PARK-A true unsung hero

Brwned said:
I remember him linking up well with Fabio a couple of times, giving the ball away carelessly a couple of times and then missing a very good chance...then the goal came. He made more than a couple of driving runs through the middle and he got much more involved, and the goal deserves a lot of credit for a very accomplished finish and a penetrative run through the middle. He was quiet beforehand as he had been all season, but after the gal he came to life I thought. Not MOTM and not a great game by any means, but not poor and a definite improvement. And no worse than Evra at the weekend, to be honest.

Maybe he's just not your type of 'winger', Afo? Ever thought that there might be more than one way to play the position? If people keep comparing against a direct, pacy dribbler with an eye for goal then he's never going to impress, but obviously he keeps getting games because what he does outside that is valued by Sir Alex. And I don't mean putting a foot in.
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Its nothing to do with being 'my type of winger' brwned, he wasn't any type of winger for an hour tonight, he was hopeless, basic football principles ala passing the ball to a teammate, making off ball movements to receive a pass and then doing something constructive with it, there was none of this for large periods, and when you play with the kids as in tonight's case and your an experienced professional is it to much to expect he lead the way in at least the basics of the game? everytime he received the ball he either passed it to a wolves player or got bullied off it.

Hes never been my favourite player i wont pretend ive always said so and ill never say otherwise, hes not in my opinion good enough going forward to be a winger at this club, he does a job in certain matches but that's about it.
 
Allforone said:
Its nothing to do with being 'my type of winger' brwned, he wasn't any type of winger for an hour tonight, he was hopeless, basic football principles ala passing the ball to a teammate, making off ball movements to receive a pass and then doing something constructive with it, there was none of this for large periods, and when you play with the kids as in tonight's case and your an experienced professional is it to much to expect he lead the way in at least the basics of the game? everytime he received the ball he either passed it to a wolves player or got bullied off it.

Hes never been my favourite player i wont pretend ive always said so and ill never say otherwise, hes not in my opinion good enough going forward to be a winger at this club, he does a job in certain matches but that's about it.
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He was awarded man of the Match
 
He was very good Allforone.

Best player tonight, perhaps excluding Smalling.

I also disagree with the basic footballing principles bit. He didn't do anything wrong tonight, you're seeing things. Weren't you the same boy who said that Welbeck had poor technique?
 
Are we gonna have a Danny Welbeck revisited here Addis?

Park was horrific for large portions of tonight's game, if you think im alone in thinking this then check out the in match thread tonight, im far from alone, i even watched the highlights on sky to be sure, it was painful to watch for the first hour.
 
Actually, I'm with Allforone on this one.

Park wasn't great. I think its a big thing to say that he was dreadful - he wasn't dreadful. And I've seen some pretty dreadful performances of late where he looked, frankly, off the pace, off form, unable to pass a simple 6-yard ball straight.

Today he was better than he has been. He got involved missed a sitter, and scored a goal! He can do a lot worse than that!
 
Park with the touch of something with very bad touch.
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and what on earth has happened to Park?
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what a miss from park
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That was wank from Park.
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Park with a shot to indicate the type of season he has.
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fecking hell park!!!
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Poor from Park there
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Morrisson for Park, pleaaaaaaaaaaase.
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Park off please.
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Fergie...any chance of subbing Macheda and Park please?
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If we didn't have Park...
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only thing Park has done , but nice goal
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First decent thing he does tonight and he scores!!! Well done park!!
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People will think he had a good game now... just because he scored
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~His still been shit!!
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Ok thats just a few i can be bothered to quote, from the matchday thread, its quite clear Park did plenty wrong tonight.
 
looked much better when he moved into the centre and got a goal. he definitely turned his performance around as the match wore on.
 
peterstorey said:
Hardly an argument from 'authority' possibly an argument from 'observation'.
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Not really. The observation that is referred to is of the matchday thread. AFO may be right or wrong, but to appeal to that thread (those kinds of threads) is laughable.

I know you don't like Park, but don't let that cloud your judgment of a silly argument.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
looked much better when he moved into the centre and got a goal. he definitely turned his performance around as the match wore on.
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See thats fair enough, he improved towards the end, which doesn't really say much in fairness but its a fair comment and one that reflects what type of match he had, he stunk the place out for a good hour like many did in truth and improved as the game drew to a close, much like the match as a whole.

