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I think he's maturing, and in 2 years should in top 3 players list.


He is playing absolutely brilliantly and he is great to watch. I thought a lot of the criticism of him last year was quite harsh. His potential is absolutely immense and I think he is better than all of the other young players out there atm. There are very few players in the world that have outperformed him this season and you have to take into account that the whole team is not built around him like Messi, Ronaldo, Bale (at Tottenham), Suarez (at Liverpool) and Van Persie (at Arsenal) amongst others have had in recent years. It is crazy to think that he is only 22 and that he is going to keep on improving. I would be very surprised if he does not win a Balon D'or (or even several Balon D'ors) in his career.
 
Just needs to stop acting like a pussy because other than that he's an awesome player.

Acting like a pussy? He's the most fouled player in liga while being one of the lightest and still never shys away from a game or rival and also leads Brazil national team at age 22. Has had his spine fractured, ankles smashed, been punched, etc.
 
Acting like a pussy? He's the most fouled player in liga while being one of the lightest and still never shys away from a game or rival and also leads Brazil national team at age 22. Has had his spine fractured, ankles smashed, been punched, etc.

He still acts like a cheat and a pussy whenever it suits him, whether he is the most fouled player or not. He's a cheat.
 
Acting like a pussy? He's the most fouled player in liga while being one of the lightest and still never shys away from a game or rival and also leads Brazil national team at age 22. Has had his spine fractured, ankles smashed, been punched, etc.

Doesn't mean he doesn't act like a large vagina, because everyone can see he does.

This also doesn't mean that he's not brilliant and a joy to watch.
 
He still acts like a cheat and a pussy whenever it suits him, whether he is the most fouled player or not. He's a cheat.

It's strange how football fans find diving and such like to be worse than kicking lumps out of someone because they are actually better at the game they are paid to play.
 
I don't understand the cheating as some people are complaining. He is light weight and doesn't have good body mass, so it's easy to shove him off the ball. Number of invalid penalties or red cards that Barca have received this season should tell us how much actual diving is going on the field. Only 2 penalties awarded (1 scored) in games which ended in 5-0 and 6-0. Only Getafe have scored less from penalty than Barca in league. Also no penalties in CL so far. The penalty conceded by Messi against Atletico and by Masche last game were much softer than anything we received this season.
 
It's strange how football fans find diving and such like to be worse than kicking lumps out of someone because they are actually better at the game they are paid to play.

What are you talking about :lol: ? Did I even imply that diving was worse than hurting a player ?

I don't understand the cheating as some people are complaining. He is light weight and doesn't have good body mass, so it's easy to shove him off the ball. Number of invalid penalties or red cards that Barca have received this season should tell us how much actual diving is going on the field. Only 2 penalties awarded (1 scored) in games which ended in 5-0 and 6-0. Only Getafe have scored less from penalty than Barca in league. Also no penalties in CL so far. The penalty conceded by Messi against Atletico and by Masche last game were much softer than anything we received this season.

Not really tbh. All one needs to do is watch matches to see who is a clear diver and who isn't.
 
What are you talking about :lol: ? Did I even imply that diving was worse than hurting a player ?
Not that you're wrong, but he has a point about the attitude towards divers vs thugs.

I supported Atletico in La Liga last year but some of their behavior has been downright disgraceful, but I think people tend to make a much lesser deal over a whole 90 minutes of thuggery as compared to a couple of moments of diving.
 
Always thought he is on another level to the likes of Gotze. He is definitely future Ballon d'or material.
 
Not that you're wrong, but he has a point about the attitude towards divers vs thugs.

I supported Atletico in La Liga last year but some of their behavior has been downright disgraceful, but I think people tend to make a much lesser deal over a whole 90 minutes of thuggery as compared to a couple of moments of diving.

I agree with him but quoting me on that subject just surprised me. All forms of cheating are bad for the game and some of them are worse than others, having the intent to hurt an opponent when the ball isn't even in play is the worst for me.
 
