To this point, I think City clearly has the stronger squad than Liverpool, but I think Liverpool has the better starting XI. Also, I would love to have a backup attacker like Willian or Pulisic, or a backup left back like Alonso, but no way would I want their whole squad over Liverpool's.
Ole & United vs. Frank & Chelsea: who will have the better season?
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Bookies would already have paid out. However Chelsea have quality throughout and on the fringes of their first team. Much credit to Lampard is due but was never a fair fight.
That would be fine, but as I said somewhere else there are far more poor teams than better teams and they beat the poor teams, which we don't. Ole found a system that seemed to be getting results then went back to a system that didn't.
Just realised fat Frank has won every away game since we beat them 4-0. 18 goals scored in those 5 games and in all reality, they should have thrashed us and would have if they scored first. Ole > Lampard though...
Yes, heard that on the radio last night. 7 away wins on the bounce in all competitions, only the second time they've ever done that and for the first time since 88/89. Suppose their fixture list has helped and they've clearly had better teams in the past but that's still impressive. Better than last time they did it anyway as they were in division 2 then.
What you are trying to say is that Chelsea players are all of a similar level and their back up players do not make their 1st team worse so they can fill in with no drama. Liverpool back up players outside of CM, are quite a bit worse but their 1st team players are so much better than Chelsea that it's meaningless. It just means Chelsea will cope with injuries better but does not make them a force to be reckoned with.
Lampard is making the best of what he has got but Chelsea still look meh to me. I don't look at them in awe of with any envy as there are not many players there that I crave. If someone said we are selling such and so to buy some of theirs, I'd only want Kante, Tammy (as rotation CF), Hudson (rotation option) and Kepa as a back up keeper. They don't actually have that great individuals.
You don't think any one of Jorginho, Kovacic, Pulisic or Mount would be a better option than any one of Fred, Pereira, Lingard or McTominay?
Jorginho,Kovacic,Willian,Pulisic,Mount,Abraham and even Pedro would walk into our midfield and attack quite comfortably.
Yet,I still wouldn't have full confidence in Ole and his staff in getting them consistently performing.
Yet,I still wouldn't have full confidence in Ole and his staff in getting them consistently performing.
Not going to overdo it with hype for our squad, but I have to say it has gone way better than I thought it would before the season started. I figured the likes of Mount, Tammy, and Tomori would be no more than League Cup/early round FA Cup players with the occasional PL start here and there. Some weren't even sure if Frank would fancy Jorginho and lots of our supporters (myself included) were at many points last season thinking Kovacic could go back to Madrid and we wouldn't be that bothered. Now those are all our best performers.
Have to also keep reminding ourselves that we've had big, important injuries this whole time. Kante, Rüdiger, and RLC are still to come in. Our best midfielder, our best defender, and a powerhouse box to box midfielder who was at times unplayable during our run-in last season before his injury.
Have to also keep reminding ourselves that we've had big, important injuries this whole time. Kante, Rüdiger, and RLC are still to come in. Our best midfielder, our best defender, and a powerhouse box to box midfielder who was at times unplayable during our run-in last season before his injury.
Chelsea will finish at least 15 points ahead.
Imagine having Utd's Midfield and not wanting Jorginho or Kovacic. 
Uniteds team is really poor, let's not beat around the bush. Pogba and De Gea aside, right now, who else would anyone want?
But it's not just on an individual level that you are bad, you are collectively a terrible team. The squad has been put together without any planning or foresight. I do not see many of them complimenting one another. You have quick forwards and 1 player capable of finding their runs (Pogba). What else?
On a technical level? No. You have a bunch of hard working pitbull midfielders. No Scholes or even a Carrick. Mata, as you guys say, is long past it. Sad, I loved the guy.
Wingers? You have 1 real winger, I dont see Rashford as a winger. He will never be a Ribery, who could actually cross a ball and score solo worldies. Martial the same thing, they are mismanaged forwards who will end up like Phil Jones, jack of all trades and master of none.
Forwards? No target man, No 'false 9'. Just 2 Inconsistent 9s. So you cant mix it up at all.
Defence is your one redeemable feature.
