Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

Is Ole a good appointment?

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buchansleftleg said:
I think the only issue left for OGS to show his abilities in, is to assess his current squads abilities and to make the sort of ruthless decisions that marked Sir Alex's multiple squads.

In terms of managing people he has been incredibly positive.

Tactically the team is playing better

What has held back other young managers has been over familiarity with some players and a reluctance to spot players declining.

No one is perfect at it, even SAF got it wrong with Stam but he spotted that others had peaked like Ince, Hughes and Rooney and made radical plans to replace them.

Picking new players is a bit of a lottery and we didn't spend money in January so that is difficult to assess, but if he spent 3 hours with Woodward then I hope it was to assess the squad and agree a succession plan to overhaul it.
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Great news that rumours are building as to his permanent contract.

With a top-draw DOF by his side assisting with the squad rebuild I think we could be onto something truly magical here.

I think something people don't give enough credit is the fact that for Ole this job is it, the pinnacle of management. Do you think he'd be off to Barca or Real if they came calling?

I don't think you could say this for Poch, Zidane, Allegri, Simeone or any of the other candidates. I don't think they'd see this job in the same way that he does.

For me, as a fan who was brought up on Sir-Alex alone, that's huge.

It's the way it should be, and with a long-term manager and structure (even if we're not as successful as we were under sir-alex, which lets face it - is the reality considering the increase in competition) would bring back that mystique and appeal which we've lost with the recent turnover.

Also I think another underated aspect, and it might sound silly but - I'd support Ole for far longer during the tough times as opposed to, well, basically any other outside candidate. Same as with Sir-Alex, you didn't jump to the sack race thread as soon as you hit a bad stretch of form or a lackluster transfer window.

For me Ole's the man, I think anybody else would be missing a wonderful opportunity to put this club back where it belongs.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Sarriball is supposed to be a compliment, it was based on the fast paced 1 touch football Napoli played, especially when countering.
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I don't know. It sounds like a ridiculous nickname someone makes up to mock you, then everyone starts to call you that and nothing you can do about it. I said it with a small hope that United fans would stop using Ole-ball.(omg)
 
kaiz said:
I don't know. It sounds like a ridiculous nickname someone makes up to mock you, then everyone starts to call you that and nothing you can do about it. I said it with a small hope that United fans would stop using Ole-ball.(omg)
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I’m telling you for a fact, it’s not opinion. it’s a compliment. you can use it how you like but it won’t make sense.
 
Kapardin said:
Yep. The showing at PSG was like the second half of Spurs and Leicester where we ran out of ideas and hung on....except that PSG scored. Not denying he's been a brilliant caretaker manager, but so far, that's all he's been.



If he loses those games because of injuries and lack of personnel, no-one will hold it against him. But if he loses because he is outwitted tactically like he was in the second half against Spurs and in the PSG game (injuries not withstanding), I reckon he shouldn't get the job.

Nobody worries about losing, but there's a way to lose. Sevilla and PSG aren't it (though the latter isn't as disgraceful as the former). His comment about individual quality winning games as opposed to in-game tactics also worried me.
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We all could see as fans that we were being outplayed in midfield because they had extra men in there. Surely all the coaches could see this also. Fred or McTominay could have been introduced, instead of any of the 2 brought on. It was 0-0 at this time.
 
Bestietom said:
Some fans will judge Ole on the upcoming games against Chelsea, Liverpool, City, and the return game against PSG. if we lose all those games the previous 10 games will be forgotten and he will start to get slated.

Funny old game, Football
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People have been judging him during 10 games unbeaten run and wanted him as a permanent manager so why shouldn't he be judged if we lose all these games you mentioned? I just hope our board is not that stupid (they probably are) and don't make a final decision on next manager until the end of the season. Judging a manager from 10 matches is crazy, especially as we still can't be sure whether it is Ole or "anyone but Jose" effect on the squad. I guess we will find out soon, interesting to see how we bounce back from PSG.
 
