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Barça losing Neymar is a huge disaster. Not really for the present, but for the future of the club.
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Barça losing Neymar is a huge disaster. Not really for the present, but for the future of the club.
Barça losing Neymar is a huge disaster. Not really for the present, but for the future of the club.
Who cares about names from the past? That's not going to help them win La Liga/CL. Losing Neymar was a HUGE deal to Barcelona, and they've certainly acted as such months after the fact. He was their heir to Messi, they tried to ruffle feathers with PSG through Veratti by trying to get him to stop showing up to trainings and force a transfer and instead PSG took their future heir away from them. Of course it's a big deal for Barcelona, they've done nothing but cry about it since then.
Also, Neymar is not going anywhere for a long time. He'll be past his prime once PSG let him go.
Nah, we got one of the world's best young players in Dembele. 5 years younger than Neymar. Not as good, but with just as great potential.
Huge disaster is a big big exaggeration. Players come and go all the time. That's why the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Scholes, Zanetti, Totti, Maldini etc. are rare.
There is no such thing as a 'heir' to Messi. Messi was A LOT better than him, and Neymar is half the player Messi still is. And Neymar is not 21 anymore. He's almost 26, and by the time Messi will really decline in a major way he'll be near 30, probably in serious decline himself at that age.
Barca got beat by Juve and PSG with 3-0 and 4-0 and Neymar played in both. I thought people have moved on from the same old argument that football is just about who has the most stars. Barca is in a better spot right now without Neymar, then they were last season with him.
Barca have moved on from Neymar and they're leading the best team in the world by 8 points. In fact, PSG dropped more points in poor Ligue 1 than Barca did in the no1 ranked league in the world, La Liga.
Nah, we got one of the world's best young players in Dembele. 5 years younger than Neymar. Not as good, but with just as great potential.
Huge disaster is a big big exaggeration. Players come and go all the time. That's why the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Scholes, Zanetti, Totti, Maldini etc. are rare.
There is no such thing as a 'heir' to Messi. Messi was A LOT better than him, and Neymar is half the player Messi still is. And Neymar is not 21 anymore. He's almost 26, and by the time Messi will really decline in a major way he'll be near 30, probably in serious decline himself at that age.
Barca got beat by Juve and PSG with 3-0 and 4-0 and Neymar played in both. I thought people have moved on from the same old argument that football is just about who has the most stars. Barca is in a better spot right now without Neymar, then they were last season with him.
Barca have moved on from Neymar and they're leading the best team in the world by 8 points. In fact, PSG dropped more points in poor Ligue 1 than Barca did in the no1 ranked league in the world, La Liga.
Players come and go but Neymar isn't just any player. You lost a player who I'm pretty sure will end his career as an all time great and he still has his best years to come, that's never a good thing regardless of how good these first few months without him have been. Messi will only get worse from now on, he's getting no rest so far this season and as much as I like Dembele we still don't know how he'll turn out for Barça.
You may keep doing well domestically since Madrid look like they're declining too but this Barça team doesn't look like a team that will win the Champions League.
Also, right now Neymar is obviously not at the same level as Messi but I don't think he's as far off as you say. When the end of the season comes, we'll see hpw he does in the Champions League and the World Cup but I'm predicting him to step up and show why PSG paid that amount of money for him.
Well he should given he's playing in the French league.You know how biased I am in this topic, Neymar won't hold a candle to Messi at the end of their career, and he probably won't reach the production or impact of Cristiano either.
I think one of the key differences betweeen big could've beens and real legends is that, at some point in their career, they develop some sense of "this is my place and I'm going to do history here", when you reach that point, you'd rather not be in the Ligue 1 or playing for some 2nd tier team like Tottenham or Atletico (all due respect), either you go for the secure path and join a top 8 European club, or you are great enough to turn one 2nd tier team into a top 8 spending your whole career there.
Money is always a factor in that too, but this move made little sense from a competitive perspective, and I'm not saying this from bitterness, even one year ago I was saying that Neymar had little options to become a real legend, and the better (and somehow, easier) one was signing for Real Madrid even directly from Barcelona, so Neymar leaving was always a thought I had in the back of my mind, but not just leaving for the French league
Well he should given he's playing in the French league.
Real are not the best team in the world atm.
Players come and go but Neymar isn't just any player. You lost a player who I'm pretty sure will end his career as an all time great and he still has his best years to come, that's never a good thing regardless of how good these first few months without him have been. Messi will only get worse from now on, he's getting no rest so far this season and as much as I like Dembele we still don't know how he'll turn out for Barça.
You may keep doing well domestically since Madrid look like they're declining too but this Barça team doesn't look like a team that will win the Champions League.
Also, right now Neymar is obviously not at the same level as Messi but I don't think he's as far off as you say. When the end of the season comes, we'll see hpw he does in the Champions League and the World Cup but I'm predicting him to step up and show why PSG paid that amount of money for him.