But it's not just on an individual level that you are bad, you are collectively a terrible team. The squad has been put together without any planning or foresight. I do not see many of them complimenting one another. You have quick forwards and 1 player capable of finding their runs (Pogba). What else?
On a technical level? No. You have a bunch of hard working pitbull midfielders. No Scholes or even a Carrick. Mata, as you guys say, is long past it. Sad, I loved the guy.
Wingers? You have 1 real winger, I dont see Rashford as a winger. He will never be a Ribery, who could actually cross a ball and score solo worldies. Martial the same thing, they are mismanaged forwards who will end up like Phil Jones, jack of all trades and master of none.
Forwards? No target man, No 'false 9'. Just 2 Inconsistent 9s. So you cant mix it up at all.
Defence is your one redeemable feature.
Imagine having Utd's Midfield and not wanting Jorginho or Kovacic.
Imagine getting beaten twice with our shite midfield
Am I the only one who thinks Rudiger is the better defender than Maguire?
Imagine getting beaten twice with our shite midfield
imagine being 10 points behind them in the league already
imagine being 10 points behind them in the league already
Imagine supporting Port Vale
I think Frank is going to be a very good manager. He appears to have a good understanding of the game, rules with a firm hand while still being liked by his players. He may be at Chelsea for quite some time.
#Frankout by plastic logic surely
Frank's boys have given up two own goals today (and two others)... I don't think Ole's have done that just yet.
20 minutes against 9 men... how'd that work out?
With us top of the group.
Ajax are top of the group going by UEFA site.
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Same here
Chelsea are playing some excellent football, credit to Lampard for that. Having good players is all well and good but to make them play well and create so many chances need proper coaching.
Very well? Considering we were down 2-4 and now hold the tiebreaker over Ajax
I know people are saying the sending offs had a massive effect but as you say we were 2-4 down when they happened. Not only were we 2-4 down but the sending offs didn't have any impact on the ensuing penalty which Jorghino despatched in his usual manner. So Chelsea were only 3-4 down when the restart happened against 9 men. An advantage only then came into being.
Not sure if the second sending off was for the bookable offense of handball or dissent/crowding the ref.
I think Reece James changed the game from an attacking and defensive point of view, makes so much difference having a dynamic RB.
He's the best out of all our academy products, I honestly believe he will be England's first choice RB from the Euro's onwards, even over Trent who I'm also a huge a fan of.
it does suck ill be honestImagine supporting Port Vale
I should have picked myself a big club, with history and all that good stuff
it does suck ill be honest
I should have picked myself a big club, with history and all that good stuff
It's more the Robbie Williams connection that's awful.
Mind you, Mick Hucknell is a Man United fan.
it does suck ill be honest
I should have picked myself a big club, with history and all that good stuff
Ahh well, too late now.
Oh g-d, that's true. That's where it all went wrong.
Ole might not even finish this season ha!
But I hope he grabs few wins every now and then, and board allows him to stay.
The whole debacle makes good entertainment for neutrals, moreso liverpudlians.
But I hope he grabs few wins every now and then, and board allows him to stay.
The whole debacle makes good entertainment for neutrals, moreso liverpudlians.
They have ole at the wheel
no. i would probably go with the football is the most awful thing tbh
never too late mate, i could switch allegiance to united tomorrow and be as legit as a vast number of your fanbase
its never too late to jump aboard the big club glory train
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He'll have to go some to overtake Tammy at the moment. I agree he looks good but he hasn't had a lot of PL game time and that will be the test. His performance on Tuesday was enough for him to get a pick against Palace so lets see if Frank will switch Dave to the left or even rest him.
Small steps. Jump on the championship first lets say stoke...no. i would probably go with the football is the most awful thing tbh
never too late mate, i could switch allegiance to united tomorrow and be as legit as a vast number of your fanbase
its never too late to jump aboard the big club glory train
Probably, yes.
I mean In terms of coming through the setup, watching him I saw him as a level above anyone else even Hudson Odoi.
He is a serious serious talent.
I have to agree, before the season started, Reece James was my pick of the academy graduates. He looks so complete.