Our attackers compared to rivals

[bosnian_red]

This is a terrible post. It's as over-the-top as lazy. Overreactions like this make the 'Caf hard to stomach at times.

He's not that wrong tbf. Disagree with rashford, though he definitely isn't ready to be more then a squad player and shouldn't be used as more currently.

Lukaku though isn't good enough, plain and simple, and all you need as evidence to that is that he doesn't even have the talent where you could potentially hope he'd be good enough to play for one of the other top teams. He wouldn't get in at psg, Bayern, Dortmund, Atletico, barca, real Madrid, Juventus, inter, Napoli, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, or Arsenal. Thats 14 clubs who have a better option as a striker both current and long term.

Mkhitaryan is shite, Mata good but also not top level, lingard a good squad player, and martial is the most talented and dynamic attacking player who could potentially be huge if he develops properly.

 

[Rob]

The way I see it, your playing style makes your attackers look worse than they are. It’s not exactly surprising since it’s Mourinho, but today and against us as well for that matter, I was still surprised at how low on the pitch you stood. Against us, even though we were in terrible form and you were not, you just sat back for the full 90 min. Today, again, you just had no intensity and gave Southhampton so much space and time on the ball. Obviously, that’s how your manager wants it, but it’s quite boring to look at and doesn’t make it easy for your attacking players to flourish. I’m sure a guy like Rashford would be much more dangerous playing in a Klopp -or Pep system.

 

[vamos_nadal]

To be honest, the excuses United fans are coming up with are bordering on RAWK levels. Remember when LFC fans complained about the spending gap under Benitez to Mourinho's Chelsea or Ferguson's United?

The spending arguments were laughed out of the window here. Now literally every single thing is about spending with United fans.

Liverpool's attack when Klopp took over: Markovic, Coutinho (half as productive as he is today), Firmino (less than half as productive as he is today), Balotelli. Now without spending much money at all, the manager got 2 35m signings bang on the money, helped 2 players improve drastically, and voila, you have the second best attack in the league.

That's what United need. Smart signings. Not outrageous bargains which are once in a blue moon, but there is clearly value in the market still. Your supporters and manager can complain all you want, but the fact is that United were not so far behind City when the new managers took over. Pep is just a superior manager, its okay to admit that. I love Klopp, but I can see that Pep is the better manager.

Seriously, United have outspent Liverpool and Tottenham like crazy (and please don't bring up the VVD or Keita fees, they haven't kicked a ball for Liverpool, and United's wage bill is astronomical compared to Liverpool's and Tottenham's). The problem is the money spent is spent poorly, and the manager doesn't have a clear plan on how he wants to play football in the final third of the pitch.

Complaining about a lack of funds (haven't seen Pochettino, Klopp or Conte do that, and Mourinho's outspent the lot!) is frankly petty, and just needlessly attracts the wrong kind of press and pressure.

Lukaku alone cost as much as Salah and Mane combined, and makes the same amount they both do combined in wages. Mourinho moaning about funds will make him only look even more silly when he doesn't finish second.

After all, that must be a lock given that the's spent the second most amount in transfers since he's taken over, right?

 

[Distracted Steward]

He's not that wrong tbf. Disagree with rashford, though he definitely isn't ready to be more then a squad player and shouldn't be used as more currently.

Lukaku though isn't good enough, plain and simple, and all you need as evidence to that is that he doesn't even have the talent where you could potentially hope he'd be good enough to play for one of the other top teams. He wouldn't get in at psg, Bayern, Dortmund, Atletico, barca, real Madrid, Juventus, inter, Napoli, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, or Arsenal. Thats 14 clubs who have a better option as a striker both current and long term.

Mkhitaryan is shite, Mata good but also not top level, lingard a good squad player, and martial is the most talented and dynamic attacking player who could potentially be huge if he develops properly.

And what about that damning write off of Rashford? Is he not a top talent to continue bringing through? Is he not showing enough to get as much playing time as he has?

