Mozilla CEO "resigns"

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Mozilla Chief Executive Brendan Eich has stepped down, the company said on Thursday, after an online dating service urged a boycott of the company's web browser because of a donation Eich made to opponents of gay marriage.

The software company came under fire for appointing Eich as CEO last month. In 2008, he gave money to oppose the legalization of gay marriage in California, a hot-button issue especially at a company that boasts about its policy of inclusiveness and diversity.

"We didn't act like you'd expect Mozilla to act," wrote Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker in a blog post. "We didn't move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We're sorry."

The next step for Mozilla's leadership "is still being discussed," she added, with more information to come next week.

While gay activists applauded the move, many in the technology community lamented the departure of Eich, who invented the programming language Javascript and co-founded Mozilla.
A man is seen next to a Firefox logo at a Mozilla stand during the Mobile World Congress in Barcelon …
"Brendan Eich is a good friend of 20 years, and has made a profound contribution to the Web and to the entire world," venture capitalist Marc Andreessen tweeted.

Eich donated $1,000 in 2008 in support of California's Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in the state until it was struck down by the Supreme Court in June.

His resignation came days after OkCupid.com, the popular online dating site, called for a boycott of Mozilla Firefox to protest the world's No. 2 Web browser naming a gay marriage opponent as chief executive.

On Monday, OkCupid sent a message to visitors who accessed the website through Firefox, suggesting they use browsers such as Microsoft Corp's Internet Explorer or Google Inc's Chrome.

"Mozilla's new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples," the message said. "We would therefore prefer that our users not use Mozilla software to access OkCupid."

http://news.yahoo.com/mozilla-says-ceo-resigns-amid-gay-marriage-controversy-195338477.html

Essentially, under pressure from gay right activists, CEO had to resign for a donation he had made to a anti-gay marriage group in 2008.

Is it me, or is this retarded?I'm all for gay marriage but essentially aren't the gay groups being "non-liberal" towards anyone who may have an opposing opinion?

Like this article from New Yorker justifying the resignation
When Brendan Eich stepped down as the C.E.O. of Mozilla, on Thursday, after a mere two weeks on the job, it was perhaps the least surprising C.E.O. departure ever. Eich was one of the co-founders of Mozilla—which makes open-source software, including the Firefox browser—and is a brilliant software engineer who had been the company’s chief technology officer. But Eich was also well known for his opposition to gay marriage: in 2008, he donated a thousand dollars to support Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that sought to ban same-sex marriage. The initial revelation of that donation, back in 2012, led to a welter of criticism that eventually died down. But, by elevating Eich to C.E.O., the Mozilla board brought his past to the forefront once again. While Eich attempted to defuse the problem with conciliatory blog posts and interviews about diversity and inclusiveness, he didn’t actually say that his views on gay marriage had changed. That, inevitably, provoked a uprising within the Mozilla community: a public petition was circulated demanding that he step down, the dating site OkCupid recommended that its customers stop using Firefox, and some Mozilla employees (though far from all of them) called for his resignation.

The obvious point to make about Eich’s resignation is that it shows how much a part of the mainstream that support for gay rights has become, particularly in the technology world. Eich’s problem wasn’t that he took a political stance: Amazon.com’s C.E.O., Jeff Bezos, has weighed in on gay marriage, too, by donating more than $2.5 million in support of it. The problem was that Eich’s stance was unacceptable in Silicon Valley, a region of the business world where social liberalism is close to a universal ideology. At this point, a tech company having a C.E.O. who opposes gay marriage is not all that different from a company in 1973 having a C.E.O. who donated money to fight interracial marriage: even if there were plenty of Americans who felt the same way at the time, the C.E.O. would still have been on the wrong side of history. And since the role of a C.E.O. as a public face of an organization is more important than ever these days, Eich’s personal views were inevitably going to shape his ability to run the company.

