Hehe that's how I saw it. Delighted it went in, but it was awfully good luck with Gibbs falling over and even more luck when Park fell over and scuffed the ball past Almunia.
PARK-A true unsung hero
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Hehe that's how I saw it. Delighted it went in, but it was awfully good luck with Gibbs falling over and even more luck when Park fell over and scuffed the ball past Almunia.
Before Nani's resurgence, Park was far, far superior. Park was doing the simple things right, he was picking out passes and executing them. Nani a year ago went through a horrible spell where a simple 10 yard sidewards pass with the side foot would be misplaced. Something that all United players should be able to do yet he was consistently giving the ball away. Park isn't as technically gifted, but he uses the talent he has and coupled with his superior footballing brain (as of now) he was more effective. He deserved all the stick he got, it was down to him and no one else. Now he's putting in better performances, he can be afforded the off performance occasionally.
You seem to enjoy pointing out Park's supposed flaws. Like Gibson slipping over highlighted Park's deficiencies, he placed the ball and it went in. Stop being such an utter nit picking cnut you dickhead fecker.
It was particularly cruel since as Gibbs fell over you thought: 'Oh, bollox goal'. Then as Park proceeded to feck it up you thought: 'Maybe he won't... Aargh'.
Incidentally, Park lost the ability to make a 10 yard pass for the last 20 minutes of the Milan game, yet some named him as man of the match. Do you not see the double standards? The way people look the other way when certain players make mistakes?
I didn't notice that, and there couldn't have been many examples. Rooney gave the ball away far more, I'm talking about consistently giving away possession.
He does possess some very good defensive qualities but, that doesn't change the fact that he also is a very good footballer going forward. He gets into space a lot, he can dribble past people and has good passing ability.
If all he was being used for was his defensive ability then SAF would just put on a defender in his place or another defensive midfielder.
The fact that he is so disciplined to be able to be defending one moment and instantly insert himself into an attacking role that very few players do well in the world.
The second goal against Arsenal, see where he started from - in defense and then had the sense to run all the way forward and made the slight change in direction to throw off the defender to open up the space for Rooney to motor into. Technical ability is not all about what you can do with the ball at your feet and do 100 step overs. Making the right pass, making the right run, playing the little triangles, making himself available for a pass - these are things Park does well going forward.
Has anyone said he is as gifted as Nani with ball at his feet? Doubt it. But, just being good with the ball doesn't make you a good attacking player. Takes a lot more and Park possesses a lot of that.
The vast majority of the cafe think you're a clueless cnut.
The vast majority of 'the cafe' are entitled to their opinion. I'll not lose sleep over it. I do have a little giggle though when people call names through their internet screens.
No, he doesn't - he lacks quality, You see it time and time again around the box - poor decision-making, poor execution - characteristic of a mid-table player.
Am assuming your giggle was at my reply. You whine when people don't respond to you and respond with one liners, then continue to whine about others double standards in your posts .... tsk tsk ...
Players do that in an around the box all the time, or games would end 100-99 all the time. Even Rooney makes poor decisions, like going for the shot on his weaker foot when Nani was open closer to the goal. It was a very good shot but, there was a better option.
All the fancy passing around the box and technical superiority Le Arse have hasn't brought them too many trophies that I can recall recently. The players like Park who blend both work and ability though have led to our successes. As such he is exactly where he needs to be.
Let me get this straight. Logan's feeling was hurt because most people with a brain here likes Park more than Nani. So he said Park's shite to make it even.
what a fecking weirdo.
what a fecking weirdo.
He's won at least one title with every club he's been at. Most of the time having to endure extreme negativity from the fans until he eventually emerged as none other than the focal point around which his clubs built those title-winning teams (not with us though...not yet, at least) I don't think he cares much either. In fact, I think after he's dead, an autopsy might just reveal he has the thickest skin ever on record.
Is this referring to how a recovering Gibbs pulled Park down, resulting in the ref being prepared to give a peno had Park's shot not gone in?
His quality is there to see. You may not see it but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a quality. Obviously Fergie sees it, doesn't he?