Bestietom said:
We all could see as fans that we were being outplayed in midfield because they had extra men in there. Surely all the coaches could see this also. Fred or McTominay could have been introduced, instead of any of the 2 brought on. It was 0-0 at this time.
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Fred has barely played and McTominay looks out of his depth. He brought on Mata who is calm on the ball. That was the only real choice he had. Don't you think if we had a great defensive midfielder he would have brought him on, or played him from the start? This isn't his squad and the squad is crap.
 
If we look at timelines, the work to appoint a Permanent manager must be well on the way already.
We are 3 months from the season end. Pre-Season needs to be planned. Players coming in and contract extensions must be planned right now.
Contract of the identifield manager must be bought out.
In that aspect there may well be substance to this reporting.

Molde will be a much simpler board to negotiate with.

Personally I hope the reports are true.
 
Kapardin said:
Yep. The showing at PSG was like the second half of Spurs and Leicester where we ran out of ideas and hung on....except that PSG scored. Not denying he's been a brilliant caretaker manager, but so far, that's all he's been.



If he loses those games because of injuries and lack of personnel, no-one will hold it against him. But if he loses because he is outwitted tactically like he was in the second half against Spurs and in the PSG game (injuries not withstanding), I reckon he shouldn't get the job.

Nobody worries about losing, but there's a way to lose. Sevilla and PSG aren't it (though the latter isn't as disgraceful as the former). His comment about individual quality winning games as opposed to in-game tactics also worried me.
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He has just been a brilliant caretaker...what's the difference between that and a full-time manager? Do you think any full-time manager would have the win ratio he has??? "Pssst it's the best form in the league, superior to all the other managers"
What if I told you, you don't have to dominate every minute of every game.....
 
Ole being our permanent manager is a logical certainty. We’ll announce it at the end of the season. Hopefully we can reach top four, continue to play attacking football and plan ahead with regards to incomings and outgoings.

Give him a few players (centre half and a right winger being two of them) and build around the attacking instincts of Martial, Rashford and Pogba and we will be in a good position to go into next season.

I’m all aboard.
 
Stacks said:
He has just been a brilliant caretaker...what's the difference between that and a full-time manager? Do you think any full-time manager would have the win ratio he has??? "Pssst it's the best form in the league, superior to all the other managers"
What if I told you, you don't have to dominate every minute of every game.....
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Relax, I like Ole and I won't mind him getting the permanent job, though I would be equally happy if Poch gets it as I believe personally that he is the superior manager in this moment. But this forum has become awfully sensitive at the slightest criticism of Ole. While it is because of his admittedly superb start, it shouldn't define how we judge him in every game.
 
Kapardin said:
Relax, I like Ole and I won't mind him getting the permanent job, though I would be equally happy if Poch gets it as I believe personally that he is the superior manager in this moment. But this forum has become awfully sensitive at the slightest criticism of Ole. While it is because of his admittedly superb start, it shouldn't define how we judge him in every game.
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To be fair I was just trying to be funny. In all honesty Poch is the sensible choice as he is the better manager in almost all aspects of management or atleast has demonstrated so. As I have pretty much given up on the Poch dream, I am already mentally preparing for Ole as anyone else would present a bigger risk, which sounds crazy when you think he is just a surprise caretaker in the first instance
 
Kapardin said:
Relax, I like Ole and I won't mind him getting the permanent job, though I would be equally happy if Poch gets it as I believe personally that he is the superior manager in this moment. But this forum has become awfully sensitive at the slightest criticism of Ole. While it is because of his admittedly superb start, it shouldn't define how we judge him in every game.
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Poch would offer absolutely nothing more than what Ole did so far and would have lost to PSG in similar fashion or even worse too. The only thing Poch is superior at is experience, something Ole will gain by time.

I can't get my head about any reason to pay 40m to get Poch while we all know what he's going to offer will be nothing more than Ole so far, top 4 and KO stages in CL.