That’s especially true because of the unusual nature of Mozilla. Mozilla is not like most companies. It’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation, and is just one part of the broader Mozilla community, which includes thousands of open-source software developers and other volunteers around the world. These people still do much of the work behind Mozilla’s products—contributing code, technical support, design improvements, and so on. This means that Mozilla depends on the goodwill of its supporters more than most corporations do; it relies on their willingness to donate their services in pursuit of the broader Mozilla project, which is all about keeping the Web transparent and accessible. If it alienates them, Mozilla’s entire mission will be at risk.

Eich tried to turn this fact to his advantage. In interviews, he repeatedly spoke about the need to respect the diverse views of Mozilla community members. (He alluded to countries where there’s less support for gay rights, like Indonesia, to make the point that the socially liberal views of many vocal tech users aren’t universal.) In effect, he was saying that keeping politics out of Mozilla was the way to keep the community together. But there was something self-evidently odd about the pairing of Eich’s rhetorical support for diversity with his financial support for denying legal rights to gay people. More important, while his views may be in sync with those of Mozillians in Indonesia, they were obviously out of step with the views of many of the most influential Mozillians—as well out of step with Silicon Valley, which is where the entire project was born.

On top of all this, Eich wasn’t even seen as a slam-dunk choice to run Mozilla in the first place. As the Wall Street Journal reported weeks ago, some Mozilla board members wanted to hire an outside C.E.O., presumably to shake up the organization, which has struggled to make inroads into the mobile business. Three of the company’s six board members actually resigned before Eich was appointed. (The company claimed, rather implausibly, that the resignations were unrelated to the C.E.O. search.) Eich himself told VentureBeat that the board had interviewed twenty-five candidates before settling on him; he even wondered aloud why they didn’t pick Jay Sullivan, who was the other internal candidate for the position.

The real mystery here, then, is not why Eich stepped down but why he ever got hired in the first place. His unquestioned technical ability notwithstanding, this was a candidate who divided the board, who had already been controversial, and whose promotion was guaranteed to generate reams of bad publicity. In that VentureBeat interview, Eich said of the C.E.O. job, “I was asked to put my hat in, and at first I didn’t want to.” Everyone involved would have been better off if he’d just listened to that impulse.
The world is fecked
 
Boycotting a product because of ideological opposition either to the product or the people in charge of the company is nothing new. And there's nothing wrong with it, it's a good way of protest.
 
Forcing people to resign for their political viiew is silly. If the Company were to officially put forth an ant-gay stance, I understand.
 
Who is forcing who?
This is what OKcupid had to say about it.
"Mozilla's new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples," the message said. "We would therefore prefer that our users not use Mozilla software to access OkCupid."
That's the insane part. How does the CEO's personal opinion be grounds to demand anything? since most organizations like Mozilla rely on consumers, they have to then react and cut loose the employee in question.

Like I said, you can boycott if the organization is taking an anti-gay stance in its official capacity. But people have the right to opinions and just because you believe in a cause strongly, you can't be the judge and jury on it.
 
This is what OKcupid had to say about it.

That's the insane part. How does the CEO's personal opinion be grounds to demand anything? since most organizations like Mozilla rely on consumers, they have to then react and cut loose the employee in question.

Like I said, you can boycott if the organization is taking an anti-gay stance in its official capacity. But people have the right to opinions and just because you believe in a cause strongly, you can't be the judge and jury on it.


They are expressing their views. If okcupidites agree and decide to stop using mozilla that's up to them. If Mozilla determines this to be an unacceptable cost, that's up to them. I don't think anyone is being forced.
 
They are expressing their views. If okcupidites agree and decide to stop using mozilla that's up to them. If Mozilla determines this to be an unacceptable cost, that's up to them. I don't think anyone is being forced.
Of course its arm twisting. Its akin to saying that you can't be a silicon valley CEO if you have a personal opinion which conflicts with libertarian ideals. You can't allow personal opinions to be used as a barometer for boycotting entire organizations.
 
Of course its arm twisting. Its akin to saying that you can't be a silicon valley CEO if you have a personal opinion which conflicts with libertarian ideals. You can't allow personal opinions to be used as a barometer for boycotting entire organizations.