No, but why should it matter? I haven't seen other players live either, so I guess it's fair to compare them, since it's all on the basis of seeing them on TV.
The game was over so quickly because Arsnal had been completely out-classed in both legs, with the performances from Park and Fletcher putting your (supposed) thorough-breds to shame. Which is exactly what happened in the league at your place this season.
Nowt so blind...
I agree 100%. If Nani played like Park does quite often many people would criticize him. But just because it's Park and he's "great little player" and most people "love the bugger" he gets away with it, and after he plays a few good - by his standards - games, suddenly he's "an unsung hero".
I respect all the opinions here. But I'm not the one who will admire a shit player just because his work rate is good - see Alan Smith. And after, like Smith, they move to smaller clubs, their mediocrity suddenly is seen. Smaller clubs is where they belong.
Exactly. He tends to ignore these types of posts. I find it amusing how such shite players in his mind practically walk all over his team of world class footballers nearly every time they play each other. And then, what he'll say is that Fletcher fouls his way to victory, yet as another poster pointed out, Song and Diaby have fouled more than Fletcher even though they played less games. That says it all.
You also missed out on Nani's poor defense.
You have double standard too. You totally ignored Park's ability to track back and defense and Nani's lack of.
They have their own comparative advantage. No one was discussing about Nani in this thread. So why do you feel insulted by ppl praising Park?
These players go to smaller clubs. They end up shite not always because they are shite, but because in many occasions their new managers have no idea in bringing the best out of them.
I won't comment on whether Park can fly to the moon our not but I am sure to say that Fergie brought the best out of Park. That's all I can say.
Wtf is all this? Why can't we just give credit to some fella who has obviously played a good role in our wins? Also, not everything in football is about talent. I get the impression that most of the idiots on here hate Fletcher and Park because they don't have silky touches and smooth dribbling skills.
Shit player?
He has his strengths and like others he has limitations....but shit?
The vast majority of 'the cafe' are entitled to their opinion. I'll not lose sleep over it. I do have a little giggle though when people call names through their internet screens.
The problem with some fans like you, is that they only see the fanciful things that goes on a pitch, ie things that end up as statistics. On the contrary, you will struggle to see any positives of a player like Park, Deschamp, Makelele, etc. A lot of what goes on the pitch do not appear as stats. They are the intangibles, and are vital to a team's success. You celebrate the goals, the juggling, and the dribbling, but do you realised the importance of those who tackles, who run into spaces, those who close down opposition, etc? Stop thinking of Park as a Ricardo Queresma, cos he isn't.
Yeah, just look at Real Madrid without Makelele
Not surprised you said no to be honest. You learn alot more about players like Park by seeing them live. Even watching a match live on TV you miss so much, the camera will focus on the ball and not the outstanding off the ball runs and covering someone like Park does on a routine basis.
Im still just shocked at some of the nonsense in here. What the feck more does the chap have to do to shut this clueless minority of "fans" up?
Nani is more criticized than Park because we know he can achieve a lot more than he's done so far.He has more talent than Park but he hasn't really found the maturity and consistency in his game whereas Park uses his strengths a lot more cleverly and optimally.
That's the main reason why Park is more liked than Nani because he uses his ability more efficiently than Nani.
That's the main reason why Park is more liked than Nani because he uses his ability more efficiently than Nani.
Not that I disagree with you but whether or not Nani deserves his critcism has got absolutely feck all to do with how well Park has performed for United.
I was talking about the poster who was asking why Nani wasn't given the same tolerance as Park.
I know that their performances aren't related
I know that their performances aren't related
Like I said, I don't disagree with you (although it stands to reason Park is more mature and consistent than Nani, seeing as he's older). I just thought his comment didn't really deserve a considered response.
It was such a fecking stupid way to justify slagging off Park after a really top performance - because Nani gets stick. I mean what the feck?
