Nani

I am very very suprised by this thread.

I said I had never seen a change of opinion on a player so quickly, when at the start of the season, most of you who had probably doubted him in the past, claimed that now Ronaldo was gone, he was performing much better, and must play in every game.

It now seems some of you have gone back to your old opinions.

This is true, After a few games he was getting plenty of praise from all quarters for having strepped up from previous years.

he's not even had a bad game tonight and he's getting slated.

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I'm not sure anyone has said they were, to be honest. The only way to get better as a corner taker, FK taker, penalty taker etc is to keep taking.

Remember how shit Ronaldos free kicks used to be?

Nani is more than able to swing in good corners and crosses, and he's shown that on quite a few occasions, but naturally he's not going to be perfect at it yet. I still stand by the fact that he is the best corner taker we have, bar Giggsy.

You're saying that as if it's a good thing. If anything, it shows that we have a deficiency in the amount of capable corner takers we have. Giggs is 35 and isn't going to start every game. Nani is never trusted with the big games. Where does that leave us?
 
yes....what I'm still not happy about though is his decision making

we almost scored from one of his crosses today, but nevermind

Ah, so he managed a good cross against a Wolves defence.

I'm delighted, as Fergie will be.

I'm not sure anyone has said they were, to be honest. The only way to get better as a corner taker, FK taker, penalty taker etc is to keep taking.

Remember how shit Ronaldos free kicks used to be?

Nani is more than able to swing in good corners and crosses, and he's shown that on quite a few occasions, but naturally he's not going to be perfect at it yet. I still stand by the fact that he is the best corner taker we have, bar Giggsy.

I'm not expecting him to be perfect at it. I just expect him to deliver a good ball when he has the time and space to do so, which he rarely does.
 
His crossing was rubbish tonight. But by and large when he's on the left and coming inside onto his right foot, his crossing is better than any of our other players except maybe Giggs on a good day. Tonight he played on the right and it required different delivery to his normal kind and it wasnt very good at all.
 
And as I pointed out in a previous post, with Ronaldo you could see the progress he was making. Nani, however, has not really done anything this season that he didn't do in the small amount of cameos he made in his first season, despite starting a number of games.

I disagree. Ronaldo didn't make a tremendous amount of progress in the three years before his breakout season. That entire time he was capable of moments of utter brilliance, followed by moments of utter failure.

My point, however, was related the to Ronaldo of now, one-of-the-greatest-players-in-the-world Ronaldo. Even as he was being amazing for us, he still frustrated the fans and his teammates frequently. Even in matches where he ran the show there'd be at least three or four occasions where the crowd would be a little antagonistic towards him because he'd do something that'd piss us off a little bit.

Being frustrating does not correlate to talent or the ability to "make it" at United.
 
Yes, but what they way you said it made it seem like it was the divine right of every winger to take the corners. Just because you play on the wing doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be able to whip in a good corner.

Uh no, no I didn't, not at all, can you read? All I said is that a winger SHOULD be good at crossing the ball, other wise they wouldn't be a great winger, would they? Seeing as taking a corner involves crossing the ball to an extent, they should probably be quite good at that too.
 
You're saying that as if it's a good thing. If anything, it shows that we have a deficiency in the amount of capable corner takers we have. Giggs is 35 and isn't going to start every game. Nani is never trusted with the big games. Where does that leave us?

And that's Nanis fault is it? He's hardly not trusted for the big games, do you just invent this shit or something? Obviously you're going to take Giggs, an experienced legend on high form ahead of a 23 year old winger in the big games.
 
I disagree. Ronaldo didn't make a tremendous amount of progress in the three years before his breakout season. That entire time he was capable of moments of utter brilliance, followed by moments of utter failure.

My point, however, was related the to Ronaldo of now, one-of-the-greatest-players-in-the-world Ronaldo. Even as he was being amazing for us, he still frustrated the fans and his teammates frequently. Even in matches where he ran the show there'd be at least three or four occasions where the crowd would be a little antagonistic towards him because he'd do something that'd piss us off a little bit.

Being frustrating does not correlate to talent or the ability to "make it" at United.

Well that was more down to him being a cnut, rather than his inability do the simplest functions.
 
Uh no, no I didn't, not at all, can you read? All I said is that a winger SHOULD be good at crossing the ball, other wise they wouldn't be a great winger, would they? Seeing as taking a corner involves crossing the ball to an extent, they should probably be quite good at that too.

There are different kinds of wingers. Park for example has very average delivery. You never see him take a corner, you never wonder why.
 
Sorry Elvis but i can't help but think your talking bollocks.

yes his final ball needs working on, but overall this season theres been a marked improvement from nani - if it continues that way then he will be a first choice winger before the season is out.

I know you said earlier you hope to be proven wrong - i'm sure you will be.

Could you tell me these games where he has made a 'marked improvement'? I can think of only the Wigan game when we won 5-0.

The rest he has been average at best.
 
The problem with Nani is he thinks he is far better than he actually is. Every game I have seen him in this season he has been poor. He's good at taking it past people, and he certainly knows how to hit a shot, but his final ball is just, in a word, shit.

Pogue you say his crossing is better when he has more to aim at, look at the Community Shield when we had Rooney and Berbatov up front. His crossing was woeful than and hadn't shown any signs of improvement upon last season.

There's a reason he is only being played in the 'lesser' games so to speak, because he hasn't developed well and he obviously isn't doing well enough in training for Fergie to consider him for the first XI.

