Nathan Delfouneso

Scholesy said:
I like reading your posts datura, and cannot reply to them in the reserve forum, but I believe you must see also that Delfouneso was very good today.

Macheda was effective, but Delfouneso was effective plus quality. He never gave the ball away once. Sharper, quicker - he is super quick - and more clever. I don't think Macheda is a special player, and neither is Welbeck. It is very hard for some people to accept that they are not going to be our future. What will happen, that once they see more and more of them, they will start to believe what I am seeing and eventually give up. I am a big fan of William Keane, and alot of our other young players, but Macheda, no.
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Delfouneso played well, and got the goals, but the best Villa players were Bannan and Albrighton, and Wiemann was also a real threat, Delfouneso just got on the end of things and benefitted from a poor display by De Laet.

He was neat and tidy, but did nothing to really distinguish himself as being 'special'. I'm pretty sure he did give the ball away a few times, but he also played conservatively whereas Macheda was trying to make things happen and was the main creative outlet in our side, hence why he was involved in all 3 of our goals. It's great to see him adding to his game as last season he was seen as solely a goal scorer. This type of development shows how redundant it is making judgement on players futures before they have time to mature.
 
Elliott said:
That's rich coming from a guy who rates Fraizer Campbell higher than Bojan.

https://www.redcafe.net/f6/fraizer-campbell-watch-216994/index5.html
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To be fair, the chief was just saying that Campbell is superior to Bojan in terms of physical attributes like pace, which cannot be improved much, whereas the areas which Bojan was better in could be improved on with more experience.

It's like saying Micah Richards would make a better centreback as compared to Evans, if he actually manages to grow some brains, as Richards is just physically superior to Evans, and Evans would find it hard to build up his physique to one which would match Richards.
 
cj4_elmo said:
To be fair, the chief was just saying that Campbell is superior to Bojan in terms of physical attributes like pace, which cannot be improved much, whereas the areas which Bojan was better in, eg brains for the games, could be improved on with more experience.
It's like saying Micah Richards would make a better centreback as compared to Evans, if he actually manages to grow some brains, as Richards is just physically superior to Evans, and Evans would find it hard to build up his physique to one which would match Richards.
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You are born with these talents.
 
cj4_elmo said:
To be fair, the chief was just saying that Campbell is superior to Bojan in terms of physical attributes like pace, which cannot be improved much, whereas the areas which Bojan was better in could be improved on with more experience.

It's like saying Micah Richards would make a better centreback as compared to Evans, if he actually manages to grow some brains, as Richards is just physically superior to Evans, and Evans would find it hard to build up his physique to one which would match Richards.
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Correct.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Bullshit. At Wilshere's age Zidane didn't look even half as intelligent as Wilshere does now. But I'm very sure Wilshere is unlikely to become as good or better than Zidane was at his peak.
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You do this all the time Chief, you say something about an old player when they were a teenager as if you can remember watching them play yesterday.
 
Scholesy said:
About the brain, not the overall player.

Wilshere is a good example. Young player, exceptional brain.
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Not true. Look at Nani, Ronaldo etc etc. All with very raw talents who in their early seasons lacked "brains". Through hardwork and training and experience they developed that.

SAF will take raw talent anyday
 
Scholesy said:
You do this all the time Chief, you say something about an old player when they were a teenager as if you can remember watching them play yesterday.
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I do it because I DO remember! I'm sick and tired of people trying to make up things like you and others do about players and their development trajectory. People on here love to pretend that all the players they idolize now were just as good when they came out as they are now. It's fecking irritating. It's like many of y'all never watched these players when they first started out.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I do it because I DO remember! I'm sick and tired of people trying to make up things like you and others do about players and their development trajectory. People on here love to pretend that all the player they idolise now were just as good when they came out as they are now. It's fecking irritating. It's like many of y'all never watched these players when they first started out.
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Ok.
Why did Zidane's brain improve - according to your memory -, but Wilshere's will not improve - it is already great.
 
cj4_elmo said:
To be fair, the chief was just saying that Campbell is superior to Bojan in terms of physical attributes like pace, which cannot be improved much, whereas the areas which Bojan was better in could be improved on with more experience.

It's like saying Micah Richards would make a better centreback as compared to Evans, if he actually manages to grow some brains, as Richards is just physically superior to Evans, and Evans would find it hard to build up his physique to one which would match Richards.
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Correct.
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Dum-di-dum

x42bn6 said:
Bojan is better than Campbell.
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I don't agree.
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But I digress. Could someone, a mod perhaps, kindly explain to me exactly what Scholesy has done to warrant a ban from the reserve forum?
 
datura said:
He had a rant about Macheda, saying that he hated him and hoped he wouldn't make it at United. He had some previous as well and it culminated in the ban.
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Cheers. The previous better be pretty grave if that was the final straw.
 
