Ole has no system that I can see ..... or do I just need better glasses?

Will he ever understand how easy he makes it for the opposition to cut off the attack from the midfield in that pathetically outdated 4231?!
 
Adisa said:
Let's face it. He's not not good enough. Look at his CV ffs!
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Sadly people will continue to back him until the bitter end and blame everything except him: Glazers, Woodward, fans, players.

We have no footballing identity under Ole. It seems like he throws any old line-up together and tells the lads to go and enjoy themselves. He has been close to the sack a few times only to be saved by a miraculous run of results. This is a man that was never hired to be a full time United manager. He's a caretaker manager who's only achievement is relegating Cardiff and got the job because of a handball in a CL game. Until we get a manager with some identity and footballing pedigree, we will never achieve anything of significance.
 
There wasn't really an identifiable style today and we did look easy to play against but I do sympathise with Solskjaer to some extent. Our squad depth is the worst of any team in the top 6 - even teams like Wolves and possibly Everton have better players to call upon from the bench.

Until we start showing the right ambition to replace players who patently aren't good enough and actually back the manager in the transfer market we will continue to have the same problems. If after that Solskjaer still fails to deliver, fair enough, you can say he's had a fair go at it. Hopefully today will give the decision makers a kick up the arse to get some signings in.
 
His demeanour on the touchline annoys me a bit, which was summed up today by his reaction to the penalty and subsequent retake.

Klopp, Mou, Pep, etc would have been livid with the decision and showing their feelings clearly but Ole just sort of limply argued his case to the fourth official. I think it invites pressure on the players and kinda personifies the lack of fight we see on the pitch (or maybe I'm reading too much into it...)

I get that he trusts the players to get on with things -- and if he has a style, that's it -- but I think a bit of showmanship at the right moment would help.
 
Vidyoyo said:
His demeanour on the touchline annoys me a bit, which was summed up today by his reaction to the penalty and subsequent retake.

Klopp, Mou, Pep, etc would have been livid but Ole just sort of limply argued his case to the fourth official. I think it invites pressure on the players when a manager doesn't seem to have the player's backs like that. It kinda personifies the lack of fight we see on the pitch.

I get that he trusts the players to get on with things -- and if he has a style, that's it -- but I think some fight at the right moments would help.
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Sir Alex would have gone absolutely mad and probably gotten sent off.
 
Everything about this side is disjointed when the team we're up against is organised.
If we don't get an early goal, teams know how to set up against us.

Today, yet again what I saw was.
When CBs had the ball. Our midfield spread out. No short options available
When in the final third, everyone bunches up and plays 2ft passes.

Pressing is option it seems. Some do, some dont, but that just leaves gaps.
Movement? Who needs that?
 
Unfortunately due to the lack of signings he is going be given excuses by many fans for producing poor results and awful unimaginative displays of football even though people argued last season that he should be judged when he had his full squad fit but that's still not enough to blame him it seems.
 
We have no noticeable style of play other than play out from the back and look to counter with pace, no.

A lot of the good results we've had were often down to individual pieces of brilliance.
 
I didn't read through the whole thread because time and effort, but how much can this be down to coaching staff?
 
Godfather said:
Play without any width seems to be his only system
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I think we have width but it's just with players who are unlikely to threaten much when they have that time/space e.g. our fullbacks who aren't known to be good crossers. I honestly don't know why we keep persisting with this style. I think the opposition are quite happy for us to have it wide as odds are they won't pick someone out and we don't usually have a player in the box who's physicality could make something out of nothing.

Whereas, despite them being off the pace today, if we could get Pogba and Bruno up the pitch together more they might make something between them. Think we'd be better suited having a fullback holding back a bit/tucking in to allow both Pogba and Bruno to push up.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Yes. That's what oppo fans are laughing at with Utd.

If Utd fans simply cheered through the Woodward era, oppo fans wouldn't be laughing at Utd.

Obvious WUM. Should be fecking banned.
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You’re right, opposition fans won’t find anything funny about the teary eyed kneejerkery on here will they.
 
Lee565 said:
Unfortunately due to the lack of signings he is going be given excuses by many fans for producing poor results and awful unimaginative displays of football even though people argued last season that he should be judged when he had his full squad fit but that's still not enough to blame him it seems.
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Always coming up for all kinds of excuses for him. He just isnt good enough. No way near good enough to manage a club of our stature.
 
He’s reliant on individual brilliance. We aren’t a good side. We have a lot of players capable of moments of brilliance, but we aren’t a team.
 