I'll prefer to stick with Ole then and endure some losses. Also Ole has a big advantage of getting the full support of fans. They'll be all behind him unlike any other foreign manager who will bring division again and some will take his side and others will take the board's one when the results go south. With Ole all the fans will be united behind him.
 
soccergirl said:
I agreed with you, the stats said that DDG make 16 saves, yes, 16 saves. Would have lost that game if DDG wasn't our GK.
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Yeah but he is.

If Messi didn't play for Barcelona they probably wouldn't be win as many games, we are allowed to have a good goalkeeper. People seem to forget that Ole has walked into a struggling team and has only had a few weeks to get his ideas across. He has been incredible and whilst he might not be the best manager out there I have a suspicion that he may be the best manager for us, maybe there is a reason that Barcelona rarely go for the biggest name super manager and stick with people who either have ties with the club or identify with the Barcelona ethos.
 
Foxtrot said:
He was found out yesterday. Jose would have beaten PSG or at least get us a draw. We beat Juventus on away goals and Juventus is regarded as a better team than PSG. Absolute disgrace we just capitalated.
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This is one of the most baseless comments I've read on RedCafe.

We would have gone out eventually to PSG under Mourinho, even if we bored the world to sneak a 0-0 draw at home. Jose got beaten by Juve at Old Trafford and we lost to Valencia in a must win game (we could have topped the group) and we also went out to Sevilla last year after they beat us at Old Trafford!

Your comment couldn't have been any further from an evidence-based reality.
 
el3mel said:
Poch would offer absolutely nothing more than what Ole did so far and would have lost to PSG in similar fashion or even worse too. The only thing Poch is superior at is experience, something Ole will gain by time.

I can't get my head about any reason to pay 40m to get Poch while we all know what he's going to offer will be nothing more than Ole so far, top 4 and KO stages in CL.

I'll prefer to stick with Ole then and endure some losses. Also Ole has a big advantage of getting the full support of fans. They'll be all behind him unlike any other foreign manager who will bring division again and some will take his side and others will take the board's one when the results go south. With Ole all the fans will be united behind him.
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A new manager will also bring his own team of backroom staff. Perhaps not a full clear out, but disruption nevertheless.
And as I said above, the timeline is against having a new manager in place unless we have already agreed terms with someone.
Highly unlikely.
 
Kapardin said:
Yep. The showing at PSG was like the second half of Spurs and Leicester where we ran out of ideas and hung on....except that PSG scored. Not denying he's been a brilliant caretaker manager, but so far, that's all he's been.



If he loses those games because of injuries and lack of personnel, no-one will hold it against him. But if he loses because he is outwitted tactically like he was in the second half against Spurs and in the PSG game (injuries not withstanding), I reckon he shouldn't get the job.

Nobody worries about losing, but there's a way to lose. Sevilla and PSG aren't it (though the latter isn't as disgraceful as the former). His comment about individual quality winning games as opposed to in-game tactics also worried me.
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But it's true. Football is essentially a game where it's very rare to have a team, however well trained, beat a team that is super creative and skilled. That's why there is a limit in attacking training if the players are not on par.

Of course, you can do some stuff, like Pep insisting on having the wingers staying up and on their side to force the opposition team to stay back, etc... but in term of how the team is going to move the ball, nobody can beat players who trust their abilities and are skillful on and off the ball.

Tactics are for defensive phases and crucial to work out how to recover the ball and get it out but anything that happens in the last third of the pitch is basically magic from the best footballers. Put peak Ronaldinho in our team with Pogba, Martial, Rashford and I guarantee you that every opponent will stay back and never dare go up.
 
