I don’t even want Ole sacked, but this is mental, how much backing is enough for a “fair crack of the whip?” 500 million? 600? What club not owned by a state can afford to spend these sums every summer?
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I don’t even want Ole sacked, but this is mental, how much backing is enough for a “fair crack of the whip?” 500 million? 600? What club not owned by a state can afford to spend these sums every summer?
There is no easy and obvious alternative for the Board to turn to so Ole will be here next season whether we finish top four or not.
We’re screwed either way really, persist with someone who is nowhere near good enough or hope board can somehow stumble on a good successor.
We’re screwed either way really, persist with someone who is nowhere near good enough or hope board can somehow stumble on a good successor.
He’s gone at the end of the season. We won’t finish top 4. Not a chance we won’t win enough games between now and the end.
There's a number of good coaches who adopt a brave approach to playing the game that could be brought in. We shouldn't get fixated on one or two names if it comes to replacing Ole.
We'll should be looking outside the box for the next manager, but we won't be. The most left field managerial decision Woody has made was hiring Ole as caretaker in the first place.
Did I say he did?
Did I say he did?
Agreed. I would happily take him now. He seems to have a knack of making things look easy and given that he is still at Everton, there is plenty of life in him yet.
Not sure who else I would take after that? Nagelsman maybe, though the three games I have seen of RB this season they have been shite and I know very little else about him.
Left of field choice......Fletcher maybe? No before you ask, I have nothing other than a hunch to say he could do well.
Anyway, get Carlo, yes we may have to compensate Everton but it would be well worth it.
I don’t want an old manager like Ancelotti anywhere near the team, it’s just not what we need. We have a young and exciting squad, I’d like to see us match that with an equally exciting young and ambitious coach. Personally, I like what I’ve seen of Leipzig and I’d be willing to give Nagelsman an opportunity.
Too many issues not to think about a new manager now. Our current position is built on sand.
Too much flattery, at the moment. We are second through sheer luck that Liverpool came crashing down from last season. This is not through our own improvement.
We are second on the goal scoring totals, mainly due to a freak result. Outside of that, we are massively outperforming our xG. People are dismissive of this, but it is not sustainable. This is beginning to tell now with three goalless draws.
We are actually scoring less per game than the season Mourinho was sacked when you take away the Southampton result.
We are struggling to fend off a Leicester side ravaged by injuries. We don't have this excuse, with almost our entire team fit.
In the end, our entire position is based upon our opposition being poor. This is not sustainable, and it will all come crashing down if we continue with this.
We may scrape into top four this season, but there will come a time when the opposition won't be so weak. Then, our issues will really show themselves.
Too much flattery, at the moment. We are second through sheer luck that Liverpool came crashing down from last season. This is not through our own improvement.
We are second on the goal scoring totals, mainly due to a freak result. Outside of that, we are massively outperforming our xG. People are dismissive of this, but it is not sustainable. This is beginning to tell now with three goalless draws.
We are actually scoring less per game than the season Mourinho was sacked when you take away the Southampton result.
We are struggling to fend off a Leicester side ravaged by injuries. We don't have this excuse, with almost our entire team fit.
In the end, our entire position is based upon our opposition being poor. This is not sustainable, and it will all come crashing down if we continue with this.
We may scrape into top four this season, but there will come a time when the opposition won't be so weak. Then, our issues will really show themselves.
I don't know where you've got those numbers from. Last summer we essentially spent £80m on squad players, the summer before we spent a lot, granted, but that was only on 2 starting players and still we were also waiting until a week before the season started to get the Maguire deal over the line.
I want a window where we're proactive in getting the deals that need doing done, and where we don't continue to shy away from addressing glaring deficiencies like the right wing. Hardly unreasonable. Barring us somehow blowing top 4 Solskjaer has earned that much.
What I don't want to see is a repeat of what we saw towards the end of Mourinho's tenure - stinging out on Grant, Dalot and Fred. I'm no fan of Mourinho and would've liked to see him get the boot before that season even started but that window was an exercise in giving him the rope to hang himself with.
Get Nagelsmann in before Liverpool replace him when Klopp takes a sabbatical.
Yes, it's a risk, but no manager is guaranteed to be a success.
Yes, it's a risk, but no manager is guaranteed to be a success.
United's issue will continue to be the management above the first team coach.
We are absolutely nailed on to go for Allegri if Ole is replaced this summer or the next one. He is absolutely not the sort of manager we should be going after, but knowing how Woody and friends do things, you just know this is what is going to happen.
I just want a proper established manager that knows how to play modern attacking football is that too much to ask for from our clueless run football club or should I say "franchise" seeing as this club seems to be content with top 4 champions league money these days.
4 managers in a row now where we have continuously ooked almost out of ideas more often than not as to how to attack as a unit rather than relying heavily on individual magic.
4 managers in a row now where we have continuously ooked almost out of ideas more often than not as to how to attack as a unit rather than relying heavily on individual magic.
Well he is Scottish, so he already has that going for him.
Gasperini would be fun.
Nagelsmann in contrast to Ole doesn't need millions and millions to burn every summer to play good football though.
I don’t know much about him but that Rangers manager is having an impressive season domestically and in Europe.
Nagelsmann will end up at Spurs.
It's a tough decision, these poor runs we go on every season are depressing as hell.
Unless this carries on till the end of the season and we drop out of the top 4, I can't see Ole being replaced. If he is still here through the summer then he needs proper backing rather than what we did with Mourinho were we refused to bakc him due to not being convinced he was the right manager. We need to either stick with Ole and back him, or look elsewhere.
Unless this carries on till the end of the season and we drop out of the top 4, I can't see Ole being replaced. If he is still here through the summer then he needs proper backing rather than what we did with Mourinho were we refused to bakc him due to not being convinced he was the right manager. We need to either stick with Ole and back him, or look elsewhere.