I agree with him but quoting me on that subject just surprised me. All forms of cheating are bad for the game and some of them are worse than others, having the intent to hurt an opponent when the ball isn't even in play is the worst for me.
I thought the throwing of a shoe towards the linesman was as pathetic as anything I've seen. Not sure how such a thing can be tolerated in football. I don't see any long discussions about such behavior, sadly.
 
Not that you're wrong, but he has a point about the attitude towards divers vs thugs.

I supported Atletico in La Liga last year but some of their behavior has been downright disgraceful, but I think people tend to make a much lesser deal over a whole 90 minutes of thuggery as compared to a couple of moments of diving.
Well, it also depends who culprits are, IMO.

There's large sections of hatred on here towards both Barca and Madrid, and a huge love in for what Simeone and Atletico have achieved. (like you, I rooted for Atletico last season as well - league and the UCL).

So if Atletico are acting like thugs vs Barca/Madrid especially, there'll be very little mention of it. But the moment Busquets/Alba or Pepe/Ramos acts the twat again, it'll be blown out of proportion. Same thing in our domestic league I guess (it's part of human nature I suppose) - if a team kicked lumps out of Chelsea/City/Pool, we'd most probably all be cheering (not that we wishing injury upon anyone). Hell, even the other night - what Costa did was despicable, but I found it entertaining how he riled up the Pool players/fans.

But the moment he acts like that against us, I'll be crying foul/twat, without doubt!
 
Always thought he is on another level to the likes of Gotze. He is definitely future Ballon d'or material.

He's improved loads, he has better finishing and end-product now. Once he gets going it's really hard to stop his dribbling and pace.
 
I don't understand the cheating as some people are complaining. He is light weight and doesn't have good body mass, so it's easy to shove him off the ball. Number of invalid penalties or red cards that Barca have received this season should tell us how much actual diving is going on the field. Only 2 penalties awarded (1 scored) in games which ended in 5-0 and 6-0. Only Getafe have scored less from penalty than Barca in league. Also no penalties in CL so far. The penalty conceded by Messi against Atletico and by Masche last game were much softer than anything we received this season.
No they don't. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, I'm pretty sure I saw Alba diving the other day after contact with the linesman. I also recall Suarez and Neymar diving in the league game vs Atletico. Not all dives happen in the box and not all dives are to win penalties. Players also dive to win free-kicks, to time-waste, to frustrate the opposition and make them lose focus and to disrupt their game-plan among other reasons. Every team has divers. Madrid have Ronaldo, Pepe and Marcelo who do it among others and Di Maria used to be terrible for it also. It is pretty easy to see and I do not understand why anyone would be in denial about it or think their team is above it.
 
I don't understand the cheating as some people are complaining. He is light weight and doesn't have good body mass, so it's easy to shove him off the ball. Number of invalid penalties or red cards that Barca have received this season should tell us how much actual diving is going on the field. Only 2 penalties awarded (1 scored) in games which ended in 5-0 and 6-0. Only Getafe have scored less from penalty than Barca in league. Also no penalties in CL so far. The penalty conceded by Messi against Atletico and by Masche last game were much softer than anything we received this season.
Alba and Busquets are two of the most prolific divers in the game.
 
No they don't. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, I'm pretty sure I saw Alba diving the other day after contact with the linesman. I also recall Suarez and Neymar diving in the league game vs Atletico. Not all dives happen in the box and not all dives are to win penalties. Players also dive to win free-kicks, to time-waste, to frustrate the opposition and make them lose focus and to disrupt their game-plan among other reasons. Every team has divers. Madrid have Ronaldo, Pepe and Marcelo who do it among others and Di Maria used to be terrible for it also. It is pretty easy to see and I do not understand why anyone would be in denial about it or think their team is above it.

That was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a match, it just shows that a player Alba has the "cheating" mode on automatic regardless of the situation and who is involved. Maybe he thought the ref could book his linesman.
 
