81 people were beheaded in Saudi over the weekend. If Newcastle fans are happy to be owned by a country that is still mostly living in the 11th century, that’s up to them. Regarding Russia and Chelsea, it was made clear way back that Ambramovich had made his fortune by bribing government officials which is corruption in anybody’ language. He is also linked with Putin and his finances according to a Panorama programme last night. We have welcomed him and his money and mates here which is shameful. Almost as shameful as nobody questioning the involvement of the UAE in the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Yemen for the last seven years along with the Saudis. But then we do sell them lots of arms so the media thinks it’s ok then.
Newcastle United now owned by the PIF | PL receives "legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control NUFC" ;)
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Money has always been in the hands of the corrupt. Governments and media have also been influenced by financial backing. Let’s not pretend this is new. The sheer hypocrisy of people directing their views on Chelsea is nauseating. You could probably find dirt on every owner in the league.
I know this is tongue in cheek, but i fully agree. City, Chelsea and Newcastle are sportswashing successfully if we prohibit talking about the human rights issues at the heart of the success their owners have bought. "Let football be football" is fine if the club ownership did not build success off the back of human rights abuses.
Oh a lot of truth is said in jest.
I wouldn’t moderate comments on Newcastle along political/football lines. That’s the approach that led to Roman/Chelsea.
I’d be completely ok with every Newcastle related thread descending into a debate on human rights.
I wouldn’t be the one to drag it there. Sometimes I’d get sucked in and just appreciate how spellbinding Saint-Maximin can be. But I don’t think it should be moderated.
‘Constantly’ Have they Fcuk. Every now and again without follow up and never aggressively.
City have got off with the lightest of interrogations.
No, I get where you are coming from. I just think you, like the UK papers I’ve been reading are vastly overestimating the importance of the “oligarchs”. When they pressure them, they are trying to create a situation in which SOMEONE with access takes a shot at the madman. Internal pressure. But they don’t have the resources to affect the conflict much one way or another. It takes GDP level money for a war. The US, for instance, spends near a billion dollars PER F35 raptor. It would be like suggesting sanctioning Bill Gates could stop the US from waging war. It’s not true and Ill informed.
The Saudi State, however IS an ally of Putin right now. Directly. In fact, since China is balking at support, they could arguably be Putins most key ally. We literally can’t do anything about it, but the least we could do is say bug off if they try to buy into even more cultural institutions. In wake of what’s happening with Chelsea, maybe all ownership groups should be looked at closely. On that I agree with you.
It really is. And it was surprisingly sad when he sees the girl in the crowd and remarks on how pretty she is. And the San Saba Songbird is so great.I wasn't prepared for the level of crazy. Also, that's a helluva film.
Thank you for reminding me of this!
Yeah that bit with the girl in the crowd at the gallows kinda choked me up too. There are so many brilliant moments in that film. The only tale I don't like is the super depressing 'freak show' one...just because it's bleak af
My god that is one is depressing. I didn't like the last one on first viewing, but I gave it another a chance and its brilliant as well! I loved them all, but the first is my favorite, followed by the one with the girl and the Indians. Just great all around.
Sorry to everyone else for going off topic.
I think capital punishment is abhorrent but let's not pretend as if the Saudis are the only people who do this.
No offense but he doesn’t have to condone anything. The media is pathetic and tiresome. “If you don’t say you’re against it that means you agree with it” is essentially the type of shite they’ve been spouting since Vlad went mad.
I don’t particularly like Eddie Howe but he didn’t do anything wrong. The only cowards are people like you creating/nurturing a bullying Culture.
Eddie Howe was bullied.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...er-league-to-approve-saudi-newcastle-takeover
What's that you say about "sportswashing"? The UK government engaging in it?
Anyways.
What's that you say about "sportswashing"? The UK government engaging in it?
Anyways.
What a surprise.
Its ok. What can we do, eh?
I mean, everyone has known this for a very long time.
Quelle surprise.
Let's not hope for a Russia-style fallout for UK-Saudi or Gulf relations.
Let's not hope for a Russia-style fallout for UK-Saudi or Gulf relations.
If it turns out I can't rely on Boris to be a paragon of moral virtue, I don't know how I'll go on...
You could say the same if Hitler owned Chelsea…….
Who said Saudis are the only people who do this?
I did think that they'd have been OK with seeing it happen but knowing that they actively pulled strings to make it happen is embarrassing.
How is this different from Abramovich? It’s worse, isn’t it?
Like I said before- IF ONLY we were whiter than white - so let’s not kid ourselves, if we were owned by them it wouldn’t bother us in the slightest. Let’s stop bleating about the success of others and get our own sorry house in order………
Think you’ll find a large % of this forum would stop following the club if we were owned by the Saudis.
