Wow once again.
Norwich City vs. Manchester United
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and who was he paired with? He's been great in every other game this season.
Carrick and Giggs will probably even worse than we imagine because there's going to be no Rooney today to drop into midfield and cover for our sloppy midfield. With our defense leaking goals the way it is, I'm not sure the zero protection Giggs offers is something that makes much sense.
Attacking? I offered an opinion that the lack of respect for Giggs is baffling. I can't venture an opinion on something that hasn't happened yet. I find whining about a man like Ryan Giggs before a game to be pointless. You know why? Because I've been watching him win games for Utd for over 20 years.
He's the next Nani on here.
He's got potential, he's not fat, he's our own Iniesta. Who can't play two games a week or even one for 90 minutes.
In a way I agree. However, if we're not going to give him a proper chance after he has played well, what's the point of even keeping him?
Hope Giggs has a good game. Shut all the nob heads up.
It's Ryan Giggs fault he was shit? Who was he playing with against Chelsea?
I don't think many want him to retire, I certainly don't, but it doesn't mean people can say we don't over use them or ask then to do more than they're capable off. We've seen giggs in a 2 against pool and sort of against braga and it was pretty poor, we've seen fergie ask him to play left wing and again it was pretty poor, but he's also played at the head of a 3 and he looked good. I think that's what mostly annoys people, we ask too much off them and it leads to displays which are tough for the team and not a good reflection on the player individually. You wouldn't see pirlo being asked to play in a 442 as a midfielder anymore regardless of the opposition.
So we have 2 wingers out of form, we have 2 midfielders in form. lets play 442 and stick Giggs in midfield.
Fergie wonders why we are starting poorly.
Fergie wonders why we are starting poorly.
He was paired with Giggs in that game, which is a huge disadvantage in a 2 man midfield. You don't rate him, fair enough but this season we have played much better when he's been in the side, along with Cleverley.
We're desperate for someone who's actually good in midfield. That's all, really. We have no choice but to believe in Cleverley and Anderson suddenly becoming great players because it's clear Fergie won't sign a midfielder as long as Giggs and Scholes have two functional feet each.
Tbf both giggs and rooney were equally as poor in that game.
don't get why Giggs is playing ahead of Anderson.
Chance to go 6 clear of Chelsea.
In a league cup game. Whoopdie fecking doo. We also played Fletcher in midfield that day so it wasn't a 2 man midfield which Giggs struggles in.
De Gea is injured? Or just rotation?
SAF is taking the piss.Giggs in midfield whereas he's been consistently poor there ????
You keep mentioning "lack of respect" for some reason. He has been a terrific servant for United for 2 decades, I think one of the best players ever but that doesn't mean I want him to start at the expense of losing the game. He doesn't suit a midfield two, everyone and their brother knows that by now. I don't know how pointing it out is lack of respect.
Cleverely-------Anderson
----------Carrick
Don't get what's so hard.
----------Carrick
Don't get what's so hard.
Questioning that decision means we want him to retire, and shows a massive lack of respect.
Giggs will be fine. I hope.
Otherwise the shape of the team looks familiar enough. We just need to keep supplying the wingers and the attackers and we'll get what we need.
Otherwise the shape of the team looks familiar enough. We just need to keep supplying the wingers and the attackers and we'll get what we need.
His last game was good, didn't much help his reputation around here though.
Why do our midfield selections seem to constantly revolve around who's not playing well instead of who is?
Carrick and Young shouldn't be near our starting line up at the moment.
Has Ferguson not figured out that this and our constant shit midfield performances might be linked in some way yet?
Carrick and Young shouldn't be near our starting line up at the moment.
Has Ferguson not figured out that this and our constant shit midfield performances might be linked in some way yet?
So it's Giggs' fault when he plays bad but it's nothing to do with him when he plays well. You're bumming and blowing about how 'great' Anderson has been when his best performance was in the league cup game you're now deriding. Really?
Completely different, that was a three man midfield with Fletch sitting. Against Braga Anderson had to be the defensive one as Giggs plays advanced. Doesn't suit Anderson at all.
In your twisted world maybe but I know exactly what I meant by that question
Cleverley and Anderson's combined age is 47 so it's totally like playing Giggs in a two-man midfield ten years from now. At least that's what we should tell SAF, he'd probably change the starting XI right away.
Sometimes I do wonder if Fergie is simply taking the piss or if he really doesn't see what the problem is when it's do blatantly obvious.
Why do that when we've got two out of form wingers and Giggs who is wonderful in midfield?
Giggs struggles in a 2 man midfield. That much is obvious, yet it means i'm showing a lack of respect because I think we have better options along with most others.
I think SAF will continue to use some manner of a 442 against teams of lower quality, like Villa, it should get the job done anyway, though I'd rather see a midfield diamond or a 433 myself.
I don't get this, we have every reason to be concerned about Chelsea as well, we can't just write them off like this.
I believe whining about him before he's even played a game because a player not as good as him isn't playing to be lacking in the respect he man deserves. It's my opinion. If you disagree then that's up to you. We obviously have differing views on respect.
Do Anderson and Cleverley suit a 2 man midfield?
In all our matches off late we've had Rooney sitting deep and helping out midfield while today we have RvP and Hernandez who won't really be doing that. Giggs and Carrick are likely to get overrun without any help.
Giggs and Carrick. Pedestrian.
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Ruddy Whittaker Bassong Turner Garrido Johnson Pilkington Hoolahan Tettey Snodgrass Holt
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442 or be gone - thats your lot.