Is there a stat for positioning, one on one defending, mistakes made, contribution to stability of defence?
Dunno why people think throwing some random stats around gives anything close to the full picture, especially not for a defender.
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Dunno why people think throwing some random stats around gives anything close to the full picture, especially not for a defender.
Thats your argument?
OK, tell me why Fabinho - or Darmian for that matter - is better than Valencia?
Marcelo too.
Ivanovic was a good threat going forward until last season. Then he was a liability both ways.
Don't need to say anything about Ashley Cole.
Mourinho has usually had one attacking full back and one more defensive minded fullback.
I'm not making that argument. All i'm saying is that people throw those dumb squawka matrixes around and think it's the be all and end all. There was a season where Iniesta had no goals and no assists. People need to not use stats in isolation to make their point.
My 2 cents on this situation is that I don't know how good Fabinho is, but my feeling is that he'll be another Darmian. If we sign a RB it should be one who's definitely going to be long term solution for us like Shaw at LB. And whoever we sign definitely needs to be good going forward.
Stats are a way to back up your point. If I just said, 'Valencia is better than Darmian and Fabinho' that would have absolutely no substance.
We have the best right back in the league
Are you watching Valencia live at the games or just behind your computer with the stats??Thats your argument?
The complaints of Valencia getting caught out of position are so short sighted. People just don't forensically analyse fullbacks at other clubs in the same way. He's probably been to blame for about 3-4 goals over the last couple of seasons due to poor positioning, tracking the wrong player or falling asleep for the offside trap but that's about average for any fullback.
Our right hand side is so much more solid and effective when he is supporting the right winger. He matches any winger for pace and beats the for strength while virtually never losing the ball.
He's a beast and I hope he gets 40+ starts there next season.
Our right hand side is so much more solid and effective when he is supporting the right winger. He matches any winger for pace and beats the for strength while virtually never losing the ball.
He's a beast and I hope he gets 40+ starts there next season.
Your point is? Of course I watch Manchester United football games because I am a Manchester United fan...Why is Fabinho or Darmian better than Valencia?
This 100X
We have the best right back in the league
Um the massive difference in minutes played between Valencia and the rest shows why it is not a fair comparison at all.
No it doesn't since its an average per 90 minutes
The other four have a much larger sample size to work with.
Darmian for this season, then see how he does. He had a good prior record at club and international level. Last season was a combination of various disruptive injuries, having to play both sides, being vangled, and the subsequent loss of confidence.
I mean live in the stadiums.
Why is Fabinho or Darmian better than Valencia?
My point is that Valencia is here since 2008 and had one very good season or maybe two.....he was average or awful in all other seasons......players like him (with Young, Fellaini) are season why we are far away from the Barca's, Bayern Munich's or Real Madrid's.
Darmian's last season wasn't good but it was his first season and shouldn't cry if Mourinho signs a new right-back.....but Darmian deserves more of a new chance than someone like Valencia.
There's a strange phenomenon with Valencia where people become experts on defensive positioning but such knowledge is nowhere to be seen when analysing other 'proper defenders'.
A neutral view of forum favourite Darmian against Spurs. One of the worst 30 minutes of defending i've ever seen from a right back:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/f...rmian-at-fault-for-all-three-tottenham-goals/
I agree. But because Valencia's sample size is smaller, a bad performance can cause as much harm as a good performance can cause good. This is the fairest way to compare them. I can go and get the 2014/15 comparison, I'm fairly sure Valencia will be favourable there too.
Thats where me and you disagree. He's probably had 2 average seasons here (last SAF one and the Moyes one). The rest have been good
Followed pretty closely by his performance against Arsenal early in the season.
That and the Arsenal game. Both terrible and we were 3-0 down in both within 20 minutes of him being on the pitch
I like him, don't get me wrong on that.
But I've never seen a more hyped up review of him like that!
For one thing, let's remember why he's played at full back these days. Because he completely lost what made him a quality right winger. I used to thinkwith him,that what set him apart from Nani,was that he always seemed to pick the right option.
However, that changed into a guy who would literally just stop dead when he had the ball,not try and beat anyone anymore, and would just fire the ball into the defender at 100s of mph.
