Agreed better on the right than valencia who should play on left now or maybe inside.
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You're such a frigging weirdo.
What do you mean "isn't given a real chance"?
Surely the sane thing to say there would be "if Obertan doesn't make the grade?"
Not even going into you writing Valencia off completely.
He wasn't writing valencia off man just saying Nani should stay on right which to be truthfull is correct.
You're knit-picking at that? Seriously?
I haven't wrote Valencia off, just said hat Nani plays better on the right.. You're a fecking idiot.
Maybe I'm making a mistake by interpreting your words using the English language. Help me out here. What do you mean, "not given a real chance'?
You're saying sign another left winger which clearly implies Valencia is rooted to the bench whenever Nani is available. I'd say that's writing him off.
Heh. The irony.
Valencia is a very important player for us. He offers different things to Nani. Valencia keeps possession better, is much more valuable deffensively wise and is more of a team player than Nani. When Nani gets the ball, it's like "me, me, me". When Valencia plays with the ball, it's rather "we, we, we". Personally, I like Valencia more than Nani. The latter is more gifted on the ball though and is more likely to create something out of nothing.
You're making a mistake by replying to my post with the intention of an argument and making insults, even when theres nothing to argue about.
Not being given a chance means hes not being picked to start, even with Valencia and Giggs out. Parks been atrocious apart from yesterdays game, and Evras even played on the left wing ahead of Obertan. Now, that's not exactly being given a chance is it?
No, it's not writing him off, having witnessed both players play the position I've decided I prefer Nani on the right. Writing Valencia off would be if I judged him when I hadn't even seen him play there at his best.
Sissies. All of ye.
Thanks for the clarification. Turns out I didn't misinterpret you at all. You were just talking balls, as usual.
Blimey. You actually don't know what it means to write someone off. Mental.
and what's wrong with that again?
Nani has been proving that he is a better option on the right than Valencia is and that's hes better on the right than on the left (i was arsed i'd dig out some posts of yours where you claim something different).
I say lets stick with Nani on the right as long as as he in form and delivers. and hes doing just that right now.
Nani's defending is underrated. Can't see how Valencia is any better in defending than Nani.. He just looks bigger imo.
Watch back to WestBrom and Nani has been constantly harassing the LB's and winning some decent tackles too... Some eventually leading to goals.
Watch back to WestBrom and Nani has been constantly harassing the LB's and winning some decent tackles too... Some eventually leading to goals.
As far as getting the most out of squad is concerned, I see no problem in playing Nani on the "wrong" wing (which most modern wingers do these days anyway) and Valencia on the right. It's not as though we play with wingers who stick to the same wing for 90 minutes. Our wingers constanly swap flanks anyway.
Besides, feck knows what Fergie has planned for Nani, long-term. He could well follow the same path as Ronaldo and play him mainly through the middle.
Signing another left winger and relegating Valencia to the bench so long as Nani is fit/available makes no sense at all.
That is not the case when Valencia plays though, since his one-footedness prevents this.
One of the reasons Park's been allowed to be more involved in attack. If the staff begins to see a tad more in Nani's development, odds are Park goes back to being a 'defensive winger' and Nani gets a free role.
They swap flanks less frequently but it still happens. For example, the OG against Brum at St Andrews last season came from Valencia and Evra linking up on the left.
I wouldn't be surprised if Valencia and Park would be a bit similar, if they were to shift on the LW, they'd be better off cutting in the center where they can cause more damage while leaving the crossing to Evra if needed...
Football doesn't necessarily need a good cross from LW if you are good and provide decent chances from the center.
Football doesn't necessarily need a good cross from LW if you are good and provide decent chances from the center.
Kid's hit the big time now hasn't he. Now he needs to stop diving and whining like a pussy and he'll have the lot.
So Valencia is only a month or so into his injury after having had a fantastic debut season, playing a very big role in Rooney's goal haul and people are already forgetting him to play Nani on the right and we should sign a new left winger. Brilliant.
I agree. People are forgetting quite how good he was last season.