To call it this early on Lukaku is rash. He's been with United for half of a season. Do you honestly think that given his record in the EPL, that's a fair assessment? It's easy to take shots an out of form striker in a struggling team. A team's attack dries up first in a bad run. You have to have it together to put up a good attack at this level. Obviously, United aren't doing that at the moment--and haven't been. I'd caution posters on pinning too much of that on Lukaku. It was clear even in that opening season blistering run that the patterns of play weren't there in the attack. Good players were pulling off ad hoc attacks together, but they fell out of sync. The lack of a developed attacking system is obvious. That early run flattered to deceive. It's too easy--and wrong--to lay that so squarely at Lukaku's feet as many on here do. There are far wider problems than individual players--or even groups of players. As for those 14 teams...there seems to be a fair bit of assumption there. A few of those seem a stretch, but you have present it as bang on fact. Writ large, I take your point though--he's not the world beater (it seems) we'd hope for at a club of this stature. I wouldn't say he won't be a league winner in very short order, though. That's my measure of it.

Mkhitaryan looks too mentally brittle. He's not good enough.

Mata has shown himself to be good enough on plenty of occasions. Force him out of his limitations and it's easy to write him off. He's the best #10 in the team and still good enough to be playing at least as often as he does.

Agree on Lingard.

 

[bosnian_red]

And what about that damning write off of Rashford? Is he not a top talent to continue bringing through? Is he not showing enough to get as much playing time as he has?

To call it this early on Lukaku is rash. He's been with United for half of a season. Do you honestly think that given his record in the EPL, that's a fair assessment? It's easy to take shots an out of form striker in a struggling team. A team's attack dries up first in a bad run. You have to have it together to put up a good attack at this level. Obviously, United aren't doing that at the moment--and haven't been. I'd caution posters on pinning too much of that on Lukaku. It was clear even in that opening season blistering run that the patterns of play weren't there in the attack. Good players were pulling off ad hoc attacks together, but they fell out of sync. The lack of a developed attacking system is obvious. That early run flattered to deceive. It's too easy--and wrong--to lay that so squarely at Lukaku's feet as many on here do. There are far wider problems than individual players--or even groups of players. As for those 14 teams...there seems to be a fair bit of assumption there. A few of those seem a stretch, but you have present it as bang on fact. Writ large, I take your point though--he's not the world beater (it seems) we'd hope for at a club of this stature. I wouldn't say he won't be a league winner in very short order, though. That's my measure of it.

Mkhitaryan looks too mentally brittle. He's not good enough.

Mata has shown himself to be good enough on plenty of occasions. Force him out of his limitations and it's easy to write him off. He's the best #10 in the team and still good enough to be playing at least as often as he does.

Agree on Lingard.

Yeah I said I disagree with rashford. He's a huge talent, needs time though. Mata i agree is good and should be playing more, but he isnt on the level of silva/ozil/eriksen/coutinho. But still under someone like Pep I have no doubt would be used as part of a midfield 3 and look much better and more consistent.

The lukaku thing isn't knee jerk though. The guys been in the league for ages. He's not an unknown quality and we weren't buying someone like martial or Mbappe who we hope could develop into a world class player. Lukaku is a known player, we know what he can do, what he's good at, and what he can't do. He's never going to be a really talented player that will be of huge use outside the box, someone who will help elevate our overall game to the next level. What he is and what we hope he can be is a deadly striker who can bully defenders as a target man and score regularly in the box. Thing is that I'm not sure those types of strikers are really that common among the very best teams anymore, who contribute little outside the box, and Lukaku himself doesn't exactly use his body well and has been far from deadly, regularly missing chances. He's also not somebody who can turn a nothing chance into a goal. Chelsea when they first bought him hoped he could become like Drogba, but he's just nowhere near as talented, nor does he know how to use his body or have that aggression anywhere near the level that Drogba had. Put it this way, if this was a standard United team under Fergie and Lukaku wasn't some big signing but just a random player, he'd be squad player quality at best. If you look at United strikers during Sir Alex's tenure, he's way more comparable to the likes of welbeck, Hernandez and forlan rather then the likes of RVN, RVP, Rooney, Cole and Yorke, tevez, cantona, etc. He's not someone who is good enough to be the main and pretty much only striker for the level we aspire to be, and won't ever be.

 

[Nucks]

Not posted in a while.

But looking at the comparisons and comments of our lads being inept, I thought I'd give my 10 cents.

Let's break it down:

City - Mourinho failed De Bruyne (and look what he's gone on and done).
Liverpool - He failed Salah
Chelsea - As soon as he left, people like Hazard and Pedro gained form again.