Vidyoyo said:
His demeanour on the touchline annoys me a bit, which was summed up today by his reaction to the penalty and subsequent retake.

Klopp, Mou, Pep, etc would have been livid with the decision and showing their feelings clearly but Ole just sort of limply argued his case to the fourth official. I think it invites pressure on the players and kinda personifies the lack of fight we see on the pitch (or maybe I'm reading too much into it...)

I get that he trusts the players to get on with things -- and if he has a style, that's it -- but I think a bit of showmanship at the right moment would help.
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I do think this makes a difference. Not changing the decision obviously, but the effect it has on the team when the manager is more passionate
 
dev1l said:
45 minutes into the season and the knee jerking already started.
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Not sure why you’d say that when we’ve been pretty dire since Fergie retired, bar a couple of decent stints. We’ve definitely improved since Ole arrived, in some ways, but taking issue with us playing the same as we have for years on end now isn’t knee jerking.
 
I don't think even Ole supporters think he's an tactical astute manager.

Overall his saving grace has been recruiting good players, keeping a happy dress room and playing most players in their best positions.

This is enough to bring on several good results but to pass the line and win something is another level imo. Whether Ole can pass this line or not, he hasn't shown he can till now.

I believe if he doesn't anything this season he won't be here the next one.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Will he ever understand how easy he makes it for the opposition to cut off the attack from the midfield in that pathetically outdated 4231?!
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There's nothing outdated about 4-2-3-1. Bayern are blowing away all comers, playing exactly the same formation. Several other top teams use it well. It's the quality of the playing personnel and coaching that makes the difference. How many times has Pep played without a recognised striker and his team scored for fun?
 
el3mel said:
I don't think even Ole supporters think he's an tactical astute manager.

Overall his saving grace has been recruiting good players
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Even thats debatable, Maguire is not a top CB, surely not a world record fee one. AWB is solid at the back but really limited in attack, James is a fecking waste of space, Bruno has been great but its only been half a season so to early to judge and VDB just arrived so no judgement at all.

His saving grace has been him repeting things about Sir Alex and how to get back to the old days etc etc all that is afforded to him because of his past here as a player. If he didnt had that history here he wouldn't be backed at all by fans.

He is an average manager at best, who is just making us waste time, we wont improve under him. We may play better if we get better players but Ole simply isnt capable of properly coaching a team, not to the highest standard at least.

People making excuses about the team not delivering because Ole has been left hang to dry because the board hasnt get the players, I agree thats a solid excuse for us not winning the title or the UCL no manager would do it with the current squad, but feck me we should be playing way better than this shit circus.

He's been here for 18 months and we still play as an improvised team.
 
Is Ole the best manager we could have? No.

Is Ole the reason we're falling behind our rivals right now? No.

Focus on the deep-rot, and not the blemishes that are initially visible.

We've been dreadful since SAF left. There have been 2 constants at the club since then. Woodward and the Glazers.

Nothing improves longterm until they go. The manager is irrelevant.
 
I think it should be obvious to any astute observer that Ole isn't a top manager, love him as many of us do (me included). He can do a good job setting a platform for us though, before a better calibre manager comes in to take us to the next level.

Edit: And I agree with groovyalbert, the bigger problems lie above Ole. If those aren't fixed, hard to see how our 'next level' comes.
 
Okey said:
I think it should be obvious to any astute observer that Ole isn't a top manager, love him as many of us do (me included). He can do a good job setting a platform for us though, before a better calibre manager comes in to take us to the next level.
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Problem is, that should have happened already.

The path we're on right now is setting us up to be reactive to a shite season, as opposed to what you're suggesting.
 
Ole has the clearest system anybody can see. It is fast, counter attacking football.

It's so clear that once you don't allow us to play that system, we fail miserably.
 
groovyalbert said:
Is Ole the best manager we could have? No.

Is Ole the reason we're falling behind our rivals right now? No.

Focus on the deep-rot, and not the blemishes that are initially visible.

We've been dreadful since SAF left. There have been 2 constants at the club since then. Woodward and the Glazers.

Nothing improves longterm until they go. The manager is irrelevant.
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Exactly. People around here need to understand this. We will never challenge for anything under this regime. They are the most incompetent fools to ever grace a club of our stature. They will literally run the club to rack and ruins in the long term. Things might look bleak right now but trust me, it's going to get much worse in the future if nothing changes.
 