But Nani's rise (on the right) does really give Ferguson a headache. Does he keep him there, or move him over to the left?
Personally, I think Nani is adaptable enough to be able to translate his good form onto the left flank.
Valencia on the left really isn't an option.
thing is... that evra cant cross for shit.
The problem we have is Valencia is excellent at right wing whilst Nani is brilliant there. Till Nani can transform his brilliance to both flanks, that headache will remain.
TBF we should sign a left footed left winger regardless. Bar Giggs none of our wingers is brilliant on that wing. They largely all excel down the right.
That's pretty much the quandary.
Nani has greater adaptability so the responsibility falls onto him to reproduce the goods on the left. I think he's capable.
Last night, and in recent weeks, it looked to me like there was no way anyone on the pitch could get the ball off him - especially yesterday.
He's improved drastically over the last months - the potential was always there and I'm happy for him, he's now found the right mix in his decision-making.
He's improved drastically over the last months - the potential was always there and I'm happy for him, he's now found the right mix in his decision-making.
He's already shown it on the left, my recollection of games is shocking but I think I'm right in saying he had a brilliant game on the left against Bayern amongst others. He is in high form and in confident mood, if he keeps that up there's no reason he can't maintain it on the left when Valencia returns.
I always thought we were light on the wings anyway (Giggs cant play there all the time, Park is finding form but hit and miss), but we have to also face the possibility (and i hope im wrong) that Valencia wont come back the player he was so getting a player in to cover that role isnt a bad idea - even if it is just to ease Valencia back into football.
Still i dont really think we need to buy, with the likes of Bebe, Cleverley and Obertan to come through its not exactly vital we get a left sided player.
You are right. But on the left he is still normally inconsistent Nani for the most part
The only reason is he is yet to do it. I suspect it will take him time just like getting into his current form took him some time. It's just a pity Valencia's injury robbed him of a season's worth of practice on the left.
Clueless, as usual.
Theres nothing wrong with Nani's defending anyway, he does his fair share. His main job is to create and score goals, which hes been doing.
This argument didn't just spring up over the last month. Many have been calling for Nani's permanent inclusion on the right flank for approaching a year. He's a far better player than Valencia.
And i think I'm right in saying Nani has already equalled, if not bettered Valencia's "fantastic" debut season KPIs in just 10 games. He has more goals and assists and the seasons just a couple of month old. Im really not sure why some people get so excited about Valencia. Average throughout much of 09/10
We should look for a player of similar ability to play on the left. A natural left winger who can stretch the play and also contribute with goals and assists.
I'm perfectly comfortably with using Valencia as a sub, it's BAU when you have a better player available.
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And on a side note, Valencia can not swap flanks and interchange. One goal at St Andrews is hardly going to alter something so fundamentally obvious about him. He's an incredibly limited player. But will do a job in a squad role
But it would be great to have one post Giggs. That is why Cleverly could prove crucial if he ever proves first team material. He seems to be able to use his left naturally.
We will never use Valencia on the left because he'd be useless there, he doesn't have a left foot and he's not very good at cutting inside (though he's done it too seldom to judge). Nani, on the other hand, is very good at cutting inside, and fast enough to create space to produce better delivery there, he won't cross it as good as he does on the right but it'll still be decent and I reckon goals he could produce from in there will more than make up for it - like Robben at Bayern, he doesn't possess the greatest right foot in the game but he does well on the right hand side.
KPIs?
Christ...
Christ...
Personally, I think the notion that he's way better on the right than the left is a bit overblown. He's as two footed as they come.
In the long term, he'll have to adapt to that side because we can't be leaving Valencia out once he's back.
Yeah it would be nice to bring in a experienced left sided player, but i reckon Giggs has one more season left in him by the summer of 2012 you would hope Obertan or Bebe would have stepped up.
Suggest otherwise?? I've seen you respond to others the same way in your defence of Valencia. You don't seem to offer much else though
Robben's just one name from a long list of quality modern wingers that play on the same wing as their weaker foot. Nani's more two-footed than most of them too.
Nani's strength is fantastic.
What the chuff are KPIs?