He's certainly improved out defenders. However, I refuse to accept that the following attackers are worse than our rivals:

- Martial
- Rashford
- Mkhitaryan
- Lingard
- Mata

Look at Mkhitaryan under Klopp.
Look at Mata before Mourinho joined Chelsea.

I think Mourinho has a tendency to destroy the confidence of certain of attacking players.

Chelsea quit on Mourinho. That wasn't about his coaching, it was about a clash of personalities where the team revolted against him. It was shameful and disgusting and if I was a Chelsea supporter I'd have been furious that these millionaire cry babies quit on their manager.

 

[Scholsey2004]

Yes our attack isn't as good as the top sides. Season after season we score less than the top sides. The managers done well with some areas but we need some better attacking midfielders/forwards to really challenge for the title. We're well short in that area.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Martial would be brilliant at City. No other team apart from City has an attacking CM like Pogba. He is levels ahead of what the others have. And then two of our attacking four have been signed by Jose - Lukaku and Mkhitarian. Mata Rashford Lingard and Ibra are good backups. Elite attack, no? Impressive on paper at the start of the season? Yes.

And obviously our defence and DM are one of the best in the league and goalie is the best possibly in the world.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Chelsea quit on Mourinho. That wasn't about his coaching, it was about a clash of personalities where the team revolted against him. It was shameful and disgusting and if I was a Chelsea supporter I'd have been furious that these millionaire cry babies quit on their manager.

Obviously once again it was all the players fault and not Jose's.

 

[Nucks]

Obviously once again it was all the players fault and not Jose's.

It's called professionalism and professional pride.

 

[OohAahMartial]

We'd have had a much better attack with Perisic and Griezmann. Jose should have had better and cheaper alternatives so if those deals couldn't be pulled off we weren't left so threadbare.

Worst thing though is how poorly coached the attackers are and how the tactics don't suit them. With fast pacy players we should be trying through balls and over the top balls, more like Leicester, rather than endless bad crosses to an absent target man (no Ibra).

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's called professionalism and professional pride.

From both sides of course.

 

[Kapardin]

Martial would be brilliant at City. No other team apart from City has an attacking CM like Pogba. He is levels ahead of what the others have. And then two of our attacking four have been signed by Jose - Lukaku and Mkhitarian. Mata Rashford Lingard and Ibra are good backups. Elite attack, no? Impressive on paper at the start of the season? Yes.

And obviously our defence and DM are one of the best in the league and goalie is the best possibly in the world.

The same attack that scored 49 and what, 51 goals in the last 2 seasons? OK then.

Ibra is finished. He is not a backup. Rashford had a bit of clinical edge, but now that's deserted him, he looks the average player he is. Mata is also quite ineffective.

Start of the season, many predicted our attack would struggle as we only replaced Ibra with Lukaku. The initial flurry of goals was purely down to clinical finishing. Pogba and Matic can do feck all when the likes of Martial, Rashford abd Lingard are braindead in the final third while Mata doesn't have the ability to match his intelligence.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

The same attack that scored 49 and what, 51 goals in the last 2 seasons? OK then.

Ibra is finished. He is not a backup. Rashford had a bit of clinical edge, but now that's deserted him, he looks the average player he is. Mata is also quite ineffective.

Start of the season, many predicted our attack would struggle as we only replaced Ibra with Lukaku. The initial flurry of goals was purely down to clinical finishing. Pogba and Matic can do feck all when the likes of Martial, Rashford abd Lingard are braindead in the final third while Mata doesn't have the ability to match his intelligence.

How many have we scored this season? Oh when we score goals it's clinical finishing. When we don't the players are shit and it's their true level. Sure thing. All based covered to defend Lord Jose.

 

[Ace of Spades]

We have a good enough squad, we just don't have any direction.

City are having a freak season, so it is stupid to consider them as the standard, but we can do better than the rest of the top six though. And a few weeks ago we actually were. No idea why now all of a sudden, all our players are crap and worse than all the top six sides.

Even if they are worse than them, surely we have players good enough to beat Southampton, Leicester and Burnley (who were missing some key players). And its not like only a few select players are not performing, even the players he bought do not look good enough. If our football does not improve, no matter who we buy we will always look mediocre.

