His passing is a problem. The Daily Telegraph have his stat for today's match at 65% for accurate passing. That's something he needs to work on.
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Well said.
But I can even accept it that some people don't think he'll never come good. I think they are wrong and I think he has shown very promising signs this season but obviously they are entitled to have an own opinion.
However, everybody who doesn't support a player whilst he wears the red shirt is an embarrassment to United, and unfortunately there are many of that kind. No patience, no love for the game - I bet it's the same kind that booed Ronaldo in his first two years just to celebrate his goals in the following years. Hypocrites of the worst kind.
Poor Nani, he's unlucky not to be English.
Eh...yeah I guess I am. I kind of like to form my own opinions based on what I'm looking at. call me old fashioned.
I once heard SAF tell the fans that Ralph Milne was a great player
For me it's arrogent to dismiss someone of Sir Alex's judgement bearing in mind he's very rarely wrong.
If you sit there and say he's shit! your saying that Sir Alex is blind...
And just to cover my arse slightly. Yes I slated foster, but I wouldn't say Sir Alex's magic touch works that well when it comes to goalkeepers. I seem to remember him saying Italians were the best and he's not bought one since Massimo (think I spelt that right)
What the hell?
What would you say about Fletchers first 100 games?
None of our players were good at passing the ball today though.
Look, you didn't even see Nani's second half performance - so what are you expecting to see?...
You seem to be under the illusion Ronaldo was always a great player...I got news for you. He ****ing weren't. The first three years he was not. Did you or did you not dislike the player (Ronaldo)? It's very simple....
He was inconsistant, selfish, he moaned a lot, he wasted God knows how many free kicks, he was diving shamelessly in the 2006 - to the point where they wouldn't give him the best young player ...
The fact is if Sir Alex can be paitent why can't you? Do you not think he sees what goes on the pitch too?...
There are some players that can do no wrong. There are some players that can do no good.
I would say he looked like a decent player. and a good addition to the squad. he still does. then again I would have a fit hargreaves ahead of Fletch. But back to Nani. What has he done so far to merit the leap of faith so many are desperate to make for him?
really? how many of his first 100 were on the right then? The position where he was absolute pants?....
who are we talking about now?
I was happy with Nani today. Though things didn't go too well. He worked hard. He won the ball back time and again when he or a team mate lost it. His delivery was much better in the second half. & the groans from the crowd didn't discourage him one bit. Fair play to the lad.
fletcher...
when he was introduced for a good while he played on the right and the his 'supporters' were rare...he's only turned that round in the last 2 or so years in his favoured position
Funny that. People have me down as a "Berbahater" but when he deserves it, like he deserves it today, I give him all the credit he deserves.
I've no idea why people cant do the same for Nani. Especially given he's only 22 years old. I bet the same people would have slated Ribery at that age, but are now desperate for us to sign him.
why are we talking about Fletcher? I'm giving my opinion of Nani
Why are you attacking Fletcher?
He's got feck to do with Nani, a player who cost a lot of money and who hasn't improved at all in two and a half years.
Even at his worst, Fletcher improved from one season to the next. It's the lack of improvement from Nani that is the hardest to take. He was better in his debut season, if anything.
Some were ok.
Vidic 93%
Evra 90%
Welbeck 90%
Scholes 85%
Evans 83%
Fletcher 80%
O'Shea 78%
Berbatov 73%
Nani 65%
Rooney 63%
Defenders will generally have good passing success rates but Evra's was particularly high considering he plays as a left winger when we have the ball. I thought he did very well.
Because he was moved into his favoured position and given a consistent run of games. People were making opinions on Fletcher based on him being a winger which he is not.
It is different with Nani. He is playing in his favoured position.
1. Thing I've noticed. He just can't beat his fullback. Even Evra beats his man more and Nani hasn't shown the pace he showed in his debut year. He's just looking more and more predictable and that isn't helping his game while his crossing still has a big question mark and to the stats 65% passing is full-backs stats. I'm sure Evra made way better passes. Is he taking passing lessons from O'shea ?
That is my main concern regarding Nani. His rate of progression is not that good. If anything, as you said, he was better in his first season. He is at the age where normally a player would tend to improve.
The point is we're talking about a player who hasn't even played 90 games for the club yet.
When you look at our wingers he's the best winger we have.
If you don't rate him, how can you rate any of our wingers?
Nani has attracted really harsh critism. No wonder he's always on the phone to Ronaldo.
There is no doubt he's inconsistant but if you see the second half, that was a player stepping up and that was encouraging..
