Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

Is Ole a good appointment?

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AJ10 said:
Well, I never said you were comparing but that you brought Ole in the discussion as I was just refereeing to your example and not making it manager vs manager, so I guess you should really read first then comment.......maybe its in your "head"?

please show me (I am sure you won't read this part) where i said its wrong to post additional games?. If you actually read first then you'll realise I said if you posted those examples before i wouldn't have commented (How hard is that for you to understand?).

Really Ironic since you're the one telling me to read first then comment. :lol::nervous::lol:

I have made the part BOLD where you need to pay attention.
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It's not my mistake that you took the number of games posted was the full number of games, that was just example. It's not even hard to understand.

Meh this is just waste of time. You have no point and just posting nonsense. Keep posting few more smileys, that makes more sense than what you type.
 
glazed said:
See that's where I disagree. Ole often wins games but we don't always look dominant like a champion should. Remember Spurs, for example? I think we're a good shout for top three under Ole, but he'll need to do more to win. And he'll need to know what that more is, so he can buy the right players, like Pep bought Allinson. And I'm not sure yet that he does.
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But Liverpool were dominant against an injury-plagued United team?

Give me a break, you are making little sense in your arguments. Over the course of a season you won’t dominate all games.

And Pep bought who? :lol:
 
podurban2 said:
But Liverpool were dominant against an injury-plagued United team?

Give me a break, you are making little sense in your arguments. Over the course of a season you won’t dominate all games.

And Pep bought who? :lol:
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Err Ederson. Still waking up.
Look, fans over react to both success and failure. That can't have escaped the notice of even the most hard core supporter. Just think we should take a step back and look at what Ole's run does and does not prove. For me it proves he's right for the job, but not yet that he can win the league.
 
glazed said:
See that's where I disagree. Ole often wins games but we don't always look dominant like a champion should. Remember Spurs, for example? I think we're a good shout for top three under Ole, but he'll need to do more to win. And he'll need to know what that more is, so he can buy the right players, like Pep bought Allinson. And I'm not sure yet that he does.
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Wow. Real glass half empty post. Remember the first week of december? Remember how bad we were and how all of our best players wanted to leave...

Ole hasn't got the experience to manage big names and big egos. Ole will struggle when he meets a top team like Spurs. Ole is just a cheerleader and doesn't have the tactical mind to compete in the big games. Ole will struggle when he needs to rotate...

All of the above have been cited and dismissed. He has got every one of our players playing better than before and all of this with a smile on his face always projecting positivity.

For me as a utd fan of 40 years he is a breath of fresh air. Sure, there are challenges down the line but i trust Ole and his very competent team of utd legend backroom staff to meet all of these head on with the same positivity. ALL utd games are now non missable events.

All this achieved without a transfer window using someone elses players. As far as signings go he has already made noises in the right direction - he's name checked Sancho in post match interviews over the past few weeks.

There may be trouble ahead but as a previous man utd great said "what a beautiful adventure"
 
roonster09 said:
Any decision is a 50-50 for now. We really don't know how it would be with DoF. I just posted that as I really don't know how good Solskjaer is in identifying players to improve the team.
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Likewise, he's had nowhere near the funds or the draw of Manchester United in his previous jobs so its an unknown. I'd be interested to see his approach though, I reckon he knows exactly what we need to cement our attacking line up though perhaps might not be as comfortable in sorting defenders. who knows!
 
GBBQ said:
Likewise, he's had nowhere near the funds or the draw of Manchester United in his previous jobs so its an unknown. I'd be interested to see his approach though, I reckon he knows exactly what we need to cement our attacking line up though perhaps might not be as comfortable in sorting defenders. who knows!
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Yeah, he will have lots of money and the caliber of players we need is completely different. Will be interesting to see his approach in transfer market.

Going by his team selection, he will go for quick players.
 
United have won 8 consecutive away games for the first time in our history, OGS has come in and smashed that record like it was joke. What a man!! I wonder where we would be if Jose was sacked in October/November. We are 5 points off 3rd also, one of the best performances under OGS considering the injuries.
 
TRUERED89 said:
United have won 8 consecutive away games for the first time in our history, OGS has come in and smashed that record like it was joke. What a man!! I wonder where we would be if Jose was sacked in October/November. We are 5 points off 3rd also, one of the best performances under OGS considering the injuries.
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It doesn't bare thinking about where we'd be if Jose were still here, it seriously doesn't
 
charlenefan said:
It doesn't bare thinking about where we'd be if Jose were still here, it seriously doesn't
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I didn't say where would we be if Jose was still here, I said where would we be if he was sacked earlier than he was i.e. October/November, rather than mid December. We'd likely be above Spurs and Poch.
 
If our form remains anywhere close to what it has been up to now there is no way he isn't getting the job permanently.
 
Tarrou said:
we wanted to see him tested and now he's being tested with this injury crisis, and he's dealt with it brilliantly

today was way more comfortable that a full strength Mourinho team would've managed
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Ban said:
Is it just me or defense is getting better and better. In the start of his stint we looked a bit shaky and nervous in defense even though we're winning. Recently we looked composed and secure at the back and there was not so much panic as before.
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Agreed, defence is gaining composure and assertiveness. I guess it is all that happy face smiling taking effect.
 