 

[Kapardin]

How many have we scored this season? Oh when we score goals it's clinical finishing. When we don't the players are shit and it's their true level. Sure thing. All based covered to defend Lord Jose.

Even for mediocre players, the level of poor finishing last season was abnormal and hence we were bound to improve. The fact that the players have regressed back to last season's level shows them up for what they are - a bunch of inconsistent, average and boring attackers who may go on purple patches from time to time like all average players, but will inevitably drop off.

Thing is, even at their worst, no top attacking unit will ever score less than Bournemouth in a whole season. The lot of them should have been booted out for that atrocious stat alone.

Erm, Lord Jose did win two trophies. Anyway, I am not a blind Jose supporter and I know he is making mistakes. But the fact is, no manager will get more with this group of attackers and FBs. Forgive me if I don't think Rashford is the next Ronaldo.

 

[Ace of Spades]

How many have we scored this season? Oh when we score goals it's clinical finishing. When we don't the players are shit and it's their true level. Sure thing. All based covered to defend Lord Jose.

Pretty much, we can buy a few more players, but the core problems won't go away.

 

[Axkiko]

The other manager made their attacker stronger, our manager made our attacker weaker.

The quality is there, but our manager doesn’t know how to use them properly on attack. Micky was fantastic at Dortmund.

Also, our youngsters are top talent like Martial and Rashford. Just like Kane first broke to first team, Pochetino guided him well and he is transitioning become one of the best. Sterling is another example how other coaches developed their young players become an important player of them. Martial and Rashford didn’t get better under Mourinho. Their best season were still on LvG era. That’s the problem we got right now.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Even for mediocre players, the level of poor finishing last season was abnormal and hence we were bound to improve. The fact that the players have regressed back to last season's level shows them up for what they are - a bunch of inconsistent, average and boring attackers who may go on purple patches from time to time like all average players, but will inevitably drop off.

Thing is, even at their worst, no top attacking unit will ever score less than Bournemouth in a whole season. The lot of them should have been booted out for that atrocious stat alone.

Erm, Lord Jose did win two trophies. Anyway, I am not a blind Jose supporter and I know he is making mistakes. But the fact is, no manager will get more with this group of attackers and FBs. Forgive me if I don't think Rashford is the next Ronaldo.

Of which the two core experienced ones are actually Jose's funnily enough? I suppose we can't blame LVG for this one problem. So really you're half blaming Jose youeself.n And one of Jose's signings is one of the best offense minded midfielders in the game let's not count him and pretend he doesn't exist.

The Europa League cup! Incredible achievements and just what he was brought it for.

I forgive you. Especially considering no one is actually thinking. But more for calling talented footballers crap.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Even for mediocre players, the level of poor finishing last season was abnormal and hence we were bound to improve. The fact that the players have regressed back to last season's level shows them up for what they are - a bunch of inconsistent, average and boring attackers who may go on purple patches from time to time like all average players, but will inevitably drop off.

Thing is, even at their worst, no top attacking unit will ever score less than Bournemouth in a whole season. The lot of them should have been booted out for that atrocious stat alone.

Erm, Lord Jose did win two trophies. Anyway, I am not a blind Jose supporter and I know he is making mistakes. But the fact is, no manager will get more with this group of attackers and FBs. Forgive me if I don't think Rashford is the next Ronaldo.

Incorrect. Were you not watching football during the 15/16 season? By your logic the whole lot of Chelsea's team should have been booted out for a season of poor performance. After all, at their worse they were a poor excuse for a football team.I Instead they were kept and managed better and became champions again.

 

[Kapardin]

Of which the two core experienced ones are actually Jose's funnily enough? I suppose we can't blame LVG for this one problem. So really you're half blaming Jose youeself.n And one of Jose's signings is one of the best offense minded midfielders in the game let's not count him and pretend he doesn't exist.

And Pep didn't make mistakes with Nolito and Bravo? Klopp didn't make mistakes with Karius?

Inevitably, there will be duds. But you back the manager considering 3/4ths of his signings are okay.

The Europa League cup! Incredible achievements and just what he was brought it for.

I forgive you. Especially considering no one is actually thinking. But more for calling talented footballers crap.

Ah yes. You expect us to win the CL because we have Rashford, the next Ronaldo in our XI. I forgive you too.