You know how biased I am in this topic, Neymar won't hold a candle to Messi at the end of their career, and he probably won't reach the production or impact of Cristiano either.
I think one of the key differences betweeen big could've beens and real legends is that, at some point in their career, they develop some sense of "this is my place and I'm going to do history here", when you reach that point, you'd rather not be in the Ligue 1 or playing for some 2nd tier team like Tottenham or Atletico (all due respect), either you go for the secure path and join a top 8 European club, or you are great enough to turn one 2nd tier team into a top 8 spending your whole career there.
Money is always a factor in that too, but this move made little sense from a competitive perspective, and I'm not saying this from bitterness, even one year ago I was saying that Neymar had little options to become a real legend, and the better (and somehow, easier) one was signing for Real Madrid even directly from Barcelona, so Neymar leaving was always a thought I had in the back of my mind, but not just leaving for the French league
Neymar is a top player, but he isn't exactly all time great material imo. That's a stretch. But if he wins 2-3 CLs in which he is the deciding factor, and if he wins the World Cup having an insane tournament, then you'll right, he'll enter the conversation. Tall order that.
About the bolded part, well, he has to be nothing short of incredible in both, considering he plays 75% of the time in a mediocre league and even there he's not setting the league on fire or anything in his first season.
No? Last time I checked they're CL back to back winners and Spanish champions. Until that changes, they are the best. Not to mention everyone and their dog here said they'll run away with the league because Barca have lost 'Messi's heir' and are basically shit.
Spain: Barcelona - they only finished 3 points behind Real and have finally got a right back. Their decline will only come in a few years, they're still a fantastic team with 3 of the top 5 players in the world up top and I think they're getting underrated.
Germany: Bayern - Leipzig have done well in the transfer market but Bayern have done even better. They are still too strong
England: Tottenham - I think they'll make smart buys and the stability they have is very important. The move to Wembley is concerning but I expect them to get over it and finally win the league
Italy: Napoli - 6 in a row for Juve is too much. They lost some important players while Napoli kept all of theirs. The dominance will have to end and this year seems like a good time for it to happen. Juve are still favourites but I have a gut feeling they won't make it 7 in a row
France: PSG - Monaco won't replicate last season
Portugal: Sporting - Please
3 point difference last year. Barça got stronger, Real got weaker and plenty of people are thinking Real Madrid will easily win the league. I don't get it.
Real have done better business and they have guaranteed they'll be one of the top clubs in the world for a long time. But when it comes to next season, in my opinion Barça are the favourites.
They got stronger long term. Short term I think they're weaker or at the very least at the same level.
Pepe is better than Vallejo, James is better than Ceballos, Llorente was added to the squad but Kovacic did great rotating with Casemiro last season so I don't think he'll make a lot of difference, Theo doesn't spend all season injured so he's better than Coentrão and now their second highest goalscorer just left. I think overall they're weaker.
I don't get why you don't think it will matter though. You lost 30 goals with James and Morata leaving. Surely going to the season with only one striker who is good enough is a problem?
Bale will probably be missing for half of the season again and I'm sure Zidane will be planning to rest Cristiano like he did last season. If Benzema gets injured for a while then what happens?
The problem is the other PSG stars play in the French league as well, and the league is so mediocre that Cavani and Mbappe will get amazing numbers as well. Neymar is not the only one to benefit from the poor league factor. The level of the league will inflate stats and performances for all good players. He'd have to score and asssit at an incredible rate to set himself apart from his teammates at PSG like Cavani, Mbappe, and from players like Falcao, or even Fekir.
Cavani has 13 goals, Falcao has 13 goals, Fekir has 11 goals. Neymar has 5. Fekir for example has 3 assists, and Neymar just 2 more. Fekir has 1 goal every 90 mins played. He won't get that ratio in a serious top league. Lacazette is a good example. He scored 28 goals last season in Ligue 1. He has 6 at Arsenal so far.
So bottom line, if the quality is not high enough, he won't be the difference maker and other players around him will be able to produce very strong numbers and performances consistently as well.
Playing in a league that is not in the spotlight is a major problem for any player. Neymar will have problems in matching even Zlatan's output in Ligue 1. His only shot is CL. If he has amazing games there, then he will get recognition at PSG. If not, he won't. What you do in the 5th best league is not very relevant, when you can't even be heads and shoulders above the rest of the players that play there.
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If he dominates the CL and international football playing in a second rate 1 team league wont matter one iota.You know how biased I am in this topic, Neymar won't hold a candle to Messi at the end of their career, and he probably won't reach the production or impact of Cristiano either.
I think one of the key differences betweeen big could've beens and real legends is that, at some point in their career, they develop some sense of "this is my place and I'm going to do history here", when you reach that point, you'd rather not be in the Ligue 1 or playing for some 2nd tier team like Tottenham or Atletico (all due respect), either you go for the secure path and join a top 8 European club, or you are great enough to turn one 2nd tier team into a top 8 spending your whole career there.