Dunno if it's been mentioned, but he totally pinched that tactic of double fullbacks to nullify a flank from Tuchel. Thought that was very clever and something SAF would have done.
 
Dion said:
Dunno if it's been mentioned, but he totally pinched that tactic of double fullbacks to nullify a flank from Tuchel. Thought that was very clever and something SAF would have done.
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Thought that was clever too, considering Palace fully rely on Zaha offensively. Only works if at least one of them is an attacking fullback though. Lucky for us both Dalot and Young can be a threat going forward.
 
sullydnl said:
Just occurred to me that the silliness of that comment from Ince also reflects the silliness of the previous "give Giggs the job because he learned from SAF" arguments people put forward on here. No, just having been around SAF (as countless failed managers were as players) doesn't mean you're a good choice to be manager and yes, learning your trade at a lower level (as Solskjaer has over several years) can help even at a club like Manchester United.
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We've had experienced managers, LVG, Mourinho and Moyes. All of whom failed for various reasons. I think what is making Ole succeed is his personality, players want to play for him. Ince would fail in this regard, he strikes me as someone that would scold you and leave you feeling bitter about it.
 
The transformation from he who shall not be named to this current Ole United continues to boggle the mind.
 
Managers like Jose, Moyes and LVG are "experienced".

Ole is experienced too.

The difference is, Ole is experienced in Manchester United, and experienced in Sir Alex Ferguson's immense management when he learned from him.
 
Man, our fans ruined the 'Ole's at the wheel' chant by adding 'You scouse b******s' at the end during the match yesterday.
 
VJ1762 said:
Man, our fans ruined the 'Ole's at the wheel' chant by adding 'You scouse b******s' at the end during the match yesterday.
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Yep heard it this morning , much more in their line to get rid of Fred and add someone else than adding them to a decent Chant.
 
He undeniably experienced an expected honeymoon period which yielded a great run of results but you can see him growing as a manager in every way on a weekly basis now. It’s only natural that someone who previously only managed Cardiff and Molde has to grow into the role and he is doing that.

With Phelan and Carrick alongside him, he should at least be given next season now.
 
My only real concern with OGS to date was whether he would give chances to youth, this is in the context of underperforming players who were given chance after chance and were failing.

While I was a little dispointted to see none of the new youngsters get a game yesterday, it was great all 4 of them were in the travelling squad, 2 made the bench and one got some minutes. Also it's great to see the faith being put in Mctom and Dalot, while Perreira was awarded another oppurtunity to play after previous poor performances.

I have no doubt that OGS should get the job full time, but I would like to see him continue to give youth a chance, even when our players return from injury. Harder ganes is understandable, but when we play relegation fodder like Fulham, I'd be dispointted if he does not at least name one of the players on the bench
 
Bola said:
My only real concern with OGS to date was whether he would give chances to youth, this is in the context of underperforming players who were given chance after chance and were failing.

While I was a little dispointted to see none of the new youngsters get a game yesterday, it was great all 4 of them were in the travelling squad, 2 made the bench and one got some minutes. Also it's great to see the faith being put in Mctom and Dalot, while Perreira was awarded another oppurtunity to play after previous poor performances.

I have no doubt that OGS should get the job full time, but I would like to see him continue to give youth a chance, even when our players return from injury. Harder ganes is understandable, but when we play relegation fodder like Fulham, I'd be dispointted if he does not at least name one of the players on the bench
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games :wenger:.

Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
 
Trizy said:
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games :wenger:.

Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
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Very strange, it's actually surprising that he's put as much emphasis on youth (in pressers, bringing them with the squad, handing a couple of debuts) given he's only interim manager.
 
Trizy said:
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games :wenger:.

Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
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Hmmm. I praised OGS in that post for Mctom and Perreira who featured the last 2 games, plus 2 x younger players who were selected yesterday ?!?

To clarify, my concerns were earlier this year where he regularly played underperforming players and youngsters didn't even make the bench in 'easier' games like Fulham. Players don't suddenly become superstars on hitting a magic age, they need to be nurtured with the odd oppurtunity here and there. My conceen was that did not seem to be happening and faith in OGS wavered on this particular area
 
Paul778 said:
Wow. Real glass half empty post.
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See that's the problem round here. Anyone saying the glass might not be full to overflowing is seen as negative. Exactly the same mindset reigned in the first months of the last three managers. Some headbangers were supporting Jose right to the last moment because they didn't want to be disloyal or negative. Identifying possible weaknesses (and it is only a possible weakness) is not being negative.
 
I don't care (well, I do care) but what I mean is, even if we don't make it to top 4 or do not win FA cup, even then I have got that love for united back. Now, I spend hours and hours watching pre-match and post match comments and analysis. I have started writing back at caf, I anxiously waiting for the next match and I have started feeling half confident even before the start of match about winning it. All in all that love for manchester united is back and I can't remember the last time I felt like that in the last 5 or 6 years post Sir Alex. All thanks to Ole for bringing that mojo back.
 