Adisa said:
Let's face it. He's not not good enough. Look at his CV ffs!
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Not good enough and yet got us the highest league position any post-SAF manager has done in his first full season.

And that too when he's had less than half the same backing that the previous two managers had accumulatively gotten. By the same stage of their careers at Utd, Jose had 8 players in and LvG had a whopping 14. Ole has had 5 (6 if we include Ighalo). To have reshaped the starting XI with only 4 first team signings is testament to his ability as a manager.

But sure, LoOk At HiS cV...
 
There´s no fight in this team. Bruno injected some aggression when he first came, but theres no fight. I miss hard tackles, shouting at eachother, shouting and standing up to the opposing team after hard tackles, or even yell at the ref to wake the F*** up. Just something to get the blood flowing and up the intensity.
 
TrueRed79 said:
Exactly. People around here need to understand this. We will never challenge for anything under this regime. They are the most incompetent fools to ever grace a club of our stature. They will literally run the club to rack and ruins in the long term. Things might look bleak right now but trust me, it's going to get much worse in the future if nothing changes.
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What happened to:
- improving the players we already have
- not playing boring counter 1994 counter attacking football
- playing your best defender
- not playing your best player at DM
- not playing 4 2 3 1
- not playing dan james

There are a million other reasons than ED and the owners.
 
No, Ole doesn't have a systematic approach to the game. There's not an identifiable method to the movements of the players. Most of it is improvisation based on the individual qualities of the players. It's not a quality issue either; there are worse teams than us with better tactical structure, fluidity and cohesiveness. So, you have to explain why lesser players collectively play in a more well-coached fashion than better players. If Ole can't coach, then he needs to delegate to some coaches who can. Manage like Fergie did. Specialists.
 
youmeletsfly said:
What happened to:
- improving the players we already have
- not playing boring counter 1994 counter attacking football
- playing your best defender
- not playing your best player at DM
- not playing 4 2 3 1
- not playing dan james

There are a million other reasons than ED and the owners.
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Ole is here because of Ed and the board.

If we'd had Gill and owners who want to see us win, do you honestly think we wouldn't have got one of Pep or Klopp in the years since Fergie left?

Everything starts with how the club is run from the top. Our weaknesses on the pitch and in the team's management are down to their ineptitude and lack of knowledge.
 
groovyalbert said:
Ole is here because of Ed and the board.

If we'd had Gill and owners who want to see us win, do you honestly think we wouldn't have got one of Pep or Klopp in the years since Fergie left?

Everything starts with how the club is run from the top. Our weaknesses on the pitch and in the team's management are down to their ineptitude and lack of knowledge.
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This
 
All I see is a lot of possession in non-attacking area. Ball passes between the CB then to RB and back to LB. If I am the opposition with 1-0 lead and a good structure, you won’t beat me. There is nobody running the channels. Same shit week in and week out. I can’t see TOP 4 or TOP 6, likely out of TOP 6 this season. City, Pools, Chelsea, Everton, Arsenal, Wolves and even Tottenham seems to be better than us. I keep saying Ole is not the right person. Buying young and hungry players spending and hoping that individual performance to bring us TOP 4 or titles. Dream on Ole! Ole out!
 
groovyalbert said:
Ole is here because of Ed and the board.

If we'd had Gill and owners who want to see us win, do you honestly think we wouldn't have got one of Pep or Klopp in the years since Fergie left?

Everything starts with how the club is run from the top. Our weaknesses on the pitch and in the team's management are down to their ineptitude and lack of knowledge.
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i agree, but Ole is here as a manager and he should start to fecking do a manager's job pretty damn quick.

While there are issues at the top, I still think my initial.points stand.

Was he the wrong appointment, fecking hell he was, but he's been here 2 years and other than a, let's be honest, lucky top 3, we still play like shit, that is down to his fault.
 
rotherham_red said:
Not good enough and yet got us the highest league position any post-SAF manager has done in his first full season.

And that too when he's had less than half the same backing that the previous two managers had accumulatively gotten. By the same stage of their careers at Utd, Jose had 8 players in and LvG had a whopping 14. Ole has had 5 (6 if we include Ighalo). To have reshaped the starting XI with only 4 first team signings is testament to his ability as a manager.

But sure, LoOk At HiS cV...
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surely he does not need 8 new players or 14 new players to beat Palace at OT? We got thrashed today. Any decent manager will get us to play better football than this. When teams do not give space behind their back line, he does not do what to do. His tactics are nil as he does not seem to have any understanding of the opposition. Jose won two trophies in his first year.
 
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