What i cant for the life of me fathom is where that MOM award came from and where comments such as "he did nothing wrong" "he was brilliant" come from, he couldnt trap the thing for an hour tonight!
 
Allforone said:
See thats fair enough, he improved towards the end, which doesn't really say much in fairness but its a fair comment and one that reflects what type of match he had, he stunk the place out for a good hour like many did in truth and improved as the game drew to a close, much like the match as a whole.

What i cant for the life of me fathom is where that MOM award came from and where comments such as "he did nothing wrong" "he was brilliant" come from, he couldnt trap the thing for an hour tonight!
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The midfield was cack tonight, perhaps because of the way they lined up, I haven't thought about it too much.

Anyway, I wouldn't single Park out, especially when you consider the improvement aspect. I appreciate a player like that. Glad he got the start.
 
Laphroaig said:
Not really. The observation that is referred to is of the matchday thread. AFO may be right or wrong, but to appeal to that thread (those kinds of threads) is laughable.

I know you don't like Park, but don't let that cloud your judgment of a silly argument.
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Well exactly. You might appeal to authority and say ' peterstorey thinks he's crap' ergo he's crap [excellent logic by the way]. But citing the matchday thread isn't an appeal to authority.
 
peterstorey said:
I didn't watch the game but Park is usually crap and should be playing for Wolves not a top 4 team.
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Haha - burns you that we a Park doesn't it? The one topic we are guaranteed to get comic relief from you to provide.
 
I wasn't gonna critise a United player after we won and he scored a goal but then some idiot gave him MotM. What an insult to most of the other players on the pitch. I support all our players but enough is enough with Park.

After a promising first season, I've never seen the point of Park except for merchandising. Harsh but he provides nothing constructive. Can't tackle, poor at closing down, no attacking flair, no acceleration, extremely weak, prefers back passes and has little imagination. I'm not gonna call his supporters fanbois but it amazes me when people defend him. I watch him very closely every match and one of these days if I can really be bothered I will compile an opta type match stats and I think a few people will be very surprised at how poor to average he is in almost every game. Each season seems to be slightly worse than his last and the above points are not knee-jerk but based on at least two full seasons. One good performance a season does not make him a United player.
 
Allforone said:
Ok thats just a few i can be bothered to quote, from the matchday thread, its quite clear Park did plenty wrong tonight.
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That only weakens your argument not strengthens it - the whole point of those matchday comments are that they don't require much thought, they're knee-jerk in their very nature, and it's mainly spastics who go in there...
 
What I can say to the recent posts here is to look at the other midfielders we currently have and fit. They have been quite average as well. Thus why Scholes is getting more starts than he is supposed to barring his age.

I agree about the MOTM v wolves rant. It is ridiculous. I would rather give that to Hernandez for winning it.
 
42 euros said:
I wasn't gonna critise a United player after we won and he scored a goal but then some idiot gave him MotM. What an insult to most of the other players on the pitch. I support all our players but enough is enough with Park.

After a promising first season, I've never seen the point of Park except for merchandising. Harsh but he provides nothing constructive. Can't tackle, poor at closing down, no attacking flair, no acceleration, extremely weak, prefers back passes and has little imagination. I'm not gonna call his supporters fanbois but it amazes me when people defend him. I watch him very closely every match and one of these days if I can really be bothered I will compile an opta type match stats and I think a few people will be very surprised at how poor to average he is in almost every game. Each season seems to be slightly worse than his last and the above points are not knee-jerk but based on at least two full seasons. One good performance a season does not make him a United player.
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Yet in that time he's got goals in big games against Chelsea, Arsenal (more than once), Liverpool and Milan.

He's been generally gash this season that said.
 
Oh but that's not an opinion sure Afo, remember?

Allforone said:
He was poor tonight, that's just a fact
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Why do we even bother arguing when you know, your opinion's fact. We obviously can't compete.
 
Brwned said:
Oh but that's not an opinion sure Afo, remember?



Why do we even bother arguing when you know, your opinion's fact. We obviously can't compete.
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Come on brwned, your a fine one to talk on that score, case in point in this thread and any other for that matter, if someone disagrees with you they're wrong, Park wasn't at all good last night, others share that view quite clearly, if you want to go around calling everyone that doesn't agree with you spastics go ahead, its what you usually do.
 
Allforone said:
Ok thats just a few i can be bothered to quote, from the matchday thread, its quite clear Park did plenty wrong tonight.
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Okay every one of these hypocrites should protest to the FA that Park isn't a United quality player and ergo his goal shouldn't count and the game vs. Wolves should be replayed!

