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Adam-Utd said:
You wont be calling him over rated when he leads vidic / ferdinand a merry dance around the pitch.

If the lad is available for anything close to £40m we should break our transfer record fee.
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I'd second that to be honest. He's a player that many seem to love to hate, but his talent is undeniable.

If indeed we are looking to splash £35m-ish on a special talent who is just about to make the step up and become one of the very best in the world, he's amongst the best choices we could probably make. He will give us that Ronaldo effect back.
 
Its a difficult one, the muppet screams hell yes, and the sensible head says the last thing you need is another f***ing striker?

However, before RVP you would have looked at our squad and said we don't need a striker to be quite honest, I think you make room for exceptional talent, if that means we buy Neymar and have to let a younger player (Internally grown) go, then so be it, I would rather the local lad succeded obviously but if a better player is available for 'value' at that point, then regardless how good our youngster is, I think we are the calibre of clud that should look at them regardless
 
Jaybezia said:
Its a difficult one, the muppet screams hell yes, and the sensible head says the last thing you need is another f***ing striker?

However, before RVP you would have looked at our squad and said we don't need a striker to be quite honest, I think you make room for exceptional talent, if that means we buy Neymar and have to let a younger player (Internally grown) go, then so be it, I would rather the local lad succeded obviously but if a better player is available for 'value' at that point, then regardless how good our youngster is, I think we are the calibre of clud that should look at them regardless
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I don't think any price tag that is slapped on Neymar will represent 'value', not that it will matter anyway as he's destined for Barca.

Out of interest, who's going to be happiest to sit on the bench out of Rooney, Van Persie and Neymar?
 
Zen86 said:
I don't think any price tag that is slapped on Neymar will represent 'value', not that it will matter anyway as he's destined for Barca.

Out of interest, who's going to be happiest to sit on the bench out of Rooney, Van Persie and Neymar?
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I also believe he is destined for Barca as my comment was more of a general on 'young top class talent' not specifically Neymar. And I think you will be suprised £80mil was value for CR7 because of his advertising and merchandise revenue alone.

Furthermore, you could in some games accomodate all 3, but funnily enough the season consists of various competitions and a lot of games with rotation. However, I would be more referring to Welbeck in this case if Neymar was to come, I think we could see Welbeck being converted to a winger or his future may not lie with us, if that ever was to happen..

My point was though, that as much as I would love Danny, if I had the choice of seeing him leave and Neymar join then I would jump at it, hold a thought for the boy Welbeck, love him don't get me wrong but can't see that he is in the same calibre as Neymar. It's not so important regardless as I do not believe either that we have a chance of Neymar, merely that I don't hold sentiment for players and think we have someone who can do a job, if there is someone better and available....
 
Zen86 said:
I don't think any price tag that is slapped on Neymar will represent 'value', not that it will matter anyway as he's destined for Barca.

Out of interest, who's going to be happiest to sit on the bench out of Rooney, Van Persie and Neymar?
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Ashley Young. Maybe Valencia as well if we switched to the diamond.
 
Even if he's looked pretty good there's a huge risk he will fail miserably in europe. I don't like the idea of paying that much money for a player from south america without him even playing any games here yet.

Players from south america should cost no more than £20m before they have played in europe.
 
Successful said:
Even if he's looked pretty good there's a huge risk he will fail miserably in europe. I don't like the idea of paying that much money for a player from south america without him even playing any games here yet.

Players from south america should cost no more than £20m before they have played in europe.
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And supply and demand should 'do one?' There are a lot of 'should be's', unfortunately though he is worth more than £20mil just because of his image rights and merchandise etc without factoring in the football player... Its a circus nowadays
 
So European clubs should be able to pillage all of their top talent for half their market value?
 
Successful said:
Even if he's looked pretty good there's a huge risk he will fail miserably in europe. I don't like the idea of paying that much money for a player from south america without him even playing any games here yet.

Players from south america should cost no more than £20m before they have played in europe.
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It doesn't work like that anymore. Their league is getting stronger with players coming back even before they are past it and no longer needed in Europe, top players seem to take longer to take a decision about moving to Europe and when they do, clubs don't need to sell them for low prices because they can sustain their business without selling their best players. Country's economy is groung very fast which means more and more money is being laid out by sponsors.

Lucas and Oscar went for big money. Neymar will be even more expensive because he's clearly rated higher than either of them. In not too distant future we'll see the likes of Damiao, Ganso and Paulinho will probably move to Europe too and they won't be cheap either.
 
Successful said:
Even if he's looked pretty good there's a huge risk he will fail miserably in europe. I don't like the idea of paying that much money for a player from south america without him even playing any games here yet.

Players from south america should cost no more than £20m before they have played in europe.
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huge risk? Bollocks.
 
MichaelS said:
He reminds a lot of young Ronaldo
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At the age neymar is now, comparing him to ronaldo at that age, for me neymar is clearly the better player.

But the question is has neymar reached his peak already? i doubt it.

I have no doubts in my mind he will go on to be a very special player.
 
Fergus' son said:
That's fine, and suggests that he is worth the risk.
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Has Robinho done anything apart from one good season at Madrid to suggest he's the sort of player that would have made much of an impact for us?
 
Brophs said:
Has Robinho done anything apart from one good season at Madrid to suggest he's the sort of player that would have made much of an impact for us?
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He probably meant that there's a 50% chance of him being as good as Ronaldo, then he's worth a punt.
 
peterstorey said:
The way he plays: a lack of footballing intelligence, a preference for the showy over the effective. (All based on fairly limited viewing).
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Must be very limited viewing if you think he's lacking a footballing brain. His movement might actually be his greatest asset, he's very intelligent. His decision making needs to improve, but that will come. I do however think he is in danger of staying in Brazil too long. He's safe for now but he needs to challenge himself before he starts completely slacking in Brazil from just being better than everyone - that could really hurt his development.
 