Money is always a factor in that too, but this move made little sense from a competitive perspective, and I'm not saying this from bitterness, even one year ago I was saying that Neymar had little options to become a real legend, and the better (and somehow, easier) one was signing for Real Madrid even directly from Barcelona, so Neymar leaving was always a thought I had in the back of my mind, but not just leaving for the French league
Always felt he'd end up there and still do. Just that negotating with PSG will be near impossible for them.Wouldn't be surprised if this was all a plan by Neymar to join Real but not directly from Barca.
He's got 7 goals in 8 games and 5 assists, so they have gone up.@Ecstatic, Neymar plays in a very strong team and in a weaker league. His performances and stats should be going up from his Barca days, not down.
Always felt he'd end up there and still do. Just that negotating with PSG will be near impossible for them.
He should maybe have thought this through, before going to PSG of all places, seeing how they dealt with Veratti wanting to leaveWouldn't be surprised if this was all a plan by Neymar to join Real but not directly from Barca.
He should maybe have thought this through, before going to PSG of all places, seeing how they dealt with Veratti wanting to leave
Not saying it won't happen, but unless Neymar was able to negotiate a clause/agreement in his PSG contract, I can't see them forcing to sell him. Not least when they're done with him, that is.
But yeah, of course no one can predict these things. And maybe he does have a clause or some sort of agreement for him to move on after giving them say 3-4 years, with maybe 1 or 2 UCL's in the bag etc.
Yeah, like I said, you can't predict these things, but one thing is for sure, it's all going to hinge on PSG's intentions with Neymar and whether/when those goals have been reached, because they'd expect some sort of return on their investment, and it wouldn't necessarily be based on a monetary profit for them.I think Madrid have alot of talent on their books which could tempt PSG into selling. Ronaldo, Benzema, Kroos.. and PSG have an unhappy player on their hands.
I think Neymar was a masterstroke signing for PSG.. very valuable investment, and I reckon they can make a profit out of it very easily out of a desperate Madrid.
Yeah, like I said, you can't predict these things, but one thing is for sure, it's all going to hinge on PSG's intentions with Neymar and whether/when those goals have been reached, because they'd expect some sort of return on their investment, and it wouldn't necessarily be based on a monetary profit for them.
Sorry, just edited my reply as you postedAgreed on that point. Money means feck all to a moneybags club, but if they get groups of players in return, they might be stronger for it.
Except trades never happen.Agreed on that point. Money means feck all to a moneybags club, but if they get groups of players in return, they might be stronger for it.
More and more with Neymar I get the feeling that he wants to join Madrid and his move to PSG is just a way to get there indirectly because he knows he'd never be able to join from Barca. I fully expect him to kick up a fuss in a couple of years, or even next season and start making noises about the standard of the league before throwing stops and starting "fights" in training before forcing through a move.
Agreed on that point. Money means feck all to a moneybags club, but if they get groups of players in return, they might be stronger for it.
I'm suspicious that this whole thing is in some way orchestrated by both him and his agent, knowing full well that Barca wouldn't sell directly to Madrid. The way that Madrid players, including Ramos, have spoken openly about Neymar joining them, coincidentally at a time when these rumours of unhappiness have surfaced, is interesting. We all thought it kind of unambitious for Neymar to leave Barcelona for Ligue 1, of course, unless that wasn't the end game. There's something fishy about recent events surrounding Neymar.
I'm suspicious that this whole thing is in some way orchestrated by both him and his agent, knowing full well that Barca wouldn't sell directly to Madrid.
True, way too much interest in this non starter.I think it's hilarious how the press has created a storyline that there's even a remotely possible chance of Neymar leaving PSG anytime soon. It's simply not going to happen until the end of his contract at the very least. PSG has locked up Neymar's prime years, and I doubt Real Madrid will be very interested in him afterwards. We'll see how Vinicius pans out during that time, they may not even need Neymar if he does but that's still a long shot. We all thought Mbappe was a lock for Madrid, and look what happened? Apparently, the press can be full of shite every once in a while, and it's the Madrid-based press who is making all that noise to begin with, with the rest of the media jumping on the clickbait bandwagon and you're all discussing this as if that was even a possibility.
I'm suspicious that this whole thing is in some way orchestrated by both him and his agent, knowing full well that Barca wouldn't sell directly to Madrid. The way that Madrid players, including Ramos, have spoken openly about Neymar joining them, coincidentally at a time when these rumours of unhappiness have surfaced, is interesting. We all thought it kind of unambitious for Neymar to leave Barcelona for Ligue 1, of course, unless that wasn't the end game. There's something fishy about recent events surrounding Neymar.
Did he cry again?