Our Rivals Squad next year - Arsenal

KM said:
Just because he turned RVP into a striker doesn't mean he'll turn Sanchez into one. RVP was 21 when he moved to Arsenal and was far off from his peak. Sanchez is at 25 and not many players change their role at this age. Besides from what I've seen of Sanchez, I don't think his finishing(which is probably needed for a striker) is upto the mark.

Arsenal need a proven striker and defensive midfielder to challenge City and Chelsea for the title. Giroud, Sanogo and Sanchez aren't good enough striking options for a title winning squad.
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Do you lot actually check facts and stats before claiming such stuff?

He has scored 19 goals in La Liga (last season) and that a) playing on the flank and b) in a team in which Messi consumes most of the goals for the team.

There is absolutely no solid evidence to suggest Sanchez cannot play CF nor that he hasn't got what it takes to produce goals.

Just because not many players change roles at a certain age, doesn't make it impossible. Who made that rule up anyway??

Unless you all are on a silly WUM mission, I cannot else conclude based on these ludicrous claims made by you and that other fella that you guys don't know what you're talking about.
 
Essaux said:
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Glass legs handles contact fantastically, as his injury career has shown to us.

A sturdy, boxy, square Sanchez is obviously not suited to the English hard men, let alone playing him as a CF on a cold Monday winter night at Stoke.

By your definition of a striker, Suarez should also have failed miserably as he is size-wise very similar to Sanchez. However, he absolutely ripped this league to bits with his 31 goals, 12 assists and teeth.

For the love of the Universe stop babbling. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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You clearly don't watch enough football to see certain things so we'll have to leave this conversation until sanchez comes in and fails as a striker. If you can't see that Suarez is significantly stronger on the ball than sanchez then there's nothing I can really say to you.

Strikers aren't the same and don't you for a second think I think they all are, but all great strikers are at the very least strong on the ball. Despite their height that's what the likes of Tevez, Aguero, and suarez have that sanchez just doesn't have. No amount of skill/speed can make up for that. Football is a contact sport and because of that strength will play a role, in some positions its more important than others.

I hope for the love of all that's holy wenger at least sees the game for what it is in comparison to some posters who think they know, but have no clue at all.
 
RooneyLegend said:
You clearly don't watch enough football to see certain things so we'll have to leave this conversation until sanchez comes in and fails as a striker. If you can't see that Suarez is significantly stronger on the ball than sanchez then there's nothing I can really say to you.

Strikers aren't the same and don't you for a second think I think they all are, but all great strikers are at the very least strong on the ball. Despite their height that's what the likes of Tevez, Aguero, and suarez have that sanchez just doesn't have. No amount of skill/speed can make up for that. Football is a contact sport and because of that strength will play a role, in some positions its more important than others.

I hope for the love of all that's holy wenger at least sees the game for what it is in comparison to some posters who think they know, but have no clue at all.
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As I said before mate, it's a good think you aren't United's nor Arsenal's football manager.
LvG and Wenger can produce magic unlike people with a static point of view.
 
Essaux said:
Do you lot actually check facts and stats before claiming such stuff?

He has scored 19 goals in La Liga (last season) and that a) playing on the flank and b) in a team in which Messi consumes most of the goals for the team.

There is absolutely no solid evidence to suggest Sanchez cannot play CF nor that he hasn't got what it takes to produce goals.

Just because not many players change roles at a certain age, doesn't make it impossible. Who made that rule up anyway??

Unless you all are on a silly WUM mission, I cannot else conclude based on these ludicrous claims made by you and that other fella that you guys don't know what you're talking about.
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He's ridiculously one footed. That's ok if you're on the wing, but playing centrally you need to be good with both.
 
Essaux said:
Do you lot actually check facts and stats before claiming such stuff?

He has scored 19 goals in La Liga (last season) and that a) playing on the flank and b) in a team in which Messi consumes most of the goals for the team.

There is absolutely no solid evidence to suggest Sanchez cannot play CF nor that he hasn't got what it takes to produce goals.

Just because not many players change roles at a certain age, doesn't make it impossible. Who made that rule up anyway??

