It is when other big clubs around Europe offer better terms.
He isnt a local lad. Probably won't have the same affinity for United that someone like Clev or Welbeck would.
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It is when other big clubs around Europe offer better terms.
He isnt a local lad. Probably won't have the same affinity for United that someone like Clev or Welbeck would.
just shows the mindset of players today. they want everything upfront instead of getting it when the have earned it.
Said it before, if he doesnt want to be here then let him go.
It will be his loss.
It will be his loss.
Still, he's 18. At this stage it should be all about progression. He's got a superb opportunity of making it at one of the best teams in the world, under probably the greatest manager at developing young talent. Make a name for yourself first and the money will take care of itself down the line.
What do Juventus offer that we don't though, apart from perhaps more money? We've got one of the most exciting young squads in the world. If all he wants is more money he can feck off.
It is weird. Petrucci's contract is up soon as well. We lost out on a bigger fee for Pique because he had only a year left.
Not sure why don't tie up the obviously talented players sooner than letting it linger till their last few months.
I keep getting mixed signals from Pogba, he seems really keen on staying here and his enthusiasm was there for everyone to see against Stoke. However why is there no progress on his contract, surely he can speak up for himself and not rely solely on his agent. There was also SAF's comments on him changing agents a few times. Why does shit have to be so complicated nowadays, it'd take me like 5 mins to sign the contract, all I'd need is for my solicitor to read through and make sure there's nothing dodgy in it. fecking football.
Two questions arise for me.
Why are we putting ourselves in the awkward position of late negotiation and hence like you say face the risk of losing our top talents for peanuts.(already happened with morisson)
And secondly, why the hell are our best talents not dreaming and itching for a future with us? Either were picking players with the wrong mentality or were not handling them very well. Either way, it's not ideal.
I don't see why most players need agents really, perhaps to help find them a club. However if you're already at a great club and it's about negotiating a deal then it's not rocket science, especially if you're at one of the greatest clubs in the world with the greatest manager who ever lived. You sign the shit out of that contract. I don't understand why you'd need an agent. The only conclusion I can come to is that all footballers are retarded.
More money and possibly FT football a lot sooner.
His agent is probably building him up and telling him how good he is and how he deserves to play etc etc. The lad probably thinks he's better than he his.
He can feck off if he thinks he can bully SAF into playing him.
Tbh Pogba pretty much left United the minute he got himself involved with Mino Raiola. Raiola does care about his clients more than making a profit for himself but he will ensure that Pogba gets the best deal possible and United aren't famous for throwing cash at youngsters.
At United a guy like Pogba has to establish himself in the first team then in a few years get a bigger contract as a reward but sadly it seems like Pogba is seeking a decent contract already and that goes against Fergie's way of doing things. If Fergie gives in to Pogba's demands and offer him a really good contract what's stopping the likes of Petrucci from demanding the same kinda money if they come knocking on the door to United's first team.
Pogba is a special talent but Fergie will probably not have second thoughts about sending him packing if keeps pushing for a big payday.
At United a guy like Pogba has to establish himself in the first team then in a few years get a bigger contract as a reward but sadly it seems like Pogba is seeking a decent contract already and that goes against Fergie's way of doing things. If Fergie gives in to Pogba's demands and offer him a really good contract what's stopping the likes of Petrucci from demanding the same kinda money if they come knocking on the door to United's first team.
Pogba is a special talent but Fergie will probably not have second thoughts about sending him packing if keeps pushing for a big payday.
fecking frustrating that we're being held ransom by a teenager yet to make a proper impact on the team. Having read Zlatan's autobiography, Raiola comes across as a massive cnut.
To be honest why did we leave so late to renegotiate, we only have ourselves to blame if we are being held to ransom. First of all if his contract is up this Summer, why didn't we get the 3 years max deal we can offer youth players and secondly why are we leaving it until now to renegotiate a new deal.
People forget the fact that we ourselves poached Pogba from Le Havre in somewhat acrimonious circumstances. Expecting any kind of loyalty is rediculous.