It's not just an opinion. He is actively trying to restrict the rights of a group of people.

He's entitled to his views but other people are entitled to express their distaste with said views.
 
Heard about it on Twit. Don't agree with him but he shouldnt have had step down because of it..
 
It's more than just a political issue though - if he'd been made to resign because of an opinion on taxation or healthcare profvision or something it would be different.

But this is an issue of equality - I now a lot of people see it differnetly, but to those effective it is analgous to any other prejudice - repression of women, racial segregation etc. And I think most people would agree with the guy resigning if found to be actively aiding those causes.
 
It doesn't necessarily say that he is homophobic, might be a very religious person and might think that gay marriage should not happen in a church. I think this will probably stem from something else, web browsers are very profitable and Mozilla is a non-profit organisation. Who owns Ok-Cupid, invests in them? Competitors will be ramping this up as much as possible and making it out to be a bigger deal than what it is.
 
I saw this in the news. He shouldn't have resigned, there were no grounds for firing him. Shows how sensitive the average liberal is nowadays. Reminds me of the Chick Fil A controversy.
 
It's not just an opinion. He is actively trying to restrict the rights of a group of people.

He's entitled to his views but other people are entitled to express their distaste with said views.

Actively? He gave money to an organization opposed to gay marriages SIX years ago.
 
It's more than just a political issue though - if he'd been made to resign because of an opinion on taxation or healthcare profvision or something it would be different.

But this is an issue of equality - I now a lot of people see it differnetly, but to those effective it is analgous to any other prejudice - repression of women, racial segregation etc. And I think most people would agree with the guy resigning if found to be actively aiding those causes.

Precisely. Plus, its Mozilla - they market themselves as open source and the anti establishment browser
 
He's entitled to those views but OKCupid and everyone else are entitled to boycott that person and companies affiliated with him too.

This is what happens when you have backward ideas in 2014.
 
Yes liberals need to stop being intolerant of discriminatory behavior.

No, just mind your own damn business. (not you specifically)

He probably got a huge check, so I'm sure he'll be fine. If someone is against gay marriage or whatever, there's no problem with them donating money towards a cause they believe in. Fight the injustice in court.
 
He's entitled to those views but OKCupid and everyone else are entitled to boycott that person and companies affiliated with him too.

This is what happens when you have backward ideas in 2014.

Yes, no one is disputing that. We're just saying he shouldn't have been binned because of that.
 
No, just mind your own damn business. (not you specifically)

He probably got a huge check, so I'm sure he'll be fine. If someone is against gay marriage or whatever, there's no problem with them donating money towards a cause they believe in. Fight the injustice in court.


You are so eager to protect his right to be a bigot (which is good, free speech is important. but this is not a free speech issue)

Why are you so unwilling to do the same for my right to say "hey, he's a bigot"?
 
He donated a substantial sum for the express purpose of restricting the rights of others. And he succeeded.

How did he specifically succeed? Is all the gay oppression down to him and the money he donated SIX years ago?

It's not like he ia pressuring all Mozilla employees to hate gays.
 
Yes, no one is disputing that. We're just saying he shouldn't have been binned because of that.

Well surely thats up to Mozilla to decide. They obviously felt that his attitude and views on gay marriage reflected badly on the company and had to go. I don't think he's been hard done by here.
 
How do you know for certainty that he is against homosexuals? He might be against homosexuals getting married in a church. Which he and anyone else that is a devout follower of religion is entitled to having, going by the context of such beliefs.
 
How did he specifically succeed? Is all the gay oppression down to him and the money he donated SIX years ago?

It's not like he ia pressuring all Mozilla employees to hate gays.

Prop 8 was successful. I think it's obvious that he succeeded in his goals. I don't know why you think in saying "all gay oppression" is down to him. That's a rather odd straw man you've built.


I'm not saying he should be fired. I'm saying it's perfectly fine for people to call him a bigot and call for his firing. The fact that whoever he answers happened to agree is a separate issue. I'm sure conservatives won't see it this way but this is a great example of letting the market decide.
 