 

[Kapardin]

Incorrect. Were you not watching football during the 15/16 season? By your logic the whole lot of Chelsea's team should have been booted out for a season of poor performance. After all, at their worse they were a poor excuse for a football team.I Instead they were kept and managed better and became champions again.

Chelsea already had Costa, Hazard, Azpi, Fabregas etc. They did badly because they purposely stopped playing for Jose, not because their attack was genuinely bad. Funny you can't see that, but then again, you think Rashford and Lingard are PL winning material.

 

[gajender]

Martial would be brilliant at City. No other team apart from City has an attacking CM like Pogba. He is levels ahead of what the others have. And then two of our attacking four have been signed by Jose - Lukaku and Mkhitarian. Mata Rashford Lingard and Ibra are good backups. Elite attack, no? Impressive on paper at the start of the season? Yes.

And obviously our defence and DM are one of the best in the league and goalie is the best possibly in the world.

How can our defence be best in the league when we don't even have single good fullback.

 

[Bojan11]

Incorrect. Were you not watching football during the 15/16 season? By your logic the whole lot of Chelsea's team should have been booted out for a season of poor performance. After all, at their worse they were a poor excuse for a football team.I Instead they were kept and managed better and became champions again.

Chelsea already had won the premier league.

This lot will never challenge for the title regardless of who the manager is and that’s the reality.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And Pep didn't make mistakes with Nolito and Bravo? Klopp didn't make mistakes with Karius?

Inevitably, there will be duds. But you back the manager considering 3/4ths of his signings are okay.

Yes they made mistakes. But they are held accountable for their signings and the results they produce. We don't place them behind curtains and hide them from taking responsibility for their players. So Jose is responsible for our attacking, the duds and the hits and the end result I'm afraid. It's kinda how it works.

Ah yes. You expect us to win the CL because we have Rashford, the next Ronaldo in our XI. I forgive you too.

I do? Any basis for that? I suppose you're going to apologise now for making up stuff.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Chelsea already had won the premier league.

This lot will never challenge for the title regardless of who the manager is and that’s the reality.

Irrelevant. Read the logic used which clearly fails.

 

[Bojan11]

Irrelevant. Read the logic used which clearly fails.

That bunch of players won the premier league under Mourinho. They gave up and it isn’t the first case with Chelsea players that they downed tools on manager.

This group of players majority of them cannot even play well for 3 games in a row so it’s tough asking them to play like Hazard and Costa. Both superior to anything we got. I’d say Fabregas too as atleast he can deliver a set piece or corner unlike our so called number 10s. But we’d blame Mourinho because our players cannot do simple things like take a half decent corner.

 

[Kapardin]

Yes they made mistakes. But they are held accountable for their signings and the results they produce. We don't place them behind curtains and hide them from taking responsibility for their players. So Jose is responsible for our attacking, the duds and the hits and the end result I'm afraid. It's kinda how it works.

And when Guardiola was held accountable for Nolito and Bravo, what did the City brass do? Tell him to jog on or condone his error and help him upgrade on it?

Judge Jose similarly. If he replaced most of our attack and still underperformed, I'd be the first to want him out.

I do? Any basis for that? I suppose you're going to apologise now for making up stuff.

Considering you look down on the EL, there is no apology to be made. Or if you are one of those who think a top 4 finish > EL, that's worse.

Irrelevant. Read the logic used which clearly fails.

Irrelevant to your agenda perhaps.

The fault of Chelsea's bad season was the manager and not the quality of the players. So rightfully, their manager was booted out.

The fault of our bad season was on the players more than the manager. The players thus deserved the boot and it didn't happen because Jose was not ruthless enough.

 

[Treble]

That bunch of players won the premier league under Mourinho. They gave up and it isn’t the first case with Chelsea players that they downed tools on manager.

This group of players majority of them cannot even play well for 3 games in a row so it’s tough asking them to play like Hazard and Costa. Both superior to anything we got. I’d say Fabregas too as atleast he can deliver a set piece or corner unlike our so called number 10s. But we’d blame Mourinho because our players cannot do simple things like take a half decent corner.

Could you imagine United players to down tools under Fergie? Impossible, right? It's not so much about the players as about the manager. Players are the same everywhere.

