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Next United manager 2020/21 edition
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
There's quite a few I would like: Nagelsmann, Rose, Hasenhüttl, even Marsh from Salzburg would be an option. Say what you want about the Red Bull clubs, but they know their shit when it comes to managers and players as well.
Bielsa would also be an option as would be Potter, but I am not really confident if the latter can really make the step up. But right now, there really are a boatload of managers who could do a better job than Ole.
In any case, each manager is set up to fail here unless something fundamental changes. And no, I don't even mean the board or Ed etc. It's this unhealthy obsession with past glories and "the United way" that glorifies ex- and current players.
Think about it, Giggs was forced on LVG as assistant, same with Carrick and Jose, now Ole must contend with Phelan, Carrick and McKenna.
It's the same reason we hold on to shit players for far too long, this sentimental attitude of rewarding our players for their "loyalty" and past achievements. All those guys, including Ole, are not in their respective position out of any merit but ties to the club. And most, if not all, are simply not good enough for what they're paid handsomely to do.
Jusr get specialists in, refardless of the club they used to play for for once and maybe our fortunes may change. SAF never had an ex-player working under him, I wonder why.
Bielsa would also be an option as would be Potter, but I am not really confident if the latter can really make the step up. But right now, there really are a boatload of managers who could do a better job than Ole.
In any case, each manager is set up to fail here unless something fundamental changes. And no, I don't even mean the board or Ed etc. It's this unhealthy obsession with past glories and "the United way" that glorifies ex- and current players.
Think about it, Giggs was forced on LVG as assistant, same with Carrick and Jose, now Ole must contend with Phelan, Carrick and McKenna.
It's the same reason we hold on to shit players for far too long, this sentimental attitude of rewarding our players for their "loyalty" and past achievements. All those guys, including Ole, are not in their respective position out of any merit but ties to the club. And most, if not all, are simply not good enough for what they're paid handsomely to do.
Jusr get specialists in, refardless of the club they used to play for for once and maybe our fortunes may change. SAF never had an ex-player working under him, I wonder why.
Marco Rose or Nagelsmann.
Pochettino's availability will probably see him in if he's still out of a job in January.
I’d like him but I don’t think it would work with our players. Leeds don’t really have any stand out individuals. The character make up of their squad suits Bielsa.
Humble journeymen hardworking individuals.
We have a lot of egos and individuals at United. They wouldn’t respond to Bielsa. They’re far more likely to go crying to their agents and the board.
As much as I want us to have a proper coach, you can get one who isn’t a intense and strict as Bielsa.
Watford, Newcastle, West Ham, Newcastle, Blackburn, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Tottenham, Southampton....need I go on?
I agree. I'd rather us bag the 'next big thing' in management tbh. Someone who takes us forward tactically as a football team.
This is spot on.
We need to decide how we want to play first.
If it comes down to replacing Ole then I hope we go with a coach with a modern defined play style and I wouldn't look past Marco Rose or Nagelsmann.
I think Ole will be sacked during this international break.
We need a two stage solution. If we are committing to intense pressing, then we have to rebuild that way to the point where one of the gold managers will come. So Poch first, then Nagelsmann maybe.
oc Glazers and Ed won't do any of this.
Graham fecking Potter !!!
Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Barcelona and more.... need I go on? Not sure what kind of point you thought you were making
It should be someone who can actually coach a team to play football, with United I feel they're being patient with the wrong managers instead of getting someone young with a modern approach if you really are trying to build long term instead and willing to be patient; so it could be someone like Pochettino or Nagelsmann.
If the club can’t even handle the basics of buying, selling, and retaining players, then I don’t know how we can expect any manager to succeed here.
A manager works for the club, not the other way round.
Maybe we can get Klopp guys? Villa is leading 7-2 vs his team, and board can't accept that right, so he might be open tomorrow!!!
Either way, it ends up in the same place.
What was Mike Phelan's relationship with him then prior to taking the assistant manager role, his postman?
What was Mike Phelan's relationship with him then prior to taking the assistant manager role, his postman?
Haha, fair enough, my bad
IF Ole has to leave, I really dont see the point in trying to answer this question without the structure of the club changing.
I think OGS got a lot out of this squad after lockdown. Maybe a more tactical coach like Nagelsman sounds exciting, but none of these are his players, or may not fit his way of playing, ditto Poch (whom i really don't rate at all). So you'll need 3 more transfer windows to alter the squad, but all these coaches need a smart DoF to bounce their ideas off and for support.
I'd rather that the Glazers sack Woodward, or at least appoint VDS as football czar, allowing him to appoint a DoF and then let that duo decide what the way forward should be.
Appointing a just a new manager will achieve sod all. But if we really have to go this route only, throw the bus at Bielsa.
I think OGS got a lot out of this squad after lockdown. Maybe a more tactical coach like Nagelsman sounds exciting, but none of these are his players, or may not fit his way of playing, ditto Poch (whom i really don't rate at all). So you'll need 3 more transfer windows to alter the squad, but all these coaches need a smart DoF to bounce their ideas off and for support.
I'd rather that the Glazers sack Woodward, or at least appoint VDS as football czar, allowing him to appoint a DoF and then let that duo decide what the way forward should be.
Appointing a just a new manager will achieve sod all. But if we really have to go this route only, throw the bus at Bielsa.
Absolutely hands down it should be Nagelsmann just as absolutely i said after Ferguson it should have been Klopp. As things are, it appears no manager is going to get backed properly in the transfer market. For me only Pochettino and Nagelsmann I can think of as managers who can be both shrewd in the market, work well with young players, organise the team to play pressing high tempo football and most importantly get the best out of players here. But Nagelsmann just has start quality for me and has done amazingly at such a young age
This.
Just because he would rip Woodward & the Glazers at least 7 new anuses each, for breakfast.
Marco Rose or Hassenhuttl. Gets the best out of our players but wouldn't work with Ed.
Poch wouldn't work because he needs good full backs. I know we are signing Telles but AWB would be a major concern.
Poch wouldn't work because he needs good full backs. I know we are signing Telles but AWB would be a major concern.
Only one man for the job
Poch
Poch
Wouldn’t worry too much about AWB if he carries on even Ole will be getting rid
VDS.
And then let Ole get on with it.
And then let Ole get on with it.
Allegri or Ten Hag. Either would be a great choice.
Poch
You'd like Allegri with his football?
Pochettino with ole as DOF and Woodward back signing pillow sponsors
Just get manager who is not defensive oriented.
At least someone who is capable of setting up teams that know what they are doing, have a gameplan, establish a distinct identity.
Ten Hag or Nagelsmann come to my mind.
At least someone who is capable of setting up teams that know what they are doing, have a gameplan, establish a distinct identity.
Ten Hag or Nagelsmann come to my mind.
Ancelotti
He's football is nothing like you think.
Because having VdS at the club will suddenly give Ole some experience and tactical nous that will enable us to have a style of play?
So Ole can find another Maguire to throw 80 million at?
I don't think it's as bad as some say, but probably not as good as you think.
Why are you so high on Allegri's football?
Allegri will coach Chelsea, we'll get Poch. It's all written in the stars.
No, because we need to address the complete lack of long term football leadership and strategic direction. Ole is not a top tier manager, but people who think changing gaffer will be the silver bullet are fecking delusional.
Like Ancelotti and Zidane,they get the job done. We historically a club that gets the job done. His football has a great balance between attack and defending. He's shown he's a winner and shown he can match any coach going around today on an individual game basis.