Unless you all are on a silly WUM mission, I cannot else conclude based on these ludicrous claims made by you and that other fella that you guys don't know what you're talking about.
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Calm down, princess. I'm not deriding your brand new signing.

He can play as a striker(theoretically every footballer can), but I think his best is at the flanks rather than upfront.
 
KM said:
Calm down, princess. I'm not deriding your brand new signing.

He can play as a striker(theoretically every footballer can), but I think his best is at the flanks rather than upfront.
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I'm calm, I'm just laughing at all of the claims being made. I'm not even an Arsenal fan. :)
BarneyLFC said:
Yes, he is.
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In that case you have never seen Robben shoot with his right foot. :lol:
 
Essaux said:
Oh Barney come on.

Is Sanchez that more one footed than let's say: Robben, Messi, Maradona? They are all definitely quite one footed and if they hit it with their weaker foot it would be tap-ins only.
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There's a reason why Maradona and Robben didn't play the majority of their careers in the strikers position. I'll let you figure it out.
 
Essaux said:
I'm calm, I'm just laughing at all of the claims being made. I'm not even an Arsenal fan. :)
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Ah well you acted too sensitively to any negative claims about an Arsenal player, hence why the assumption!

Anyway, saying that Sanchez is best at flanks rather than upfront is hardly a laughable claim particularly given the fact that Sanchez have played most of his games at flanks. Let's see how he performs in the center forward(is it confirmed that he'll play in that position), but personally I'm not convinced.
 
KM said:
There's a reason why Maradona and Robben didn't play the majority of their careers in the strikers position. I'll let you figure it out.
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Oh the reason is because back in the day they played more traditionally? Who'd have thought?

And Robben played a free role under LvG's Dutch side, sometimes popping up as a CF, sometimes not.

Robin van Persie was invisible. Great to have such a CF :S

My claim is: players can adapt and excel in new roles under the guidance of great coaches / managers. Both LvG and Wenger have the traits to convert players into great players in new positions.
 
Ekeke said:
Incorrect. He was up front in his final season at Udinese before Barcelona bought him, having previously been used on the wing. He was also used next to Vargas up front for Chile with Vidal behind them both all tournament, again having previously been used on the wing.
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Nope, he played behind Di Natale in that season.
 
KM said:
Ah well you acted too sensitively to any negative claims about an Arsenal player, hence why the assumption!

Anyway, saying that Sanchez is best at flanks rather than upfront is hardly a laughable claim particularly given the fact that Sanchez have played most of his games at flanks. Let's see how he performs, but personally I'm not convinced.
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I never claimed anywhere that he isn't better on the flank than centrally.
But, some claim outright that he would fail miserably as a CF and I don't see any factual evidence to claim such a thing.
 
Essaux said:
Oh the reason is because back in the day they played more traditionally? Who'd have thought?

And Robben played a free role under LvG's Dutch side, sometimes popping up as a CF, sometimes not.

Robin van Persie was invisible. Great to have such a CF :S

My claim is: players can adapt and excel in new roles under the guidance of great coaches / managers. Both LvG and Wenger have the traits to convert players into great players in new positions.
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and my claim is that you can't say players will excel in new roles just on an assumption. Obviously great managers tend to convert players but the players also need to adapt to the new position. We'll see if that's the case with Sanchez!
 
Essaux said:
I'm calm, I'm just laughing at all of the claims being made. I'm not even an Arsenal fan. :)

In that case you have never seen Robben shoot with his right foot. :lol:
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Who do you support? You have your favourite player listed as Bergkamp.

KM said:
Ah well you acted too sensitively to any negative claims about an Arsenal player, hence why the assumption!

Anyway, saying that Sanchez is best at flanks rather than upfront is hardly a laughable claim particularly given the fact that Sanchez have played most of his games at flanks. Let's see how he performs in the center forward(is it confirmed that he'll play in that position), but personally I'm not convinced.
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I think Sanchez will do well wherever he is played, but I agree, I think he's better out wide.
 