Sarni said:
He probably meant that there's a 50% chance of him being as good as Ronaldo, then he's worth a punt.
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This.

And that if in a worse case scenario he becomes like Robinho it's hardly the worst thing in the world, he's still a good player.
 
peterstorey said:
The way he plays: a lack of footballing intelligence, a preference for the showy over the effective. (All based on fairly limited viewing).
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lol.

His passing and movement is very good, and even though he is flashy more often than not it comes off, he isnt a trick pony like quaresma.

You need to watch the kid more.
 
MichaelS said:
He reminds a lot of young Ronaldo
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Except that Ronaldo is a supreme physical athlete whereas Neymar is almost as slight as footballers get.

Ronaldo has an insatiable appetite for success and will put the work in to attain that success, that is what sets him apart from other players (except Messi), it isn't about flicks and tricks. Does Neymar have those psychological attributes or is he just another fair weather Brazilian magician?
 
I think it's been pretty clear he's needed to up his game by coming to Europe but perhaps his management team are concerned about the early difficulties he is surely to have ahead of WC'14 and it affecting Brasil's chances to shine

It's a fair question as to whether he will be more Robinho or Ronaldo/Romario. It's a big leap to make coming across the pond, however I do believe he is the premier Brasilian talent atm. I mean, is there a more exciting prospect in his age group that has anywhere near the skill set he already has? Whether that translates to future stardom is unclear but I don't believe he will be a flop.

At any rate, he still has a lot of work to do on his game - only question is whether he is a hard worker or will he succumb to the perils of stardom/hype?
 
He'll move before the World Cup, I think. I heard that his contract is about to run out in 2014 and he has stated that he wants to remain at Santos until his contract runs out but I doubt they'd be eager to wait until then and give up on a massive transfer fee. Then again he might sign a new deal to prevent that from happening.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Except that Ronaldo is a supreme physical athlete whereas Neymar is almost as slight as footballers get.

Ronaldo has an insatiable appetite for success and will put the work in to attain that success, that is what sets him apart from other players (except Messi), it isn't about flicks and tricks. Does Neymar have those psychological attributes or is he just another fair weather Brazilian magician?
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Being built like someone carved you in stone does not mean you're unbreakable. If you see the amount to punishment Neymar gets every single game, it's mind blowing. HE receives some serious abuse, especially in Libertadores games. Yet, I don't remember the last time he was out injured.

And apart from not playing in Europe, he has plenty experience in big games, being Brazilian League champions, Brazilian Cup Champions as at Libertadores.

And he did more than fairly good in his international games with the Seleção.
 
Adam-Utd said:
At the age neymar is now, comparing him to ronaldo at that age, for me neymar is clearly the better player.

But the question is has neymar reached his peak already? i doubt it.

I have no doubts in my mind he will go on to be a very special player.
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No chance is he better than what Ronaldo was when he was 20. Ronaldo was a starter for us at that age and beginning to tear the premier league apart at that age, which is infinitely more impressive then tearing the brazilian league apart. Also considering by the next 2 years, he was the best player in the world. Would you say that in 2 years Neymar is going to be the best player in the world, or as good as Ronaldo was? Of course not. Maybe if he went to Europe before but he's just wasting his time the longer he stays in Brazil. It'd be the equivalent of Messi playing in the Argentinian league.

Even when he does inevitably go to Barcelona, I highly doubt he'll ever reach the potential many people think he has. He'll always be overshadowed by Messi, who's level Neymar definitely won't ever reach. He does have enormous potential, but not best player ever potential.
 
It begs the question about Neymar's eventual move to Europe: will he join Barcelona and become part of the supporting cast for Messi, or will he join another club and be the undisputed jewel in their crown?
 
nahealai said:
It begs the question about Neymar's eventual move to Europe: will he join Barcelona and become part of the supporting cast for Messi, or will he join another club and be the undisputed jewel in their crown?
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Who would he join though? The only clubs I can see him ending up at are Real Madrid, or the more likely option Barca. At Madrid, he'd be overshadowed by Ronaldo and at Barca he'd be overshadowed by Messi. Really can't see him ever coming to the premier league either.
 
If, and this is a huge if, Ronaldo decides he's had enough at Madrid, then I think they'll do everything in their power to ensure Neymar succeeds him.

On an aside, historically, don't Brazilians tend to sign for Madrid more so than Barcelona?
 
nahealai said:
It begs the question about Neymar's eventual move to Europe: will he join Barcelona and become part of the supporting cast for Messi, or will he join another club and be the undisputed jewel in their crown?
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He's nearly 5 years younger than Messi, while he'd start as second fiddle to him maybe by the time Neymar's 24 Messi has dropped off either through age or lack of motivation having won 7 Ballon d'Or and 5 European Cups or whatever and Messi becomes part of the supporting cast to Neymar. As long as he's not relegated to the bench I can't see moving to Barcelona - a team who dominate every game they play in - being bad for his career.
 
nahealai said:
If, and this is a huge if, Ronaldo decides he's had enough at Madrid, then I think they'll do everything in their power to ensure Neymar succeeds him.

On an aside, historically, don't Brazilians tend to sign for Madrid more so than Barcelona?
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Yes they do, but Real Madrid's academy is a shadow of Barcelona's so they don't produce anywhere near as many homegrown players that are good enough for their squad, and thus they rely on foreign players. Then when you factor in that Brazil produces probably the most superstar players outside of Spain, it's always going to be the case that in general they sign more Brazilians that Barca.

Off the top of my head, Barca have 2 Brazilians in Alves and Real Madrid also have 2 in Marcelo and Kaka.
 
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