I'm staring to question if OGS will back up his big words by giving youth a serious chance*

3x CMs on the bench tonight, while the travelling Chong sits out. I'm really struggling with that decision, especially as it seems we are dropping our usual 433 for a diamond (I.e. his bench has imited ability to switch back to 433 if needed)

Its concerning if a United manager is unwilling to take a risk on youth, particularly in the current situation of 2x injured 1st teamers and the senior rotation options underperforming

* yes I know he has McTom and Perreira on the bench tonight, but they already made a breakthrough under previous managers and are a tested/ safe option
 
Bola said:
I'm staring to question if OGS will back up his big words by giving youth a serious chance*

3x CMs on the bench tonight, while the travelling Chong sits out. I'm really struggling with that decision, especially as it seems we are dropping our usual 433 for a diamond (I.e. his bench has imited ability to switch back to 433 if needed)

Its concerning if a United manager is unwilling to take a risk on youth, particularly in the current situation of 2x injured 1st teamers and the senior rotation options underperforming

* yes I know he has McTom and Perreira on the bench tonight, but they already made a breakthrough under previous managers and are a tested/ safe option
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Maybe ask yourself how ready Chong is to play away at Chelsea if someone like Ole doesn't think he's right for the bench, despite us having few other options. It's not fair on the player to throw him in if he's not ready.
 
Maybe its because he knows that his own club fans are super fickle and will be asking for his Job (or won't support him getting the full time job) if he takes the risk and it doesn't pay off.
 
hungrywing said:
Dare we hope.

He's been perfect imo. And looks extremely likely to continue to be perfect going forward. Sign him up.
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Second half against Spurs and PSG was far from perfect. In both those halfs he was outdone tactically.
 
Bola said:
I'm staring to question if OGS will back up his big words by giving youth a serious chance*

3x CMs on the bench tonight, while the travelling Chong sits out. I'm really struggling with that decision, especially as it seems we are dropping our usual 433 for a diamond (I.e. his bench has imited ability to switch back to 433 if needed)

Its concerning if a United manager is unwilling to take a risk on youth, particularly in the current situation of 2x injured 1st teamers and the senior rotation options underperforming

* yes I know he has McTom and Perreira on the bench tonight, but they already made a breakthrough under previous managers and are a tested/ safe option
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Good lord, did you see Chong against Reading? A breath of fresh air, but easily disposessed. A knock-out match at Stamford Bridge is hardly the time and place to give him this chance.
 
Jazz said:
No. Two men have dinner and a handshake and the press knows exactly what was discussed? Did they put a mike somewhere near their table?
Think they're just trying to get clicks.
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Eh, if I was Ole's agent I'd probably be trying to get the press to help pressure Woodward and the club into giving Ole a contract. Maybe throw out a link to another club that's been impressed, like a Leverkusen or Leicester sized club that you could believe Ole would consider a good job if given like a 3 year deal, scare the club off Pochettino or whoever if it's someone that would take time to secure.
 
Ole has made a faux pax tonight. He has talked up sanchez but starts with the slow man mata.

Id have given sanchez, who has more pace a chance in a fluid front 3
 
Fantastic. Found a new system to adapt to the injuries. Hugely impressive from Ole.
 
Best performance at the Bridge in years.

Tactically spot on by Ole despite missing 2 key players. Very commendable so far.
 
Found out tactically again today. Disgusting that City were 4-0 up at half time against this lot and we barely scrapped through two headers. Jose would be winning 7-0 now.

Honestly he’s absolutely brilliant.
 
We've done okay. I mean Chelsea have been fecking woeful.
 
Eriku said:
Good lord, did you see Chong against Reading? A breath of fresh air, but easily disposessed. A knock-out match at Stamford Bridge is hardly the time and place to give him this chance.
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It was more that he was the only 'new' academy player that went with the squad and didn't get a spot on the bench. Would like him as an wide option in case it didn't work out tonight, rather than 3 x CMs

Looks like we won't need him though :-)
 
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As long as he keeps this stuff up in domestic competitions I'm happy as a larry. Who cares if we got shown up by PSG?
 
Red Stone said:
As long as he keeps this stuff up in domestic competitions I'm happy as a larry. Who cares if we got shown up by PSG?
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Aye. If he performs well in the big domestic games (and by perform well I don't neccessarily mean he has to win them all) then I wouldn't worry about a defeat to a clearly superior side in Europe. The PSG defeat would only be a problem for me if it was in conjunction with continued dissapointment in big games.
 
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