moyes based on his integrity, work ethic and man management at Everton but the football we have being playing under him has been dour. There's mid-table teams that are far more attractive to watch than us now and we are not creating any chances through the middle of the park despite having the best strike force in the country.....as all our attacks are boring cross after cross from the wing that gets easily dealt with. Moyes is sorely missing the midfield playmaking box to box genius that he wanted so badly. I expect him to hit the panic button in January and sign either Song or Herrera if either of them are available instead of waiting for a more proven box to box playmaker by the summer. One has to wonder are we about to become a dull outdated 442 team like Liverpool were when Dalglaish returned for a second stint. On a positive note.....Nani has been looking good...And Januzaj will be a player if he bothers to stick around...
I've never been a huge fan of Moyes - always seemed a bit lacking in charisma tbh. But it's not fair to blame him because United haven't been steadily strengthening the squad in the areas most lacking, over the past few years. He really didn't inherit a brilliant squad. A good squad bit with frailties and lacking the spark which players like Roy Keane used to provide.
Moyes' problem now is that we are quite likely facing another defeat at Shakhtar. Even if we were playing well at the moment I wouldn't have us as favorite to win this match, but with our current state and their record at home, we're going there as underdogs.
i think he has a great squad...
but if he wants to play Ferdinand, Young, Anderson, Buttner, etc etc ahead of better players, is not really a squad problem right?
He still doesn't know what his best squad so he will carry on rotating key players until he finds something he's happy with.
He's embarassing himself, comes across a right bellend
Seconded, he's a complete bellshaft (heard that earlier)
I blame giggs. Can't coach, can't play central midfield. Just go
True. But he has to hurry up then... its been a while now.
Another disappointment has been the way he has played Fellani, especially pushing him up when we are behind. I read today that Moyes has said that Fellani has not got used to our training methods yet. What's he talking about? Fellani should know his methods inside out. And in which case, why is he playing him?
7 points from 6 games, more losses than wins, he's got off to the worse possible start and he's doing mostly everything wrong. He's making the same mistakes Fergie was making towards the end of his reign here except he's not winning matches like Fergie was.
Refuses to drop underperforming players, pissing about with the line up for no reason, stupid subs and sometimes waits too long to change it. Especially annoying with the players he left out today because he would never piss about with his team at Everton. Be yourself, don't try and be Fergie because evidentally you're not very good at it.
We were already playing catch up, why rest players? People will stand up for him, but 7 points from 6 games says it all, its a diabolical return and he'd be sacked at the majority of other major clubs if he started like that there.
Refuses to drop underperforming players, pissing about with the line up for no reason, stupid subs and sometimes waits too long to change it. Especially annoying with the players he left out today because he would never piss about with his team at Everton. Be yourself, don't try and be Fergie because evidentally you're not very good at it.
We were already playing catch up, why rest players? People will stand up for him, but 7 points from 6 games says it all, its a diabolical return and he'd be sacked at the majority of other major clubs if he started like that there.
So when Kagawa and Nani are short of sharpness, Moyes gets criticised for not using them.
When Fellaini is used, but isn't match sharp, Moyes gets criticsed.
Welcome to Redcafe.
When Fellaini is used, but isn't match sharp, Moyes gets criticsed.
Welcome to Redcafe.
I've said it before I was all for giving the guy a chance but not at the expense of a top 4 finish. That's never going to happen with him in charge and the sooner we realise that the better for the club.
Or what about when Moyes starts Valencia and Young, he gets criticised for being too conservative.
Today he plays the players that these same people have been crying out for and, unsurprisingly, Moyes gets criticised for taking too many risks.
Today he plays the players that these same people have been crying out for and, unsurprisingly, Moyes gets criticised for taking too many risks.
I suspect he's decided to give everyone a chance to show him what they can do. Long-term, instilling the belief in players that they will get a chance and it's up to them to take it may be no bad thing, given the size of squad we need.
De Gea
Rafael ???? Vidic Evra
Carrick ????
???? Rooney Nani
RVP
That's our best lineup, it isn't hard and doesn't take three months to figure out. Today he decided against playing three of our absolutely nailed on back four for reasons which baffle me. If it was to do with resting players, it would make sense to rest those players in the week and not have them play in Russia on Wednesday and then at Sunderland on Saturday, unless he doesn't intend to play Rafael, Evra and Vidic against Sunderland, which would mean he ranks an away CL game higher in priority than TWO premier league games, which would be insane. Today it was like he'd listened to all the criticism about squad rotation and just decided to go mental.
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fecking bullshit. If he can get Everton into the positions they have achieved, he is more than capable of achieving top 4 here.
fecking bullshit. If he can get Everton into the positions they have achieved, he is more than capable of achieving top 4 here.
Well done. You've not even selected a complete line up.
We want to see our best player playing together (not only offensive players. Defenders and midfielders also). Is too much to ask?
Not this season he isn't and that could financially ruin our club.
Exactly. That's how it should be. Unfortunately most clubs don't give a manager the time to do this and that is why they usually make a raft of new signings before being sacked.
It's not about the played he picks it's clearly about what he's asking them to do.
Hold on a second, Hernandez and Kagawa were two 'musts' according to the majority on here. Now that they've underperformed they're quickly forgotten about. I don't know how seriously Moyes should take our assessment on what our best team is.
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