Yes it was stupid but some people justify their dumb opinions with "freedom of speech"
For Peter:
Wenger: I'm convinced by Park Ji-Sung's quality
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has praised Manchester United midfielder Park Ji-Sung after Korean press questioned him about the energetic winger in his weekly press conference.
The 29-year-old, who scored in the Champions League semi-final for United at the Emirates, has been a dependable member of Sir Alex Ferguson’s squad since moving from Dutch side PSV Eindhoven in 2005.
A likely star for South Korea at the World Cup in South Africa, the Arsenal supremo confirmed that he was impressed by the burgeoning talents emanating from the country while joking about Park’s scoring record for United.
“I know that some of the Korean players are doing very well in England and of course it excites your curiosity,” Wenger told assembled press.
“There are very few Asian players playing in Europe and especially in the Premier League but the Koreans look to have adapted very well here.
“Park has started very well. I think he has made his name at Eindhoven first and in the Champions League has convinced. When you play against him, he’s a very hard working player who sacrifices for the team but as well has good skill and scores important goals, unfortunately, against us.
“I’m convinced by his quality. He has a top level attitude.”
Wenger: I'm convinced by Park Ji-Sung's quality
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has praised Manchester United midfielder Park Ji-Sung after Korean press questioned him about the energetic winger in his weekly press conference.
The 29-year-old, who scored in the Champions League semi-final for United at the Emirates, has been a dependable member of Sir Alex Ferguson’s squad since moving from Dutch side PSV Eindhoven in 2005.
A likely star for South Korea at the World Cup in South Africa, the Arsenal supremo confirmed that he was impressed by the burgeoning talents emanating from the country while joking about Park’s scoring record for United.
“I know that some of the Korean players are doing very well in England and of course it excites your curiosity,” Wenger told assembled press.
“There are very few Asian players playing in Europe and especially in the Premier League but the Koreans look to have adapted very well here.
“Park has started very well. I think he has made his name at Eindhoven first and in the Champions League has convinced. When you play against him, he’s a very hard working player who sacrifices for the team but as well has good skill and scores important goals, unfortunately, against us.
“I’m convinced by his quality. He has a top level attitude.”
Wenger > Peter
Fair play to the Prof for the self-deprecating humour "scores important goals, unfortunately, against us"
He's a fine player that is difficult to be rated, because a lot of people on here overrate him and the rest vastly underrate him. He's in between that, he's not really one of the top wingers in European football but he's easily good enough to play here and possesses a sufficient amount of quality even for a side like United.
That's obviously not true though is it. I've clearly explained myself very well, yet people like you choose to ignore the lengthy post I made and cherry pick a few words, misinterpret them intentionally and attempt to belittle the poster with them. Unfortunately that's the level of debate for some people on here. Rather than try to debate the very valid points I made, people resort to childish insults instead because it's simple easier than admitting the truth.
Case in point:
Sums it up quite well.
Pogue is actually a good poster a lot of the time and I agree with a lot of the posts he makes, but he certainly has his favourite posters and ones he'll never likely agree with. Those in the latter category are dubbed spastics for no other reason than having a differing opinion to him. Sadly for me (I cry about it daily) I happen to be on his naughty list, so rather than try and argue against my post he just chooses to call me names, much like the school bully who swings his fist at someone every time he gets out-thought. Except Pogue does it ever so bravely behind the safety of his computer screen.
I think it's fairly obvious Park is very limited as a footballer. His crossing, dribbling, shooting, strength and speed are all well below par of what's been expected of a united winger in the past. The only reason he's still a valuable squad member is because if his defensive qualities as I said earlier. Ten years ago he wouldn't have got near the team. It's only in recent seasons that Fergie has changed his tactics in Europe and Park has directly benefitted fro this. He has a very important role to play in the big away games, but his omission from the Champions League final squad spoke volumes. He's not a match winner. He generally carries no goal threat and is not likely to create a goal for others. I don't really think that's a controversial opinion. I know he eats dogs and doesn't live in a council house, but that doesn't mean he's a brilliant footballer. Far from it. He's average and if he left United would end up at somewhere like Everton or lower.
Is he shit on FIFA or something?