Not sure about that to be honest. He's boring, dull, has been out of work for 3 years and unproven in this league. I'd rather go for a Nagelsmann compared to Allegri, at least we can see some entertaining football.
It's very plausible allegri comes in, doesn't play to our ethos and doesn't win anything.
We've spent 170 million on VDB, Maguire and AWB. We need to make changes to the club before spending anymore money cause wasting money like that will get us nowhere.
Allegri has been out of the game waaaaaaaaaay too long for my liking.
I know he's being ridiculed on this board, but I think Brendan Rodgers is very dedicated and talented attacking coach.
I would seriously consider him as our next manager.
I would seriously consider him as our next manager.
Allegri hasn't been out for three years, it's been season and a half since he parted ways with Juventus. Two years sabbatical it will be this summer, but not too big of a deal. However, I definitely wouldn't want him to take over. He's absolutely not the kind of guy to play the football we want.
As for Ancelotti, that's absolutely the same as hiring van Gaal and Mourinho. Manchester United must go for young progressive manager like Nagelsmann. I'm really not sure there are many like him. Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Pochettino, Nagelsmann and maybe Rose will be cream of the crop for years to come. Constantly missing out on each of them is crazy.
And if club hierarchy thinks, as some here do, that Ancelotti is better option because he has more trophies than Nagelsmann, well then there is something fundamentally flawed with this club.
As for Ancelotti, that's absolutely the same as hiring van Gaal and Mourinho. Manchester United must go for young progressive manager like Nagelsmann. I'm really not sure there are many like him. Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Pochettino, Nagelsmann and maybe Rose will be cream of the crop for years to come. Constantly missing out on each of them is crazy.
And if club hierarchy thinks, as some here do, that Ancelotti is better option because he has more trophies than Nagelsmann, well then there is something fundamentally flawed with this club.
If we let Nagelsmann go to Spurs, after seeing Pochettino, Tuchel and Rose slip away recently without so much as an enquiry, we really are a finished club.
Gasperini was a disaster at Inter. He’s 60-something, as well. And I actually quite like Atalanta so he’ll be better of staying there.
Nagelsmann is like the Mbappe of football managers. Spurs are just in a different league.
We should have got Poch.
I’d honestly look at Conte, then see what Poch is doing in a few years.
I’d honestly look at Conte, then see what Poch is doing in a few years.
I don't even want Ole sacked necessarily but at the same time I would be annoyed if Nagelsmann went to Spurs because I'd want him to come to us.
I’m surprised actually that no one has mentioned Potter. In terms of outside of the box choice as many have suggested, you can’t go beyond him. I’d be interested to see what he can do with significant resources.
Exactly. If anything Ole's appointment should show that the most important thing is playing style - not name or reputation. Mou and Ole couldn't be more different from an experience perspective, yet how the team plays and how they have done is relatively similar & the stats are also relatively similar (obviously Mou won trophies and we had one very good PL season under him but you'd expect there to have been a bigger difference given his pedigree). Ole still has the remainder of this season and, whilst signs are troubling, you'd hope we still make top four.
The next manager (regardless of when this is) absolutely, categorically, unequivocally MUST be an attacking manager - this season we have a new record for goalless draws (I think it's 7) and we set up in such a pragmatic and defensive manner against lower table clubs it's no wonder all our forwards are struggling and out of form.
After Ole, Ole
I can see us bottling top 4 this season. Tiredness has well and truly set in while we are aproaching the last third of the season. If we do not improve in the nearest future we are very likely not to make it into the quarters of EL as well. Hopefully, the Board have a very good plan B, but I doubt it.
It will be two years in the summer. Not that long.
I like Allegri, he's not the guy if you want free flowing attacking football but he's one of the best tacticians in the world and he's not stuck to one formation. He will tweak his formation and style to suit the personnel he has at his disposal. When he first started at Juve he played the 3-5-2 then as the squad changed from the Conte era he moved more to the 4-2-3-1 and the 4-3-3. His teams weren't known for pressing but after they bought Ronaldo his team became one of the best pressing sides in Europe. Allegri of course has a proven track record of winning trophies. His Serie A title win with Milan gets overlooked a lot. He done a great interview in the Times with Henry Winter back in December that I will happily PM to anybody who wants to read it.
Jesus the uproar if that ever happened
tbh I like potter and would be interested to see what he can do with a better squad but not ours, far far away from oursIf Ole don't take home a trophy this season I agree to hire Nagelsmann as our next manager. What we see in united now is not promising.
I really dont get the love for Rogers, he came across as a complete idiot at pool.
Has done ok at Leicester but nothing more really. Would he be in line to replace Pep or Klopp is they were to leave in the summer? Highly unlikely so i dont see why we should be looking for him.
Carlo is the obvious choice for me. Milan, Real, Bayern, PSG and Chelsea, he has won leagues with all those and CL with two.
His background is remarkably similar to Ole's, he's just not an ex player. He even had a wildcard run in the EL which was ended by Arsenal whilst in Sweden.Jesus the uproar if that ever happened
Issue for someone like him is would the players respect him/would he be able to deal with the egos and off field drama. I don't doubt he's already a very good coach.
Carlo hasn't won league with Real Madrid, chocked badly actually. He hasn't won the league in Juventus too, was a disaster spell for them around 20 years ago. Bayern also couldn't wait to get rid of him, absolutely wrong appointment. Carlo is living on Champions League laurels, he's got a bit of Rafa Benitez shadow around him.
Why would you hire him? He can't compete with Rodgers, and Pep and Klopp (and Tuchel will be soon too) are so far above him it's ridiculous.