Indeed. Tonight is a massive game for him. We have to put in a good performance, if it's another negative game then it could all go down hill for him, even faster than it is now.
Moyes So Far!
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The Cardiff performance was appauling. As have many of our performances this season.
The have been a number of leaks/rumours (more on rumours side) about the players' dissatisfaction over Moyes' training regime and it being more running/fitness orientated rather than 'with the ball'. These rumours are worrying and when I watch this team play this season I see a team that have forgotten how to pay football and aren't enjoying it, it looks to similar to Chelsea under AVB.
I aren't playing like Manchester United. We are going into games determined to avoid loss rather than going in to win. Flip side of this is the impressive stat that we are (I think) 10 games unbeaten.
This mentality comes from one place and that's the management. Against Southampton at 1-0 Moyes took off nani and brought on giggs. Took off Rooney and brought on smalling. We tried to hold onto a slender lead instead of push back Southampton on a counter attack. He did the exact same thing against Cardiff bringing giggs on for (I think) hernandez. Next thing we know we can't get it out of our half and the inevitable happens. Both these were tactical errors that have cost us 4 points.
The team/personnell the have may have its issues but how they are being told to play is not the Manchester United way. It may not just be Moyes, we have to look at coaches etc.
This team looks lost
The have been a number of leaks/rumours (more on rumours side) about the players' dissatisfaction over Moyes' training regime and it being more running/fitness orientated rather than 'with the ball'. These rumours are worrying and when I watch this team play this season I see a team that have forgotten how to pay football and aren't enjoying it, it looks to similar to Chelsea under AVB.
I aren't playing like Manchester United. We are going into games determined to avoid loss rather than going in to win. Flip side of this is the impressive stat that we are (I think) 10 games unbeaten.
This mentality comes from one place and that's the management. Against Southampton at 1-0 Moyes took off nani and brought on giggs. Took off Rooney and brought on smalling. We tried to hold onto a slender lead instead of push back Southampton on a counter attack. He did the exact same thing against Cardiff bringing giggs on for (I think) hernandez. Next thing we know we can't get it out of our half and the inevitable happens. Both these were tactical errors that have cost us 4 points.
The team/personnell the have may have its issues but how they are being told to play is not the Manchester United way. It may not just be Moyes, we have to look at coaches etc.
This team looks lost
Unbeaten records are almost always irrelevant for top sides(unless it's 49!). It's about winning streaks. Being unbeaten in ten with five draws isn't what any top side wants.
With that I agree. But it's unfair to compare the Southampton and Cardiff matches. Bringing on Giggs and Welbeck didn't disrupt our momentum - both Hernandez and Januzaj were having a poor(ish) match. And the chances we created - which should have secured the win for us - involved precisely Welbeck and Giggs doing excellent offensive work.
True. But it's something to build from, at least. We're facing an uphill battle until the team settles and gels properly - the fewer losses the better. Realistically, winning the league shouldn't be our top priority at the moment: Sorting out the fundamentals should be - and when that is done, the winning streaks will follow. Or so we hope.
Bobby Charlton said this last month:
"Manchester United are not a team that can hang around the middle of the table"
He did go on to back Moyes, but somehow I get the impression from that quote that he is not liking what he is seeing
"Manchester United are not a team that can hang around the middle of the table"
He did go on to back Moyes, but somehow I get the impression from that quote that he is not liking what he is seeing
My point exactly, it's not that Moyes has made stupid mistakes/ really bad decisions, it's just all a bit safe for my liking, the manager of Manchester United should be special, not safe. Also, that doesn't translate to we should have got Mourinho, as I wanted someone who wasn't special in the head..
Never heard that if I'm honest. In what context did he say it?
It was in a few of the papers about a month ago. . Can't remember exactly the context of it, but that line stood out to me and seemed to me like a warning. Having said that, he did go on to back Moyes. I must stress that.
The article wasn't Sir Bobby saying "He's shit and all my mates on the Caf think so also"
Well, that could be read in a very different way too: Sir Bobby says he thinks we'll win the league. Hardly an indication that he's having doubts about Moyes. The latter knows bloody well we can't hang around the middle of the table, it's a given.
He may know that, but it won't stop him from shitting himself and he won't be changing his mentality and style.
I'll support him of course and never let my doubts about him go over to rival supporting mates, but I genuinely feel he is not a winner and therefore, is not cut out for this club
Fair enough - we'll just have to wait and see. He needs to master the managing game at a higher level than he has been used to, of course - that was always a condition, if you will. If he can't do that - he won't last. Simple as that.