How do you know for certainty that he is against homosexuals? He might be against homosexuals getting married in a church. Which he and anyone else that is a devout follower of religion is entitled to having, going by the context of such beliefs.


Preventing gay people from getting married is anti-homosexual, by any definition of the word.

Whether that feeling comes from a place of hate or religion fueled ignorance is beside the point. If people say "your view is bigoted", you don't get to respond with "no, no, it's okay. I don't hate gay people, I'm just religious and I don't think they should have the same rights as everyone else".
 
You are so eager to protect his right to be a bigot (which is good, free speech is important. but this is not a free speech issue)

Why are you so unwilling to do the same for my right to say "hey, he's a bigot"?

I have no problem if based on his personal beliefs you called him a bigot, and started using Internet Explorer. I have a problem with saying that he is unfit to lead a company based on his personal belief that he does not impose on others or discriminates on.

Would you have the same opinion if he voted for Proposition 8? Or was a Republican?
 
Preventing gay people from getting married is anti-homosexual, by any definition of the word.

Whether that feeling comes from a place of hate or religion fueled ignorance is beside the point. If people say "your view is bigoted", you don't get to respond with "no, no, it's okay. I don't hate gay people, I'm just religious and I don't think they should have the same rights as everyone else".

I'm not saying it is right but I could understand that point of view if it wasn't forced/preached with hatred. Just something to take into consideration, maybe.
 
I have no problem if based on his personal beliefs you called him a bigot, and started using Internet Explorer. I have a problem with saying that he is unfit to lead a company based on his personal belief that he does not impose on others or discriminates on.

Would you have the same opinion if he voted for Proposition 8? Or was a Republican?

I don't think he's unfit to run a company at all. I just don't think he (or anyone else) can complain that the powers that be at a company doesn't want to be associated with him.

Would you be saying the same if he'd donated to the KKK or something similar?
 
I'm not saying it is right but I could understand that point of view if it wasn't forced/preached with hatred. Just something to take into consideration, maybe.

Could well be something he's got from religion, doesn't excuse it though.
 
I have no problem if based on his personal beliefs you called him a bigot, and started using Internet Explorer. I have a problem with saying that he is unfit to lead a company based on his personal belief that he does not impose on others or discriminates on.

Would you have the same opinion if he voted for Proposition 8? Or was a Republican?

I think that for a company that constantly professes it's commitment to equality and diversity, having the number one public figure donate to pass hateful legislation raises some serious questions. These questions should be answered the mozilla board (or whatever their structure is) and they were. People who protested him merely raised the questions.

I'm not sure what your second part is getting at.
 
Prop 8 was successful. I think it's obvious that he succeeded in his goals. I don't know why you think in saying "all gay oppression" is down to him. That's a rather odd straw man you've built.


I'm not saying he should be fired. I'm saying it's perfectly fine for people to call him a bigot and call for his firing. The fact that whoever he answers happened to agree is a separate issue. I'm sure conservatives won't see it this way but this is a great example of letting the market decide.

The same way you think the issue succeeding is directly related to him donating the money. One strawman deserves another.

Personally, I think its a bit silly he got fired over this but agree with your general opinion. The company felt it reflected bad on them, so fired him. Am arguing whether they should have fired him over this, not that it wasnt within their right to do so.
 
Preventing gay people from getting married is anti-homosexual, by any definition of the word.

Whether that feeling comes from a place of hate or religion fueled ignorance is beside the point. If people say "your view is bigoted", you don't get to respond with "no, no, it's okay. I don't hate gay people, I'm just religious and I don't think they should have the same rights as everyone else".

I don't think that's quite correct. Being against Gays and against Gay marriage are two separate things. You could have a live and let live attitude to homosexuality, yet have religious or traditional reasons for being against Gay marriage.

If it's been drummed into your head that marriage is a sacred vow of commitment between a man and a woman before god, then I could accept that you might be against a same sex marriage without necessarily harbouring any ill will towards homosexuality in general.