He is playing absolutely brilliantly and he is great to watch. I thought a lot of the criticism of him last year was quite harsh. His potential is absolutely immense and I think he is better than all of the other young players out there atm. There are very few players in the world that have outperformed him this season and you have to take into account that the whole team is not built around him like Messi, Ronaldo, Bale (at Tottenham), Suarez (at Liverpool) and Van Persie (at Arsenal) amongst others have had in recent years. It is crazy to think that he is only 22 and that he is going to keep on improving. I would be very surprised if he does not win a Balon D'or (or even several Balon D'ors) in his career.

The reason he was criticized so harshly was because of the hype surrounding him before he had even played a game in a European competition and because a lot of promising prospects from South America have not been able to live up to their potential in recent years. At the same time people are always jealous when one club has landed a massive talent and said talent seems to be transitioning well. Neymar is a heck of a player, he needs to get a little tougher, but other than that I enjoy watching the kid play and agree that he'll be one of the best in the world soon.
 
Breathe, man, breathe :lol:

And now enjoy :drool:



Defenders cheat all the time vs him. Part of the game.

Cheating is part of the game, many players cheat in many different forms. Neymar is a cheater, it is a fact that can be said without being a "hater" as it is what is implied when someone speaks negatively about someone who is liked. He is a great player but sadly also a cheater.
 
Alba and Busquets are two of the most prolific divers in the game.

Busquets isn't a diver, never has been. He's a horrible with playacting and he'll try and get everyone and anyone sent off by feigning injury on minor fouls but he's not a diver imo, ie someone who will literally go down without contact.
 
Busquets isn't a diver, never has been. He's a horrible with playacting and he'll try and get everyone and anyone sent off by feigning injury on minor fouls but he's not a diver imo, ie someone who will literally go down without contact.

I've seen him dive quite a few times
 
I like him, wasn't convinced when he was playing in Brazil, but he is clearly a top top player and he will only get better. Fits in well with the rest of the Barca cnuts.

I like his style with all the skills and showboating, makes the defenders go crazy. If he was playing in England we would probably have dinosaurs like Gary Neville complaining how his style is disrespectful towards his opponents.
 
Busquets isn't a diver, never has been. He's a horrible with playacting and he'll try and get everyone and anyone sent off by feigning injury on minor fouls but he's not a diver imo, ie someone who will literally go down without contact.
Maybe, but often when there is no contact he'll manufacture it in order to win the free-kick. Same ballpark really.
 
There is some sort of misconception that he is selfish, most likely due to the fact that he is a young Brasilian who wears orange boots, has a massive earring, a haircut like a peacock's behind & is a flair player, who showboats on occasion. Watch him at the Olympics in 2012 - he was playing wide left to accommodate Damiao, where he spent the entire tournament whipping in (quite brilliant) crosses and trying to create 1-2s whenever he came inside. He then played more centrally in the Confeds, where he displayed excellent passing ability with his teammates, linking the midfield and forward line together in every game (whilst still acting as a second striker, behind the useless Fred).

Then, of course, came the World Cup. Anyone who says he wasn't great in that needs their head checked. Brasil were dire going forward, but he still pulled them through to the semi's. Their game plan seemed to be simply defending well, fouling high up the pitch, then finding Neymar and praying he would dig them out of a situation - he did that every time. He did very well as the main man. I don't understand how being selfish on occasion is a criticism of him - he's a forward who relies on trickery and pace. Suarez would be playing his football in Uruguay if he wasn't so selfish - it's what makes some players great. Plus, Neymar isn't afforded the same freedom at Barcelona - just look at his performances in the 13/14 season when Messi was out of the team & then when Messi returned from injury (Messi's deeper, wider role this season means we cannot use the same argument for this season).

The guy is an amazing footballer. More people need to base their conclusions over 90 minute games, not YouTube compilations. I would not be surprised to see him win a Ballon D'Or (or three) in his career, though we will have to wait & see how he develops. For now, though, he's clearly on the right path. He's managed to adapt to playing for Barcelona, a team with a unique play-style and other, more accomplished players. He had a difficult first year (bar the spell when Messi was out injured) and he is now showing his quality. He is streets ahead of any other player his age. Too many people are blinded by their hatred of players who dive & do a few needless tricks.
 