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No but expecting to drop points or using that excuse considering we have a decent sized squad isn't good enough. It doesn't say much for the players that came in.
Any team would miss the likes of RVP and Carrick, but it's not as if it's reserve standard players coming in. It's experienced full internationals.
I'm not arguing, the team that came in should have won. However, it's just one off the reasons why we didn't get maximum points. You rightly mentioned the players that came in, Cleverley looked lost, Hernandez looked disheartened, the team just didn't click on the day, we didn't play as a team.
The team was missing its spine, it was never going to be pretty as it turned out it was like watching a nightmare.
As I said it's not an excuse, we should have won, what it does show is that our fringe players simply aren't good enough, no matter how much we might think they are.
There were a lot of concerns over Moyes's lack of Champions League experience, but curiously enough; we've been more solid and consistent in Europe than in the league so far.
United to finish 4th in the Prem, then win the UCL
United to finish 4th in the Prem, then win the UCL
I really like the way he has us setup tonight, with a couple of marquee signings we could really go up a level under Moyes. Can't help but feel that having both van Persie and Rooney forces his hand in picking lineups - this could potentially be our best front four.
That was fantastic. I don't understand how that team can often look so lacking technically.
There were a lot of concerns over Moyes's lack of Champions League experience, but curiously enough; we've been more solid and consistent in Europe than in the league so far.
United to finish 4th in the Prem, then win the UCL
I think it's to do with how much we're being pressed (or not), in Europe we seem to be given plenty time on the ball to pass it about without much pressure, whereas in the games we've dropped points in the league we've had the teams get right in our faces.
Well done Moyes, chuffed for him.
That's what I've noticed, and it gives the likes of Kagawa, Rooney, Giggs etc space to play.
I hope he'll get the praise he deserves for the CL campaign and tonight's result.
Yeah, and for that reason this is probably the type of game that Giggs is better suited to - time on the ball to be creative. That said, as bad as Leverkusen were tonight, we were awesome all-round tonight.
I hope this game will encourage him to be more adventurous with his team selections. Our squad is deep enough for him to be more flexible
Did Moyes just say he was happy with the win but he was rather hoping for a draw?
Said he would have taken 5-0 before the game.
Fully agree. Not at all convinced that the club hired the right man for the job, but time will tell I suppose.
Maybe Moyes is not a winner, which is why this year is so crucial. Most of his players are winners and it's important that the club keeps winning and imbues this mentality on Moyes. It is NEVER ok for him to say a draw against Cardiff is ok. He needs to get a sense of urgency when playing these teams to get the wins he should be getting.
In that regard, I think the pressure is on to win the league....before the aged and infirm leave (Rio, Giggs and Evra). A league cup or FA cup win would keep the toe in, but the league is where its at. If Moyes won one, I think he'd start a quest for 12! He's driven, just not "up there" yet.
In that regard, I think the pressure is on to win the league....before the aged and infirm leave (Rio, Giggs and Evra). A league cup or FA cup win would keep the toe in, but the league is where its at. If Moyes won one, I think he'd start a quest for 12! He's driven, just not "up there" yet.
Also, 11 unbeaten now. 7W 4D. That's not too shabby.
Aside from the Cardiff game, there's been a noticeable improvement in the last 8 weeks. That result took some of the progress away from the league after the Arsenal result but we have certainly improved. Win over Spurs is more important due to that draw.
And we conceded stupid last minute goals against Southampton and Cardiff in there, should be 9 wins from 11.
Good stuff. Yesterdays performance should give the team a lot of belief. Those players must be buzzing to play the next game. Hopefully we play with a similar tempo. But I said the same thing after the Arsenal game
Unchanged 11 for Spurs. possibly Rafael)Good stuff. Yesterdays performance should give the team a lot of belief. Those players must be buzzing to play the next game. Hopefully we play with a similar tempo. But I said the same thing after the Arsenal game
Yep this irritates me a lot. Should be 4 pts better off in the league.
What I most liked about yesterday is that we scored yet carried on going forward. Loved it.
Absolutely and it;s those inches that differentiate between good and great. Moyes needs to put the hammer down and if United retain their now usual post-Christmas form, we could be looking good come May.
I don't want to see Fellaini starting - he just is so cumbersome. Woody shelled £27.5m on a huge waste. Another Carrol in the making but we won't be rid of Fellaini for £17m I think we will be lucky to get £10m for him.
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