But the supporters really need to take to him. You maybe right, but I disagree and agree with Sir Alex. I think it's up to him but the supporters need to get behind him
His attitude was miles better in the second half and that's not to do with consistancy for me but rather confidence or words from sir alex
There is never any benefit of the doubt. I was listening to waddle on espn and he was saying how nani was not great in any of the games - and I just thought what a cnut. Just another jumping on someones back. There's no question when he's poor he's poor but what we should be interested in , is ensuring he reaches his potential.
Look the reality is, he's potentially our best winger. Better then park. Better then Valencia. I'm excluding giggs - he would be clearly but the fact is we can't keep holding on to giggs as a winger.
So Nani was 8% behind our best player on the day? Not exactly a mare is it. Could have been better, could have been worse. And I mean, the only reason Welbeck's wasnt lower was because he didnt actually put crosses in. Which means Nani had to do that even more-so else nobody would have been getting the ball into the box.
O'Shea put in most of the crosses I think and set up the goal!!! His passing rate was still 65% and Berbatov's (although possibly our best player and definitely our best attacker) had a very low success rate also. Saying Nani was only 8% off our best player is fairly inaccurate. It's still 65% which was only worsened by a completely off form Rooney.
He's able to beat his man well, but its after that initial stage where he tends to come unstuck. He doesnt have any strength to his game and defenders and midfielders are generally able to recover enough and put pressure on him, and he's not able to freely move past them. He has lots of technical ability, but he's very lightweight on the ball and that has hindered him a lot when it comes to going past players. Quite often he'll almost get clear, but not quite manage it.
Everyone was off form. And this is important, because the whole team struggled to make good passes and make good runs to receive passes. Sunderland did their jobs very well, but we didnt really rise above it like we should have been able to given the gap in quality of our players and theirs. Everything was incredibly difficult for us including the passing and, not to take anything away from O'Shea, who would have been one of my top 4 players today, but it tended to be only him who was afforded much space to be given the ball.
hes an expensive signing that has shown no improvement over his united career and if anything is more frustrating now than ever. you see what you want to see.
That's very true. Well nani is trying to make supporters look to the future without Ronaldo and giggs in a year or so.....
It's like the guy that replaces Sir Alex if you ask me. Can't win..
Fair enough, but to be fair to O'Shea, he was the one getting the space and making use of the ball. He was the outlet that every other player failed to be. Sunderland deserved their point with the way they played.
me or Sir Alex?
look, he has a good start to the season and it's quickly forgotten isn't it? Two bad games and a dodgy half and there's no improvement.......is there?Last time I looked he had a pretty good second half.
I agree.
The problem is that people are comparing Nani to Ronaldo. It just can't work. It cannot work in Nani's favour. Ronaldo is one of the best wingers ever. If Nani is expected to do what Ronaldo did, we will all be in for disappointment. He is not Ronaldo. He is not Giggs. They were/are exceptional players. It's similar to everyone comparing every midfielder to Roy Keane. It's unfair on the players.
I'm surprised with Welbeck's 90%.
He did very well with his passing, but he didnt really create anything or put balls into the box. The one time he did he tried to play a grounded pass to Berbatov, which he was unlucky with to be fair. But compare that with how many other crosses we put into the box before we were able to get the ball into the net twice. If he plays wide he needs to play those safe passes a tiny bit less often and make sure he gets a few balls in towards the strikers. Else that responsibility is all going to be on the other winger and that would make us a lot more predictable. All in all I've been happy with Welbeck's performances on the wing so far, though.
who was attacking fletcher?
Oh and btw fletcher gave the ball away cheap for the second goal, but yeah who was attacking fletcher? Me? Now I would have remembered if I did...
My point was that a lot of people didn't accept the fact he was playing out of position and now he's doing well, it's like people have to find a new hate figure
People need to understand the pressure on nani and the need for support from the supporters...
It never ends, should never end until the day Sir Alex gives up - if he ever does. While he's here, I'll recognise he's fighting a tough battle and accept it'll take time for him to be accepted by a fair few people
I thought it was the ref who gave the ball away to be honest.
me or Sir Alex?
Last time I looked he had a pretty good second half.
it wouldnt be the first time SAF told the world what a good player he had and then flogged him shortly after now would it. I see no improvement from the player we bought a few years ago. Thats my opinion and I feel the fact that his improvement is even debatable kind of proves that point
I'm surprised with Welbeck's 90%.
That's what the stats on the Telegraph pages say anyway?
some are. others are judging Nani on his own merits
But Ronaldo just keeps popping up regardless, rightly or wrongly!
it might have been would have to see it again. I just remember fletcher trying to play a 5 yard pass and them getting the ball and breaking on us.