As I said, it would not surprise me in the least if he was shipped out at the end of the season, be it on a loan where he can get regular football, or a permanent transfer.

1. You haven't seen many games then.

2. His final ball has been impressive this season apart from this game. The left foot cross to Rooney vs Birmingham is an example.

3. Lesser games like vs Arsenal? He's lost his way recently a bit but for a long while he was first choice from the start of the season.

fecking hell. Some people... Nani had a very good game, I'm actually very sure if another player had a similar game they wouldn't be slagged off as much. Maybe people just find Nani's face annoying or something to come out with half this shit.
 
And that's Nanis fault is it? He's hardly not trusted for the big games, do you just invent this shit or something? Obviously you're going to take Giggs, an experienced legend on high form ahead of a 23 year old winger in the big games.

How am I making it up. Name me the big games he's started since he's joined us. Go on.
 
I'm not expecting him to be perfect at it. I just expect him to deliver a good ball when he has the time and space to do so, which he rarely does.

Oh stop making stuff up, you're basing that purely on tonight, a match where he had very limited options for passing and crossing.
 
1. You haven't seen many games then.

2. His final ball has been impressive this season apart from this game. The left foot cross to Rooney vs Birmingham is an example.

3. Lesser games like vs Arsenal? He's lost his way recently a bit but for a long while he was first choice from the start of the season.

fecking hell. Some people... Nani had a very good game, I'm actually very sure if another player had a similar game they wouldn't be slagged off as much. Maybe people just find Nani's face annoying or something to come out with half this shit.

Good post....This whole thread is a joke tbh
 
Er... he's twenty-one? I doubt he'd start that many "big games" because in those games you go for experience every time.

Er...well he's twenty two for a start. A player bought for around £17m would have been expected to have started to secure his place in the line up for big games after 3 seasons at the club. It's no coincidence he starts against the likes of Wolves in the Carling Cup, rather than Besiktas in the CL.
 
Er...well he's twenty two for a start. A player bought for around £17m would have been expected to have started to secure his place in the line up for big games after 3 seasons at the club. It's no coincidence he starts against the likes of Wolves in the Carling Cup, rather than Besiktas in the CL.

Do you hold the same opinion for Anderson?
 
As a piss-poor WUM myself, I have a finely tuned ability to detect others, and my WUMmy sense is tingling in this thread.

I wish this was the case, but it just seems to me that some won't give the lad any credit at all.

Some players will always have their knockers no matter what they do and unfortunately Nani is going to be one of those players.
 
Er...well he's twenty two for a start. A player bought for around £17m would have been expected to have started to secure his place in the line up for big games after 3 seasons at the club. It's no coincidence he starts against the likes of Wolves in the Carling Cup, rather than Besiktas in the CL.

:lol:

You really are clueless. feck off
 
Do you hold the same opinion for Anderson?

No. As he's started against the likes of Barcelona (Where he was terrible along with most of the team) in the CL final and the derby this season.
 
1. You haven't seen many games then.

I have seen him in every game this season. Don't presume to tell me I haven't seen many games, it doesn't strengthen your argument, and just makes you sound like an arrogant tosser.

2. His final ball has been impressive this season apart from this game. The left foot cross to Rooney vs Birmingham is an example.

It hasn't been impressive. See Chelsea in the CS, see Arsenal, see the majority of the Birmingham game. For the positions and space he often finds himself in, he should be delivering a better quality of ball.

People really are blinded, simply because he is a United plater.

3. Lesser games like vs Arsenal? He's lost his way recently a bit but for a long while he was first choice from the start of the season.

He was poor against Arsenal, as were most of the team that day.

Oh stop making stuff up, you're basing that purely on tonight, a match where he had very limited options for passing and crossing.

OK, if you say so. I'm basing my opinions on one of our players purely on how he played against Wolves in the Carling Cup on a cold Wednesday evening.
 
Er...well he's twenty two for a start. A player bought for around £17m would have been expected to have started to secure his place in the line up for big games after 3 seasons at the club. It's no coincidence he starts against the likes of Wolves in the Carling Cup, rather than Besiktas in the CL.

Big game indeed
 
I wish this was the case, but it just seems to me that some won't give the lad any credit at all.

Some players will always have their knockers no matter what they do and unfortunately Nani is going to be one of those players.

I'm one of Nani's supporters but tonight he did not play well, I wish I could say he did but he didn't do it for me tonight. I have to stay objective here, he slowed attacks down, his crossing was atrocious and he kept dwelling on the ball and making wrong decisions. I'm genuinely stunned at some reactions. If he does not play in the following match I wonder how many people would say "how come, he was so good against Wolves? You didn't see my 7?"
 
I'm one of Nani's supporters but tonight he did not play well, I wish I could say he did but he didn't do it for me tonight. I have to stay objective here, he slowed attacks down, his crossing was atrocious and he kept dwelling on the ball and making wrong decisions. I'm genuinely stunned at some reactions. If he does not play in the following match I wonder how many people would say "how come, he was so good against Wolves?"

Slowed down? he was the only who actually had something to offer in our attack.

The end product wasn't there tonight, but there was reason why the players all gave him the ball.
 
Slowed down? he was the only who actually had something to offer in our attack.

The end product wasn't there tonight, but there was reason why the players all gave him the ball.

That's the problem, it never is there. If he's struggling against Wolves, how do you expect him to cope against a better quality opposition?
 
Slowed down? he was the only who actually had something to offer in our attack.

The end product wasn't there tonight, but there was reason why the players all gave him the ball.

People just don't see that...
Must be a WUM this thread