Elliott said:
But I digress.....
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Yes you do. Wrongly I must add. If you want to quote someone, I suggest you quote there post properly:


Red Indian chief Torn Rubber said:
I don't agree. I don't have to look at his record to make up my mind either. I just have to watch both play.
If Campbell had been at a Barca he'd have got his chance much earlier than he has here. Campbell is stronger, faster, as good with either foot and a good finisher. Not bad at link up player either. Can beat a man well too. He may not be as intelligent as Bojan but he is no dummy either. I've little doubt Campbell, barring injuries and given proper playing time and can go on to be a Drogba or an E'too in a year or 2. Two players whom at their best I'm sure are better far than Bojan as it stands now.

Besides for me I dont like my strikers small and weak. I like them tough. So your damn right I prefer Campbell to Bojan and wont make any appologies about it.

& to just reiterate what I mean about chances. Look at Rossi. He hardly got a sniff here, but is currently a key member of the team that was the second best in Spain last year.
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tbf, this was always a spasticated statement:

I've little doubt Campbell, barring injuries and given proper playing time and can go on to be a Drogba or an E'too in a year or 2.
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If I could sign one Villa reserve team player, based on yesterday's game, it wouldn't be Delfouneso (I thought Macheda was arguably the best young striker on the pitch anyway) it would be their right winger, Albrighton. He looks like a serious talent.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If I could sign one Villa reserve team player, based on yesterday's game, it wouldn't be Delfouneso (I thought Macheda was arguably the best young striker on the pitch anyway) it would be their right winger, Albrighton. He looks like a serious talent.
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Dudgeon got done over time and again by him, but his crossing was more miss than hit. But that can be worked on, he has all the elements to be a very good winger.

And i thought Diouf was more impressive than Macheda, but then again he was actually playing down the middle whereas Kiko was coming in off the left.
 
Xander45 said:
Dudgeon got done over time and again by him, but his crossing was more miss than hit. But that can be worked on, he has all the elements to be a very good winger.

And i thought Diouf was more impressive than Macheda, but then again he was actually playing down the middle whereas Kiko was coming in off the left.
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Diouf looked more likely to score but I think that was because he was playing in a more advanced positions.

I was really impressed with Macheda's touch and passing (even though they didn't always come off). He's developing into a much more well-rounded striker than the goal poacher he looked in his first-team cameos. Two top class penalties too.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If I could sign one Villa reserve team player, based on yesterday's game, it wouldn't be Delfouneso (I thought Macheda was arguably the best young striker on the pitch anyway) it would be their right winger, Albrighton. He looks like a serious talent.
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Hush now. No logic or realistic consideration of talent allowed in this thread - we must discuss whether Wilshere will be better than Zidane, whether Campbell is better than Bojan and whether Delfouneso is in fact the Second Coming.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
You watched Zinedine Zidane a lot when he was 18?
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I started watching him when he was about 19-20. He never really came into his own till he started reaching 23. He was a top talent but raw compared to what he eventually became. It was when he neared 25 that he started becoming the Zidane that is currently a legend to all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Diouf looked more likely to score but I think that was because he was playing in a more advanced positions.

I was really impressed with Macheda's touch and passing (even though they didn't always come off). He's developing into a much more well-rounded striker than the goal poacher he looked in his first-team cameos. Two top class penalties too.
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The conversion SAF did on Andy Cole is beginning in earnest on him. It will be a joy to behold when it's complete.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It wasn't. It was based on conditionality. Not stone cold assurances.
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Spasticated conditionality.

I could say the same about Michael Owen, but we all know it's not going to be tested because he won't get the playing time and won't stay clear of injuries. But hey, because it's conditional, I'm not proven wrong. wahey.


Campbell was never ever going to become another drogba or eto'o. And certainly not in that timeframe.
 
B9 said:
Spasticated conditionality.
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You wish.

B9 said:
I could say the same about Michael Owen, but we all know it's not going to be tested because he won't get the playing time and won't stay clear of injuries. But hey, because it's conditional, I'm not proven wrong. wahey.
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Bullshit comparison really. Owen is not a kid coming though the ranks is he? He is also a known crock. Campbllw ans't at the time.

People underestimate what having proper chances at a top club like Barca has done for Bojan's career thus far. At any other club he'd be no where near first team duty. First team football does wonders to a player's development.

B9 said:
Campbell was never ever going to become another drogba or eto'o. And certainly not in that timeframe.
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That's just your opinion. We'll leave it at that.
 
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