When Ole took over our goal difference was zero. It's now nineteen
 
glazed said:
See that's the problem round here. Anyone saying the glass might not be full to overflowing is seen as negative. Exactly the same mindset reigned in the first months of the last three managers. Some headbangers were supporting Jose right to the last moment because they didn't want to be disloyal or negative. Identifying possible weaknesses (and it is only a possible weakness) is not being negative.
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I'm getting a bit sick of this 'OGS United' mentality, similar to how it is with certain players.

I really want him to be manager full time and hope his reign is longer than Sir Alex's, but he is not infallible and there will always be errors or areas he can improve upon. There is no harm in criticising certain areas and discussing it rationally
 
Paul778 said:
Wow. Real glass half empty post. Remember the first week of december? Remember how bad we were and how all of our best players wanted to leave...

Ole hasn't got the experience to manage big names and big egos. Ole will struggle when he meets a top team like Spurs. Ole is just a cheerleader and doesn't have the tactical mind to compete in the big games. Ole will struggle when he needs to rotate...

All of the above have been cited and dismissed. He has got every one of our players playing better than before and all of this with a smile on his face always projecting positivity.

For me as a utd fan of 40 years he is a breath of fresh air. Sure, there are challenges down the line but i trust Ole and his very competent team of utd legend backroom staff to meet all of these head on with the same positivity. ALL utd games are now non missable events.

All this achieved without a transfer window using someone elses players. As far as signings go he has already made noises in the right direction - he's name checked Sancho in post match interviews over the past few weeks.

There may be trouble ahead but as a previous man utd great said "what a beautiful adventure"
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Great post
 
The biggest compliment I can give ole and the staff is that for the first time since Fergie I don’t fear anybody anymore. I feel we can go into every match and be competitive. I didn’t feel like that under the last 3.

I’m so glad it wasn’t just a honeymoon phase for the players. They’ve all raised their games 10% and whoever plays is committed and doing well.

Ole clearly has a vision and a way he wants to play which is with a positive mentality. Even though he wants to be attacking he isn’t neglecting the defending either. We’ve improved in both parts.

I can’t wait to see what he does with the summer window.
 
Bola said:
I'm getting a bit sick of this 'OGS United' mentality, similar to how it is with certain players.

I really want him to be manager full time and hope his reign is longer than Sir Alex's, but he is not infallible and there will always be errors or areas he can improve upon. There is no harm in criticising certain areas and discussing it rationally
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I'm not saying he is infallible - hence the statement at the bottom of my post about it being a beautiful adventure. However, I would have bitten your hand off to be where we are now back in December.

The main reason for the post was the OP talking about not being proven about having the ability to pick the right players, when he hasn't had a transfer window to work with (January doesn't count since the board it seems wasn't prepared to back him then), since that is a criticism he could do nothing to fix until he has a real window to work in.
 
Bola said:
I'm getting a bit sick of this 'OGS United' mentality, similar to how it is with certain players.

I really want him to be manager full time and hope his reign is longer than Sir Alex's, but he is not infallible and there will always be errors or areas he can improve upon. There is no harm in criticising certain areas and discussing it rationally
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Exactly. Thank you
 
Paul778 said:
I'm not saying he is infallible - hence the statement at the bottom of my post about it being a beautiful adventure. However, I would have bitten your hand off to be where we are now back in December.

The main reason for the post was the OP talking about not being proven about having the ability to pick the right players, when he hasn't had a transfer window to work with (January doesn't count since the board it seems wasn't prepared to back him then), since that is a criticism he could do nothing to fix until he has a real window to work in.
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Mine post was a general comment about 'insert player/ manager United' mentality

Your point above seems fair about OGS. He's not had chance to bring in or offload players yet. Besides, the modern game means this is less of a manager responsibility and one where they are limited to input to decisions rather than solely taking them
 
Paul778 said:
I'm not saying he is infallible - hence the statement at the bottom of my post about it being a beautiful adventure. However, I would have bitten your hand off to be where we are now back in December.

The main reason for the post was the OP talking about not being proven about having the ability to pick the right players, when he hasn't had a transfer window to work with (January doesn't count since the board it seems wasn't prepared to back him then), since that is a criticism he could do nothing to fix until he has a real window to work in.
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I think the point is that Jose tried to make very good players compete while walking on their hands and they weren't very good at it. Allowing them to use their feet naturally makes them better and that's what Ole has done - which is rather the point Paul Ince was making. Now he's done it very very well and I'm super-impressed and hope he gets the job. But is it enough on its own to win a title? Not convinced yet.
 
Still winning his own league by some margin.

http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website :drool:)

+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea

It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.

I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.

No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
 
glazed said:
I think the point is that Jose tried to make very good players compete while walking on their hands and they weren't very good at it. Allowing them to use their feet naturally makes them better and that's what Ole has done - which is rather the point Paul Ince was making. Now he's done it very very well and I'm super-impressed and hope he gets the job. But is it enough on its own to win a title? Not convinced yet.
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I'm almost certain he's already been offered the job permanently but it won't be announced until the end of the season. I feel he is the right choice for us at this time and hope he does well next season. To win the PL is a big step but I'll expect us to challenge for it.
 
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