Paul Pogba

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Striker10 said:
It's not a comparison to giggs. It's an example of a talented kid who's not fully developed and who didn't go out on loan but was given an opportunity and now he's out most successful player. That is not a comparison. They're not like to for like. It was to point out, that not every bleeping player needs to go out on loan or even be fully developed.

The type of midfielder Pogba is, personally he should have free licence because I think he's better as an attacking player and he has the qualities for that. It might be different if we say to him..box to box..or get stuck in.

The burden of expectation is out of context in this instance because we still have Anderson/Fletcher/Giggs/Carrick etc...and as for faith, I don't see much of that in the kids. To me it's an insult to the kids that none appear good enough. I wonder why.

You'll note I said in an advanced midfield position with experienced midfielders behind him. When you do that, you play to the kids strengths while giving more experienced players the responsibility. I just think when we have a big lead, or perhaps if we are at home or it's the carling cup we should give him a shot.

These kids train with the first team anyway. They pick up experience all the time. They're brought up the united way, playing our brand of football. People can be too dismissive. Saying give them an opportunity isn't radical thinking.

To me the difference is in 1991 we were chasing, and in 2011 we're not. We're top dogs but one player is not going to break us and as I say if we never gave kiko those minutes against Villa, we might not have not won the league that year....you just never know.
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Kiko had scored a hat-trick in the previous reserve game before getting that chance. Pogba is still not ready yet for more than a few minutes at the end of games at most.

And re: your point that 'if you're good enough you're old enough, Fergie thinks he's obviously not good enough yet, and with all due respect, his opinion > yours.
 
Drainy said:
Pogba was very close to being taken to America with the first team squad this year because of his talent, I imagine he will play a part of Scholesy's testimonial and who knows if he will do a Rafael?
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He's in the squad for Scholesy's testimonial. :cool:
 
samabachan said:
Kiko had scored a hat-trick in the previous reserve game before getting that chance. Pogba is still not ready yet for more than a few minutes at the end of games at most.

And re: your point that 'if you're good enough you're old enough, Fergie thinks he's obviously not good enough yet, and with all due respect, his opinion > yours.
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Yes i know that. Sir Alex tested him and he passed. Very good. However, maybe you can tell me how good that newcastle team were? Pogba isn't a striker so is judge on different parts of his game. Oh and I got news for you, Kiko WASN'T ready....so that kinda moots any point doesn't it. Sir Alex also said Italian goalkeepers are the best around the time we got Tiabi :)

So while I respect Sir Alex, all we can do is say what we think. Kind of like what everyone does. It's simple really, with all due respect.
 
As we can't edit...Kiko came in for a game maybe two but was taken out. Just because he scored a great goal on his debut means very little 2 years down the line when you are still fighting to break into the team.
 
Striker10 said:
Yes i know that. Sir Alex tested him and he passed. Very good. However, maybe you can tell me how good that newcastle team were? Pogba isn't a striker so is judge on different parts of his game. Oh and I got news for you, Kiko WASN'T ready....so that kinda moots any point doesn't it. Sir Alex also said Italian goalkeepers are the best around the time we got Tiabi :)

So while I respect Sir Alex, all we can do is say what we think. Kind of like what everyone does. It's simple really, with all due respect.
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For someone who wasn't ready, getting 2 crucial goals to win games wasn't a bad return!

Long term he might not have been ready for regular football, but SAF put him in at the right time and he was rewarded for that.
 
Bloody good cameo tonight, some great touches/passes and he always wanted the ball.
 
Looked the part. Hope we get a good CC run to give him some decent playing time.
 
Don't sign Sneijder, play Pogba.
 
It's no accident Fergie brought him on for Paul Scholes. He plans every little detail like this.
 
He is so composed. Couple of times there he got the ball under pressure, and dealt with it perfectly.

Hard to believe he's only 18.
 
"Where do they get their hair cuts nowadays" - When Pogba came on :lol:
 
He is a truly special player and he showed that even in the cameo tonight.

I've said this before on here but I'll say it again - it's a rarity to see a youth game where everyone is in agreement that one player is a certainty to make it, but that was the case vs Chelsea in the youth cup semi last season. It was in both legs, United and Chelsea fans alike. Pogba is pure class and I can't wait to see him get more minutes for us.
 
His technique is brilliant and that allows him to get out of tight situation. Hope to see him in a few games this season
 
His technique is nothing new. At any level, if you can manipulate the ball the way he can that will translate at any level. If you are strong mentally, the crowd/mistakes won't bother you and eventually your quality will prevail. Sadly I missed the game but the more exposure the kids gets, the more people will realise what we have. All a player can do is make an impression and we know his strengths, for me outweigh any weaknesses people may feel he has.
 
by the look of things, he is going to get a few games this season.

would not be surprise if he does a rafael 2008/09 this season.
 
Would it be too risky to throw him in our pool of midfielders and just play him like Fergie did with our golden generation?
 
I've preached about this lad to death....but the kid is that good. Every player you can think of starts from a position of no experience. I think he probably could and I still think 1) he'd be a starter at Arsenal and 2) if he gets in, he will make an impression and will be hard to drop. It could go tits up - that would be a massive shock
 
The last 20 minutes of that game were a very poor means of judging any player. We were running rings round them at that point. Pogba is a very talented young player but drifts in and out of games even at Academy level and tends to let his head drop if he's getting targetted, physically.