Indeed his goal vs. Scunthorpe shouldn't stand either.

The player has a good workrate that has been missing in many players at this club this season ... where was Obertan when Fahey drifted in to score his goal?
 
Berlinknives said:
Okay every one of these hypocrites should protest to the FA that Park isn't a United quality player and ergo his goal shouldn't count and the game vs. Wolves should be replayed!

Indeed his goal vs. Scunthorpe shouldn't stand either.
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Great idea - lets ask the Premier league to strike owen goals 10 strikes off from last season :rolleyes:

Berlinknives said:
The player has a good workrate that has been missing in many players at this club this season ... where was Obertan when Fahey drifted in to score his goal?
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Park never tackles anyone ffs and when he goes near an opponent he falls over. sorry - that is a bit too harsh perhaps
 
Addis said:
Some of you are so harsh on Park, blinded fools.

Good thing he doesn't read this or he might be hurt. Mean feckers.#

Edit: I think this whole forum is a waste of time. Someone please ban me. Cheers.
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SharkyMcShark said:
Don't do it! Don't be a hero!
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I can sort of see why they gave him MOTM. (Park, not The Rock)
 
Allforone said:
Probably Chris Smalling actually, he was the best of a pretty poor bunch tonight and in the first half especially was dominant in defence im really excited by his potential.

How Park got the award ill genuinely never know it was a joke of a decision, im not going to sit here toe the party line and sugar coat what was a dreadful performance from someone you expect much better from, hes an experienced international, he should have been leading the way tonight yet Bebe a kid who hadn't ever started a game for us before looked better than him.

Im not Parks biggest fan never have been but ive appreciated his role in the squad, but he honestly looks so average this season we've had to resort to playing patrice Evra left wing instead even during a mini wide man injury crisis! what does that tell you about the managers thinking of his form of late?

He was poor tonight, that's just a fact, if you've any doubts then re-watch that match, if he hadn't scored that goal i doubt id have anyone even debating it with me right now, everyone was calling for him to be subbed tonight, thats how poor he was, then he scores and hes back to being amazing.
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Yes. Match day threads wise they are.
 
Allforone said:
See thats fair enough, he improved towards the end, which doesn't really say much in fairness but its a fair comment and one that reflects what type of match he had, he stunk the place out for a good hour like many did in truth and improved as the game drew to a close, much like the match as a whole.

What i cant for the life of me fathom is where that MOM award came from and where comments such as "he did nothing wrong" "he was brilliant" come from, he couldnt trap the thing for an hour tonight!
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This for me is totally different from what you've been saying earlier. I don't think anyone really had a good game per ce. Smalling was alright but not much better. Hernandez was great but played a lot less. If the team had been playing well then we'd had more possession and wouldn't have conceded more chances than we created ourselves.

Park wasn't the worst player and to quote the match day thread were they always turn to one player as a scapegoat isn't a good point. He really turned the game around with the goal which basically he did on his own. Not gonna give Macheda credit for a bad touch that lost him the ball.

It's true what you say about him not being a class winger. He's way better in front of the midfield. He showed that last season when he had a good spell and he shows it constantly with Korea where he's the main man. If he'd been there the whole game I'm sure he would have ran the show second half.

No player really deserves more than a 7 for yesterday's performance. Gibson no more than a five. Onlu one mistake? Uhmmmm...Rob Green vs. USA. One mistake. One goal. It's a pretty big mistake for something as useless as taking to men on in at the end of your penalty area or not catching a simple ball.

If Park has a bad game in attack he usually compensates with good tracking back and helping out Evra (who seems to need a lot of it this season). That at least makes him not useless like Gibson was yesterday.

I kind of agree with you but you've been overly harsh on his last nights performance and made it look like he was the only bad player. He at least scored a goal. If he'd had a horrible game against WBA or Sunderland but gotten the winning the goal then he'd be a hero because at the end of the day it's the goals that matter most. That's why strikers who are invisible during games can still be heroes (your RVN, Shevchenkos, Inzaghis, Raúls and Trezeguets of the game).
 
Very happy with Park finally allowing himself to be more selfish in attack.

Much in the same way Nani adding early crosses to his game meant managers/defenders could no longer play him as a "one-dimensional" winger, Park doing his best to shed the "attacking liability" image should go a considerable ways in helping the other forwards find space in future games.
 
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