Mourinho has already said he prefers specialists. And Valencia is not at rb
Stop writing Darmian off after 1 year. He wasn't even that bad
People who think Valencia is good enough needs to get their lobotomy reversed.
Darmian still has the benefit of doubt with adjusting to the league, and being an actual right-back who will now play under a manager who knows how to coach a defense without just hogging the ball and pass it sideways.
Darmian still has the benefit of doubt with adjusting to the league, and being an actual right-back who will now play under a manager who knows how to coach a defense without just hogging the ball and pass it sideways.
So you are saying he is not a right back and as evidence, you are saying that he was shit at being a winger?
Yep. Let's not forget Darmian was fantastic in that first phase of the season where our Darmian-Smalling-Blind-Shaw back line was turning in perfect performances. The best Valencia has ever managed in the position is 'surprisingly good enough'.
By phase you mean 3-4 weeks.
Valencia is one of the best fullbacks in the league and Darmian has potential to be likewise, CB is a bigger priority. We should compete for the league even without any additions after Pogba tho I reckon.
Not true remember Ivanovic? The season they won the Pl with mourinho he was a real threat going forward.
Even though he is quite average in my opinion, I expect Darmian to be first choice right-back this season. I like Valencia but he is too often caught out of position and is not really a defender, having played most of his career as an attacking midfielder/winger.
Personally I would have liked to see Seamus Coleman at United or even Jones given some playing time at right-back in the way Ferguson used Brown, O'Shea and Smalling in the position.
Personally I would have liked to see Seamus Coleman at United or even Jones given some playing time at right-back in the way Ferguson used Brown, O'Shea and Smalling in the position.
I'd love to know exactly what is being considered here (the facts/factors behind these headline scores) that ends up with a result saying Valencia is a better FB than those players??Perhaps the best fullback in the world
Edit - it actually says Lahm has best score? Phew!!
No idea but it has to be one dodgy system to have Valencia above the likes of Alves and MarceloI'd love to know exactly what is being considered here (the facts/factors behind these headline scores) that ends up with a result saying Valencia is a better FB than those players??
Edit - it actually says Lahm has best score? Phew!!
Well talk with your eyes because Valencia at right back has been the same as Valencia at right winger... Averages 7/10. I don't get why people just want give him his just deserves. He's the best right back at the club and one of the best right backs in the league. Are we still caught up because he can't cross or has no left foot?
I still found it funny when people said his place in he side was finished due to Varela's 4 good games.
Agreed. There's a shocking over reliance on statistics sometimes.I'd love to know exactly what is being considered here (the facts/factors behind these headline scores) that ends up with a result saying Valencia is a better FB than those players??
Edit - it actually says Lahm has best score? Phew!!
Where's the stat for "stood 5 metres out of position"? Of course a high possession (or in fact high quality) team will see its players have less blocks/tackles/interceptions/aerial duels won etc and more passes/a higher attacking score. In my opinion, defensive stats can almost entirely be disregarded (unless they show an outlier... A 1% pass completion, or being dribbled past 99% of the time, for example).
A player can only function within the system that they play in.
Sigma has a thing for mindless physical runners. Willian was his first paramour.
The only reason Valencia is getting flack is because he is a failed winger and people still feel as though he is playing out of position. He's done a better job than Evra did in his final couple seasons for us, attacking wise and defending wise.
Learn to live with the fact he's not a winger anymore, and won't be for our club unless injuries happen.
Learn to live with the fact he's not a winger anymore, and won't be for our club unless injuries happen.
Whether or not Valencia is good enough is irrelevant. I think he has been excellent at RB, but he isn't getting any younger.
For the future, there needs to be a younger RB challenging Valencia. Darmian doesn't look like that guy. TFM doesn't look like a RB long term.
For the future, there needs to be a younger RB challenging Valencia. Darmian doesn't look like that guy. TFM doesn't look like a RB long term.
Anyone who thinks Darmian is better than Valencia needs to give their head a massive fecking wobble. Valencia is not all that great either but Darmian is fecking awful. Be it going forward, defensively or physically Valencia shits all over Darmian who's crowning moments are a couple of decent games at the start of the season.
fecking LVG getting rid of Rafael pisses me off even more now.
Valencia gets £70k/week and Darmian £65k/week. Well done, noticing how £5k/week is going astray.