Because there is ow an agent involved who's hawking him all around Europe.
It's not even a question of loyalty just common sense, there's a clear path to the First Team to Pogba and it's clear we like his potential.
Very true indeed.
Mino Raiola also facilitated one of Ajax's biggest talents in years Ouasim Bouy to Juventus in the winter transfer window. Pogba is as good as gone already. Raiola will milk Pogba to the last penny or sell his ass to another club. An agent should look after his players interests, agents tend to play games, but Raiola crosses the line. His agent is an ass.
What makes you think negotiations started this season?
There is no suggestion otherwise, also if talks had dragged on that long we'd have most likely tried to cut our losses in January if we felt like we couldn't keep him.
Sounds as good as gone. Shame. Not pushed about him playing vs Ajax now.
I suspect that the club is weary at throwing contracts at players who haven't yet really done anything of note in case we damage their hunger to achieve greater heights. There's a fear of players thinking they've already made it, when they're capable of so much more.
Why?
If we rate him very highly, it makes sense to do everything we can to hold onto him. We would only get peanuts if we sold him anyway. He's barely played more than a few minutes for the first team. Certainly not enough money to justify "cutting our losses".
I'd tell any of the young lads trying to play hardball that they won't play until they commit. If they really want to stay at the club they'll want to progress into the first team and will sign in order to play, if not then there's no point developing them anyway.
No point, as SAF pointed out we do have the option to extend his deal by 1 year next month, so we have more time compared to the Ravel situation.
True I suppose, this one-year option thing is annoying me. Can we actually enforce it or not?
If he does leave, which seems likely, it's a crying fecking shame.
No idea if it could have been prevented. Probably not. Whatever, losing Morrison and Pogba in the same season is a massive kick in the teeth.
No idea if it could have been prevented. Probably not. Whatever, losing Morrison and Pogba in the same season is a massive kick in the teeth.
This prolonged negotiation sound like it's all the agent's doing. Would not be surprised one bit if he's gotten into Pogba's head claiming he has no chance of making it here.
Hopefully, Rio's and SAF's words weigh more.
Hopefully, Rio's and SAF's words weigh more.
Fixed.
It's also very different to the Ravel situation in that if we'd have actually wanted to, I'm sure we'd have kept Morrison. He couldn't even be bothered to turn up to training regularly and it was decided that for us, it'd be best of if he was someone else's problem.
Pogba on the other hand, aside from this contract issue, I've heard nothing but great stuff about, good trainer and generally a top kid. It's clear it's just his agent talking nonsense in his ear trying to get the best deal for himself rather than Pogba and it seems we have got Rio telling him the real deal so let's just wait and see.
As people have quite rightly said…..he isnt a manchester lad….he isnt even english.
He's 18-19 with obscene potential. I bet phil jones is on a lot more than him. Whilst he cant really ask for the same as jones I don’t think he is out of line asking to be closer salary rise.
Put yourself in his shoes…….imagine you as a 18-19 year old english lad at bayern munich. Your offered £5k per week, 5 year contract. Your expected to break into the first team. Your aware of a number of lads of a similar age who are in the first team but not established earning £40-£50k per week. Your going to be asking for £25-30k ish….i know I would.
Then imagine the big spanish and italian teams come in and offer you £25-£30k. No brainer.
Admittedley there's a bigger picture in that he's at a club with a tradition of nurturing young players into stars…..but that takes time. Why would Pogba want to sign for 5 years when its unlikeley fergie will see out his 5 years.
There is all kinds of things to consider………
He's 18-19 with obscene potential. I bet phil jones is on a lot more than him. Whilst he cant really ask for the same as jones I don’t think he is out of line asking to be closer salary rise.
Put yourself in his shoes…….imagine you as a 18-19 year old english lad at bayern munich. Your offered £5k per week, 5 year contract. Your expected to break into the first team. Your aware of a number of lads of a similar age who are in the first team but not established earning £40-£50k per week. Your going to be asking for £25-30k ish….i know I would.