He's going to be a star but at least one more season of reserve football awaits. Hopefully get a decent run in the CC, mind you.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The last 20 minutes of that game were a very poor means of judging any player. We were running rings round them at that point. Pogba is a very talented young player but drifts in and out of games even at Academy level and tends to let his head drop if he's getting targetted, physically.

He's going to be a star but at least one more season of reserve football awaits. Hopefully get a decent run in the CC, mind you.
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I was going to point this out when talking about the Da Silvas as a comparison. Those two just seeemed absolutely desperate to make it no matter what game they were playing in, where as Pogba doesn't seem quite so driven going by some of his academy and reserve games. Saying that, that's not to say that his attitude his poor by any means - it's probably because he knows he's a bit too good for that level. He was taking the piss at times in the reserves at times without even being a regular.

When he starts controlling games...my word. What a player we could have.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The last 20 minutes of that game were a very poor means of judging any player. We were running rings round them at that point. Pogba is a very talented young player but drifts in and out of games even at Academy level and tends to let his head drop if he's getting targetted, physically.
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Very good point. I've noticed this too. He is a very temperamental character and is not ready for regular first team football, both physically and mentally.

While he has been excellent for the academy, he hasn't been consistent with the reserves. He's had good and bad games. All part of growing up obviously. But he needs to develop consistency. Same with Morrison.

I hate it when some on here build up our youngsters to the point of delusion and then criticize heavivly when they have a bad spell and don't live up to the delusional hype.

Pogba, Morrison etc. are very talented but need time to develop. Pinning our midfield hopes on them will do them more damage than good.
 
Striker10 said:
I've preached about this lad to death....but the kid is that good. Every player you can think of starts from a position of no experience. I think he probably could and I still think 1) he'd be a starter at Arsenal and 2) if he gets in, he will make an impression and will be hard to drop. It could go tits up - that would be a massive shock
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You are mental. Arsenal have probably got the best midfield in the league, but you think a boy who's literally just come out of our academy with absolutely no top level experience would walk into their XI!? By all means you can try and justify your claim... but it might be a good idea to just accept that you're wrong on this particular occasion and a little over excited.
 
Striker10 said:
I've preached about this lad to death....but the kid is that good. Every player you can think of starts from a position of no experience. I think he probably could and I still think 1) he'd be a starter at Arsenal and 2) if he gets in, he will make an impression and will be hard to drop. It could go tits up - that would be a massive shock
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Morrison would, Pogba is levels behind when it comes to his off-the-ball movement IMHO, he's still a year or 2 off. He's brilliant on the ball, but off it, he still has work to do. It'll be Anderson MkII if he gets a a substantial run...
 
MacMUFC said:
You are mental. Arsenal have probably got the best midfield in the league, but you think a boy who's literally just come out of our academy with absolutely no top level experience would walk into their XI!? By all means you can try and justify your claim... but it might be a good idea to just accept that you're wrong on this particular occasion and a little over excited.
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No different to Fabregas
 
rotherham_red said:
Morrison would, Pogba is levels behind when it comes to his off-the-ball movement IMHO, he's still a year or 2 off. He's brilliant on the ball, but off it, he still has work to do. It'll be Anderson MkII if he gets a a substantial run...
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Off the ball movement or tracking back?
 
Look Neville/Scholes agree with me so I can live with it. We've not privy to certain things so we can never say for sure. I think people look towards the negatives FAR to much.

I got news for you. No one in our squad is perfect. No one. Also when you play with older players, it's a massive compliment and gives you a boost. Some people embrace that and some don't.

If you know what the player can do, you can cater for it. No one says Ronaldinho was shite, because he never tracked back....

But I look at the pros to his performance and some don't.
 
Dion said:
Apart from Fabregas is very, very, very, very good at football and Pogba is only very good?
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Are you asking me or telling me? These are opinions, not factual. In addition Pogba is a different type of player to Fabregas. So what are you saying?
 
When we promoted Ryan Giggs, his crossing was poor but that was irrelevant because that would improve with experience. ..
 
What i'm saying is players improve with experience. In addition to that, they benefit from playing with experience and in addition to that players learn how to play with other players. How many people feared about Rafael? Fabio? We'd concede a ton! They're too attacking!! The shape caters for that and allows them that. So we allow them to play to their strengths and with experience, fans like us don't worry about them in spite of the fact they still are not experienced players

When it comes to Pogba and I'm not second guessing but I don't see a problem if you play to his strengths and give him freedom to go forward with someone more experienced covering for him. Will that happen? No. I think Pogba has a certain style as do the Da Silva twins. They're contrasting. I think people that say it's over excitement maybe could analyse the situation a bit better

Tonight was a friendly but it was in front of a big crowd and while he's 18, he played his natural game without forcing it. Often kids are too eager to impress but he just went about his business. That's a plus. In spite of not playing THAT long, he did well. That's a plus. We know about his technique. However it's how he handles the occasion that's being examined.

People can think it's mental. However when we bought the Da Silva twins over, no one would have said they'd play. You had those people fearing about their height. Fearing they'd make a ton of mistakes. That we'd get exploited. Not a bit of it...
 
But then he was a special talent. CR, Messi, Rooney, Fabregas.. Pogba still have some ways to go.
 
How do you define a special talent? :wenger:
 
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