That's simply just not true. In fact it was his end product which people praised in his first season. He then had that horrendous last season, and has started very well this season with 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games. That's end product.
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That's simply just not true. In fact it was his end product which people praised in his first season. He then had that horrendous last season, and has started very well this season with 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games. That's end product.
I've already acknowledged he had a very good first season. Then, as you said, he was pretty damn poor last season.
This season I've not seen much to change my mind. Sure he's got a couple of goals, but his fundamental weakness in his game hasn't improved.
Now he's getting the stats out...Pure comedy
Hold on there, you asked me to tell you if he started a big game, then I pointed out that he did, don't go giving me that bollocks to try and make up for your idiocy. And for the record, the majority of the team was fairly rubbish in the Arsenal match, so don't go giving Nani stick for it.
The "clueless" remark was because of the fact that he DID start against Besiktas in the CL, contrary to what you may think.
Nothing you said has warranted an argument, you're an idiot. Get your facts right before you start criticizing players in future.
Are you actually contributing anything. Why don't you just leave the thread if you're not going to contribute to the debate other than jumping on the back of what other people have been saying and making little snidey remarks.
He's proving his point, which is more than you are doing.
What point? That he doesnt start big games?
I think he was referring to the fact that Nani actually played against Besiktas mate.
Another thing, he pissed all over Wolves tonight, the thing he lacked had nothing to do with Wolves' quality.
He just needed to pass the ball backwards in some situations, which doesn't matter whether it's Barca or Preston - getting into those positions in the first place is the difficult part, and he aced that.
I fail to see your point.
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So goals and assists aren't the important thing then?
His weakness has been his inability to cross or pass at the right time, despite possessing a great touch, great dribbling and good short and long range finishing (in general).
This season, for the most part he has HUGELY improved on that, but he's hardly going to magically get rid of those flaws in his game in a few months, but there have been far less than previously.
That his passing/crossing is not up to scratch.
He made a mistake about a player who played in a match, big deal. If you can all name me the starting XI's for all the matches we've played this season without referring to the actual line ups I'll take your point.
Fair enough I put my hand up to the fact that I got it wrong with him starting the Besiktas game. The stats actually prove the point that he never really does anything of note in any of the big games he's been given the chance in. I can pull up more of those to back that point up if you want. I don't really see the point in name calling, as you just come across as a bit of a dick if you can't have a debate without resorting to name calling.
I'm just getting on the back of what you have been saying so far in this thread, mind you
He's scored against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.
That wasnt his point though.
I wasn't aware we had played Liverpool this season.
Papa Bouba Diop has scored against us and Chelsea. What's your point?
Wrong
Erm. Yes it was.
How is it?
No. You said he doesnt start big games.
We said Arsenal isnt a big game then and all of a sudden you come up with your stats.
The stats prove nothing, wingers are always going to have a lower pass success ratio than the likes of defenders and midfielders, because wingers have to cross the ball and try make the through balls which will usually be headed away by a big cnut of a center back.
Like Top pointed out, nani has 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games this season, that's a stat for you, isn't it? If you just looked at those 'stats' and not watch him play, you'd probably consider him to be a pretty damn good winger wouldn't you?
His original point was that his end delivery is shit.
feck me you're an idiot.
feck me you're an idiot.
I'm not talking about just this season.
He's 22 and hasn't even been a starter, plays on the wing too.
This is about as much incite as you've shown all night, do you ever actually offer up any kind of explanation or argument or do you just stick to stupid little quips?
God you're tedious.
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Someone then tells you that Nani has in fact scored in quite a few big games.
Which you of course dismiss.
Then he's hardly the only one in this thread.
Look Nick, you have posted at least pretty sensible in this thread.
But this lad just comes up with one wrong fact following the next...it's not worth offering explanations.
The stats prove nothing, wingers are always going to have a lower pass success ratio than the likes of defenders and midfielders, because wingers have to cross the ball and try make the through balls which will usually be headed away by a big cnut of a center back.
Like Top pointed out, nani has 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games this season, that's a stat for you, isn't it? If you just looked at those 'stats' and not watch him play, you'd probably consider him to be a pretty damn good winger wouldn't you?
Well it does prove something because look at the places his passes are coming from. How many times is he passing from somewhere on the wing. Of those passes from the wing, how many were successful?
The point in bold: Yes, you'd think he was a good winger. Then you'd look at the quality of the opposition those goals have come against and his remaining contribution to the game as a whole and come to the conclusion that he isn't all that.
Not everyone can play Liverpool in their first 8 matches of a season. Begs the question, why didnt Nani organise our matches better?
At least I've tried to back up my arguments Top.
Is that directed at me?
His end delivery isn't shit, and posting a stat where he has a 66% pass ratio hardly proves that, does it? He's said a lot more other than his 'original point' as well.
You're the one dissing people for not producing stats and facts themselves when you haven't posted a single one yourself, all you've done is slate Nani.
His pass for Berbatov's huge chance against Tottenham is up there with the best passes you'll see from a United player this season.
The cross for Rooney's goal against Birmingham was inch perfect as well.
He was known as one of the best crossers in the team during his first season, you don't just suddenly lose that, and he's proven that this season as well, even if it's been a bit more erratic.
He's started this season very well, and he was the only player tonight who looked like creating something.
Absolute retarded logic. You can have a great cross without the striker getting on the end of the ball. In fact in 07/08 there could've been great crosses to Rooney and Tevez, but just because they don't get on the end of it doesn't mean its the crosser's fault.However as someone has pointed out, Nani has 3 assists, says a lot for someone with "bad end product" apparently.
Well what the feck was last season about?
I agree with Top for once.
This thread is ridiculous.
This thread is ridiculous.