Cheating is part of the game, many players cheat in many different forms. Neymar is a cheater, it is a fact that can be said without being a "hater" as it is what is implied when someone speaks negatively about someone who is liked. He is a great player but sadly also a cheater.

You go on and on yet the things you say don't seem to mirror what Neymar does in the pitch. I'm starting to doubt you even watch the games he plays in. Not that I care to convince you otherwise.
 
You go on and on yet the things you say don't seem to mirror what Neymar does in the pitch. I'm starting to doubt you even watch the games he plays in. Not that I care to convince you otherwise.

Because I just talked about one specific (shitty) aspect of his game so it's no wonder I'm not giving the complete picture of him.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have been watching him (as have a lot of people) regularly since his Barca days and sometimes when he was at Santos. Like I said he is a great player and there has never been a doubt about that in my mind, just that he has his negative side that I don't like that's all. It's no good to blinded by your idol like that to the point where you just see all the good stuff he does and nothing else.
 
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Didn't like this guy and wasn't blown away like a lot of people but after the world cup and his last season plus the first half of this one he has really impressed me. Could well be one of the best in the world in another season or two.
 
Because I just talked about one specific (shitty) aspect of his game so it's no wonder I'm giving the complete picture of him.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have been watching him (as have a lot of people) regularly since his Barca days and sometimes when he was at Santos. Like I said he is a great player and there has never been a doubt about that in my mind, just that he has his negative side that I don't like that's all. It's no good to blinded by your idol like that to the point where you just see all the good stuff he does and nothing else.
Exactly. It would like us claiming that Ronaldo, Nani and Ashley Young aren't divers. Neymar is a fantastic player, who acts like a gimp at times. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
 
Exactly. It would like us claiming that Ronaldo, Nani and Ashley Young aren't divers. Neymar is a fantastic player, who acts like a gimp at times. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.

It is as simple as that. The problem is that people assume and conclude things about you when you talk about certain things.
 
He is playing absolutely brilliantly and he is great to watch. I thought a lot of the criticism of him last year was quite harsh. His potential is absolutely immense and I think he is better than all of the other young players out there atm. There are very few players in the world that have outperformed him this season and you have to take into account that the whole team is not built around him like Messi, Ronaldo, Bale (at Tottenham), Suarez (at Liverpool) and Van Persie (at Arsenal) amongst others have had in recent years. It is crazy to think that he is only 22 and that he is going to keep on improving. I would be very surprised if he does not win a Balon D'or (or even several Balon D'ors) in his career.

Definitely. I've commented on him and the long & clandestine pursuit of his signature by Rosell et al several times in the past. I was dead set against his signature years ago but when I realized his signing was inevitable, I started to watch him more regularly and I saw the potential that many have hyped about him. Limitless potential? Hard to say, depends on how dedicated he is to getting better, more consistent, rounding out his game and stepping up on the biggest stages.

I think he's a fantastic teammate and his teammates at Barcelona are effusive in their praise of him as both a person & player. He's absolutely a flair player but he's more competitive than I first realized. I think a lot of the criticism last season came down to how he reacted to the contract controversy and how he wasn't able to replicate his 1st half of the season form for the latter stages of the season - a bit Cesc, you might say

As several other players have noted, the better his chemistry develops with Leo, the better the team & Neymar will become - I think you can even see how much more Messi seeks out Neymar on the pitch. The trident of those two with Suarez has also quite a bit of potential as well - without a question the best or most exciting things about Barcelona atm
 
24 games, 25 goals and 4 assists this season in all games for Barca.

He really has found his feet and kicked on this season with incredible end product, already a better return compared to both Bale and Neymar for all of last season. Would be interesting to see the Bale vs Neymar thoughts now.

I thought Bale had an outstanding season last year, but he's being left far behind in this one and Neymar as young as he is, will surely only improve.
 
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For all his flamboyance when dribbling he's a very unspectacular finisher. It's not that he lacks the ability to score spectacular goals but it seems like he'll avoid them unless absolutely necessary - he almost always takes an extra few touches just to engineer that space for a nice simple finish.
 
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