Then imagine the big spanish and italian teams come in and offer you £25-£30k. No brainer.
Admittedley there's a bigger picture in that he's at a club with a tradition of nurturing young players into stars…..but that takes time. Why would Pogba want to sign for 5 years when its unlikeley fergie will see out his 5 years.
There is all kinds of things to consider………
Or, more likely, we wait as long as possible with contract extensions to save money.
Regarding Pogba; feck him and feck his fat cnut of an agent. He's an 18 year old kid who's found himself regularly on the bench for Manchester United. If that's not enough assurance for him that the club believes in him and that he's going to make it if he plays well, then feck him. I love to see a youngster come through the ranks as much as anyone, but the problem is here that this kid hasn't done anything to warrant a massive pay-rise from what he's on at the moment. So, if he's being led by his agent who can promise him first team football at Juventus or whatever, then feck him. We shouldn't encourage that kind of behaviour and give him game time if he's not going to sign. If he really wanted to sign he would've signed by now, wouldn't he? What's going to change over the next three months? It's not like we're going to go "oh feck it's just a month left, let's offer him four times as much", and now he's just biding his time and possibly getting games for us while we all hold our breaths and wait for the inevitable move?
I might end up with an egg on my face if he actually signs, but until he does so he shouldn't be playing for us IMO, because we shouldn't encourage kids who haven't made any mark yet (or their agents) to feck us over like this.
Edit: People comparing the wage situation to Jones and the likes aren't thinking this through. Pogba hasn't established himself yet at the top level. If he signs a four year deal here and then goes on to be a revelation next season, he'll get another new contract for sure, like Chicharito did. Jones was a Premier League first-team player for his former club and was probably on £30k for them. It's pretty natural that we have to match that and increase it a bit too in order to persuade him to sign for us and not the other clubs that were sniffing around.
I agree with the post by ben_foster above 100%. It does seem like he's off, but at least its now rather than him becoming an integral part of the team then deciding to hold us to ransom
I disagree. There are two scenarios as perfect examples of each extreme and although the circumstances wasn't money (allegedly) they are still great examples.
1. Ronaldo: Becomes an integral part of our team and BPITY, the inevitable move comes and we bag £80m for him after he has helped to win us multiple leagues as well as a Champions League Trophy and Runner Up Shield.
2. Pique: We let him leave at exactly the stage Pogba is at and he goes on to become an integral player for Barcelona as well as being part of the the team that defeats us in Rome and denies us another Champions League trophy. We got £6m for him.
You'd rather we let him go, don't get any benefit of his talent and get pittance for him than let him develop into the player he can be win medals with us before commanding a real transfer fee?
In my opinion If I was in Fergies shoes I would definately give him a start against Europe and then 45 minutes against Norwich. We have created another title winning team for the next generation and we have already lost our potential main man (Morrison) and now we could lose our next big talent in Pogba. We need to fast track him into the team because it looks like he is ready, he is very confident in his ability and in my opinion wouldn't hesitate to do anything on the pitch if he believes he can pull it off.
Its not looking good to be honest with the boy having employed some fat greasy wanna-be big shot agent. Raiola is probably constantly showing Pogba photos of all the gorgeous birds he will get to bone in Turin if he signs for Juve in desparation at making a quick couple of million quid from the boy.
When Fergie comes out and says agents are ruining the game then it often means that the news that he didnt want to hear has travelled his way. Maybe a start against Ajax could swing his mind again. But if we lose him then we might end up getting an equally or even more talented kid coming our way possibly such as Barkley or whoever and then Tunnicliffe still could have a big role to play in a couple of years too!
When Fergie comes out and says agents are ruining the game then it often means that the news that he didnt want to hear has travelled his way. Maybe a start against Ajax could swing his mind again. But if we lose him then we might end up getting an equally or even more talented kid coming our way possibly such as Barkley or whoever and then Tunnicliffe still could have a big role to play in a couple of years too!
Who's his agent?
He doesn't look dodgy in the slightest.
Exactly right, there is no way to dress it up.
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