 

[fellaini's barber]

I marvel at people who magically imagine a different style of play would produce consistent top class performance from a none top class attack. We will challenge for nothing with mere potential upfront. We have to invest in proven class in attack

This, while I believe that Jose should be doing be doing better with our current attackers I'm under no delusion the likes of Rashford, Lingard or Mkhi will suddenly look like world beaters under any manager or 'system' as many on here seem to have convinced themselves. The truth as always is somewhere in between

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And when Guardiola was held accountable for Nolito and Bravo, what did the City brass do? Tell him to jog on or condone his error and help him upgrade on it?

Judge Jose similarly. If he replaced most of our attack and still underperformed, I'd be the first to want him out.

He was helped to upgrade what he had. He finished 6th and was given a second summer to sort stuff out. And he stuck with Mhitarian last summer and didn't have the foresight to see things getting even worse. He has time and patience from everyone, but blindly making excuses for him is useless.

Considering you look down on the EL, there is no apology to be made. Or if you are one of those who think a top 4 finish > EL, that's worse.

Irrelevant to your agenda perhaps

Nope just plain irrelevant.

Again you're just letting your fingers run wild and making stuff up as you go. No one looks down on the EL but like the league cup, it isn't a major trophy to win. It's probably level or around the level of the FA cup in terms of achievement. But at a mega club who spend huge money, that within the context of a 6th place finish and poor attacking football, is clearly not this incredible achievement and just about met the minimum expectation for a season.

The top 4/EL stuff is just rambling. I'm not interested. I suppose you'll make up something else in your next post.

The fault of Chelsea's bad season was the manager and not the quality of the players. So rightfully, their manager was booted out.

The fault of our bad season was on the players more than the manager. The players thus deserved the boot and it didn't happen because Jose was not ruthless enough.

Disagree. The manager is always responsible for his teams results. The point is that your "worst" level logic obviously didn't work.

 

[Kapardin]

He was helped to upgrade what he had. He finished 6th and was given a second summer to sort stuff out. And he stuck with Mhitarian last summer and didn't have the foresight to see things getting even worse. He has time and patience from everyone, but blindly making excuses for him is useless.

Like the way you dodged the comparison to Guardiola upgrading on Nolito and Bravo and completely went off tangent.

The simple point is, does he or does he not get the chance to upgrade on Mkhi like Guardiola did on Nolito or Bravo? If yes, we have no argument. If no, then it is you who are impatient or unrealistic or whatever.

When our club couldn't get him a 4th signing he wanted, or more new signings for FB positions, how the feck was he supposed to upgrade on Mkhi in the summer? Fact is, he does want to upgrade now, so will you let him like you idolize Guardiola or will you continue to slate him?

Nope just plain irrelevant.

Not just me, but another poster also called you out on that comparison. No use trying to deny it.

Again you're just letting your fingers run wild and making stuff up as you go. No one looks down on the EL but like the league cup, it isn't a major trophy to win. It's probably level or around the level of the FA cup in terms of achievement. But at a mega club who spend huge money, that within the context of a 6th place finish and poor attacking football, is clearly not this incredible achievement and just about met the minimum expectation for a season.

For a mega club who had wasted money on shite signings and was only just finding its' feet, the EL trophy was a big, big win. It has nothing to do with spending badly under LvG in the past. The fact of the matter is, he won 2 trophies and that was an achievement.

The top 4/EL stuff is just rambling. I'm not interested. I suppose you'll make up something else in your next post.

I am not making anything up. Just finding your duck/dodge/dive approach to an argument mildly interesting.

Disagree. The manager is always responsible for his teams results. The point is that your "worst" level logic obviously didn't work.

Again, your point has been dismissed by other posters. I suppose hypothetically by your logic, if Jose is asked to win the league with the U-18s and he fails, then also the fault lies with the manager and not the players. And the failure of the U18s is the same as Chelsea failing one season despite having proven and vastly superior players.

Before you jump in and say that our players are better than U-18s and the comparison is ridiculous, let me tell you that expecting champagne football with Mata, Rashford, Lingard and Mkhi in attack and comparing their failure to the downed tools of Hazard, Costa, Fabregas, etc in one season is as ridiculous as expecting the U18s to win the league.

By that logic, a manager should win the league with anyone who is given to him.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Rashford wouldn't get into the attacking line of any of our 'Top 4' rivals.