Essaux said:
I never claimed anywhere that he isn't better on the flank than centrally.
But, some claim outright that he would fail miserably as a CF and I don't see any factual evidence to claim such a thing.
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I don't know who's claiming that!

Obviously such is his talent that he'll not miserably fail at any attacking position.
 
KM said:
and my claim is that you can't say players will excel in new roles just on an assumption. Obviously great managers tend to convert players but the players also need to adapt to the new position. We'll see if that's the case with Sanchez!
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That's fair enough. Let's wait and see how he fares once the season commences.
 
The following quotes are for RooneyLegend:

Despite playing primarily as a winger for Barcelona, Alexis is set to be deployed as a striker at the Emirates and Wenger is confident he will shine in the role, given that he has charted his development since his breakthrough at Udinese in 2006.

"He first came on my radar when he played at Udinese and then afterwards, when he went to Barcelona,” he added.

"He is a striker. He’s a good finisher, who made a great impression in Italy. I saw him there and he was really outstanding."
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But, no RooneyLegend knows better than actual football managers, how dare I refute his stuff with actual facts and observation. Doesn't one know players at a certain age don't change roles anymore. And don't I understand Glass Legs has much better attributes to be a striker than the inferior nobody that is Alexis Sanchez.

Silly Wenger. Silly any other manager playing players somewhere else than what FIFA tells us their playing position is.

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To be fair Messi wasn't particular strong up front yet he still managed to score more than any striker or CF in same position.
 
RedRonaldo said:
To be fair Messi wasn't particular strong up front yet he still managed to score more than any striker or CF in same position.
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What are you on about? Messi is about as strong on the ball as they come, he's incredibly difficult to knock of it. How many times do you see him ride challenges?
 
Essaux said:
The following quotes are for RooneyLegend:



But, no RooneyLegend knows better than actual football managers, how dare I refute his stuff with actual facts and observation. Doesn't one know players at a certain age don't change roles anymore. And don't I understand Glass Legs has much better attributes to be a striker than the inferior nobody that is Alexis Sanchez.

Silly Wenger. Silly any other manager playing players somewhere else than what FIFA tells us their playing position is.

wenger_troll.jpg
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What actual fact or observation have you provided?

Oh so you're part of the 'managers are always right' faction? Probably think people are stupid for doubting the greatest manager ever's signing of Ashley Young, or Moyes' signing of Fellaini. You see managers are people too, they make mistakes and sometimes have opinions that are wrong. If they were never wrong none of them would ever get fired, we all know how that works out.

Is glass legs supposed to be RVP? One of the best strikers this league has seen and you doubt whether he's got better striker qualities than Sanchez?

Also where did I say players over a certain age can't change roles? We see it all the time in football but the successful ones are where a players has qualities to play another position.
 
KM said:
Anyway, saying that Sanchez is best at flanks rather than upfront is hardly a laughable claim particularly given the fact that Sanchez have played most of his games at flanks. Let's see how he performs in the center forward(is it confirmed that he'll play in that position), but personally I'm not convinced.
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The only times I've seen him on the wing are at Barca, it's not his natural position. He's pretty much the perfect second striker in a 4-4-2 but the top clubs don't play that anymore. No idea if he'll be able to play on his own up top for us but he'll get plenty of chances, Wenger even tried to turn Gervinho into a striker!
 
Great football against Benfica from Sanogo, Ox and Campbell. Bellerin very good, as well.
Sanchez was a striker at Udinese and has almost always been one for Chile. I don't know what you're even arguing about.
 
Got to say that I believe Sanchez is an excellent purchase. He would improve any team in the PL. Would have loved him at United.

Arsenal's recent transfer dealings are pretty good. They have stepped up and are on another level to 2-3 years ago. The only issue I see with them is have they had sufficient turnover to lose the constant bottling. This may actually come from Wenger, so now he has a good team and squad in front of him, maybe he will trust them.
 
A fruitful performance from Sa-nogoals today. 3 easy ones, but took his hatrick goal well and at least he was in the right place
 
Think the dispute should be over whether Sanchez will do a Suarez/Aguero, or have the impact of a good but not world class footballer. Either way, he's a quality player.
 
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