Speak for yourself. It may not matter to you one bit as it’s self evident from your post but it matters to a lot of people. It’s sad that some people just support united as long as it’s brings success regardless of the cost of that success even if it comes from a tyrannical human rights abusing regime like the saudis. I hope all united fans understand the ethos of our club abit more and know what our values are and what the club stands for. There is a limit to everything mate and a line nobody should cross.
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Don't project your feelings onto us. If we were owned by them that'd probably be it for a lot of us.
Being purchased by an oppressive regime is now considered successful?
I mean, I agree about getting our act together as a club but you should stop assuming everyone would bend over for owners like that, it's genuinely disgusting.
Also, most United fans want an owner who doesn't pump money into the club, just allow us to spend what we earn.
Absolutely. The day we are owned by a state fund, specially from a state such as that one, is the day I walk away from this
This sounds very reassuring.
Oh wait, bugger.
So what other favourable outcomes and bent rules can Newcastle get from the UK Government if MBS picks up the phone, calls Boris and threatens to buy weapons from someone else?
Absolute farce, football as a competitive sport will be done in the very near future.
Oh wait, bugger.
So what other favourable outcomes and bent rules can Newcastle get from the UK Government if MBS picks up the phone, calls Boris and threatens to buy weapons from someone else?
Absolute farce, football as a competitive sport will be done in the very near future.
Joined right around the time the Newcastle takeover was getting pushed through.
Only 5 posts all related to the Newcastle takeover.
any1abotaccount?
They can spend like there no tomorrow, as FFP is a joke. Only the clubs who generate there own money are supposed to abide by the rules.
CITY have taken them and CAS for a ride, what's the bet Newcastle will do the same or FFP will be more diligent with them as CITY have already got away with it.
I said when there ban was overturned it was the day football died. Countries with astronomical wealth have ruined football.
How many more clubs are we going to see going to the wall, and these people, along with the government need to do something. Are CITY a club people appreciate? Are they a club that's steeped in history? Now after the Arabs there making History for what reasons.
Newcastle are now going to do the same, other clubs and fans of other clubs will have to just except it.
In next 5 years top 2 in premier City - Newcastle.. the others will have to just pick up the scraps, is this the Premier league perceived when it was introduced 30 yrs ago.
CITY have taken them and CAS for a ride, what's the bet Newcastle will do the same or FFP will be more diligent with them as CITY have already got away with it.
I said when there ban was overturned it was the day football died. Countries with astronomical wealth have ruined football.
How many more clubs are we going to see going to the wall, and these people, along with the government need to do something. Are CITY a club people appreciate? Are they a club that's steeped in history? Now after the Arabs there making History for what reasons.
Newcastle are now going to do the same, other clubs and fans of other clubs will have to just except it.
In next 5 years top 2 in premier City - Newcastle.. the others will have to just pick up the scraps, is this the Premier league perceived when it was introduced 30 yrs ago.
I think we need to check who exactly owns and contributes (share holders) to our club - BEFORE throwing stones. Every club has its skeletons…….I think we’ll find that a significant one of ours is a Saudi owned oil company.let’s get our own house sorted rather than moaning about the success of others. Some clubs were built in the backs of the slave trade- are we suggesting they get expelled too?!
Not exactly a skeleton like, it’s fairly recent
I haven't murdered any journalists recently. I feel pretty comfortable throwing stones.
The Premier League is a rich persons game.
They either need to level it off, with salary caps etc, so it’s a level playing field, or just scrap the idea of FFP altogether and let it be a free for all.
In its current guise, FFP doesn’t work, so what’s the point?
No multi billionaire gets that amount of wealth, without upsetting someone along the way.
They either need to level it off, with salary caps etc, so it’s a level playing field, or just scrap the idea of FFP altogether and let it be a free for all.
In its current guise, FFP doesn’t work, so what’s the point?
No multi billionaire gets that amount of wealth, without upsetting someone along the way.
Feels like all of your suggestions don't matter much in EPL
Winners of EPL in the last 10 years: Manchester United, Chelsea, Leicester City, Liverpool, Manchester City.
Bayern Munich won all 10 without violating FFP at all.
Montpellier, AS Monaco, Lille have managed to win Ligue 1 without spending comparable to PSG's. while in EPL, United , Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool (Tottenham, Everton , Aston Villa, Leicester,/etc) are able to spend big.
So there were legally binding assurances that the Saudi government is not involved in the running of Newcastle - which will be run by the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF).
That's a weird name for an entity not run by its government.
Maybe I will check out its website then.
The name of the website is https://www.pif.gov.sa
What could 'gov' stand for in the website?
That's a weird name for an entity not run by its government.
Maybe I will check out its website then.
The name of the website is https://www.pif.gov.sa
What could 'gov' stand for in the website?
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