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Pogue Mahone said:
True that. He'll have trained with the first team throughout last season an' all.
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Has that been "confirmed" by someone or is it an educated guess? It would make sense but then why would Sir make a point of it in his presser? Maybe he's now regularly with the first team whereas it was a sporadic thing last season..?
 
Elliott said:
Has that been "confirmed" by someone or is it an educated guess? It would make sense but then why would Sir make a point of it in his presser? Maybe he's now regularly with the first team whereas it was a sporadic thing last season..?
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So this is based on the press conference? What did he say, exactly?

The Academy always train with the first team afaik. I remember a couple of the young lads saying what a buzz it is during interviews last season.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So this is based on the press conference? What did he say, exactly?

The Academy always train with the first team afaik. I remember a couple of the young lads saying what a buzz it is during interviews last season.
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No idea, dude. Gambit's post made think that Pogba training with the first team was a new development. In retrospect, an assumption on my part, and you're probably right.
 
It doesn't seem like it's from the press conference (?) and he has been involved in first-team training, although it's unsure whether this is a regular thing (I'd suggest not).

“And as we always do when young players show potential, we try to include them first of all in the first team training, which they have done along with Paul Pogba who has done very well"
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23rd February.

And I think this all started from what was posted from twitter which is why it probably wasn't expanded on...

Sir Alex also said in his press-con that Paul Pogba has been promoted from the reserves now and that he'll get his chance. #MUFC
 
Watching the Fergie press conference.
Sounds like he will be involved this season. More than I had expected a few weeks back.
 
“We have got [Darren] Fletcher to come back, Michael Carrick who tends to develop more around November and the young boy [Paul] Pogba, who is showing great promise for us. If we hold him back, what is going to happen? He will leave in a couple of years. We have to give him opportunities to show how he can do.

"He has the ability, physique and athleticism.

“When you take that roll call of players, I am certainly not looking to add to that. There is an emphasis on young players at this club and always has been. If they have the ability and the temperament there is only one thing you can do and that is play them.”
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Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson sticks up for youth as he backs Tom Cleverley and class of 2011 - Telegraph

Another reason to be even more excited about the up coming season.
 
I am glad SAF is thinking this way.
Exactly what I was thinking in bring in sneijder, I know Pogba is young, but he has it, no need to hold him back. There are moments where one need to take a punt and hope. Don't just sit there and wait and wait and wait. Opportunity will not knock again because it will have developed arthritis from fecking knocking.
 
He'll prob only see Carling Cup games, dead rubber Euro games and potential FA cup ties though barring a major injury crisis, which is what most expected of him anyway. Hopefully Morrison next to be moved up.
 
datura said:
He'll prob only see Carling Cup games, dead rubber Euro games and potential FA cup ties though barring a major injury crisis, which is what most expected of him anyway. Hopefully Morrison next to be moved up.
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i am hoping that morrison is just as close as pogba in terms of breaking into the first team. no doubt pogba is very talented but morrison is just as talented, if not better than pogba.

his performances for the youth team last year, especially in those youth cup ties were just magnificent. really hoping that he will make it at united.
 
Stojan Stamenic said:
I really can't see why he prefers Pogba over Morrison for first team. Every time i watched the academy last season, Ravel was by far more influental player.
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Without a doubt Morrison was the jewel in that team.
It certainly helps Pogba that he is tall and strong for first team recognition though.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Didn't Fergie say he really wanted to take Pogba on the US tour but couldn't because of numbers?
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The likes of Obertan and Diouf were up for sale and needed a chance to show what they can do so that clubs might come in and buy them so thats obviously why they got the nod instead of Pogba for the US tour
 
datura said:
I think it's more that he's a c mid player and we are less well off there atm. Morrison has hardly had a pre-season either, only played in 3 games, 2 of those as a sub.
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Seems odd to read someone discussing Morrison as if he could feasibly be considered for the first team - surely got way too many off the pitch issues to resolve before he comes anywhere near being considered.
 
In amongst the Sneijder speculation I secretly hoped this would happen. His footwork, passing ability and shooting is top class and he hasn't fully realised his own body strength yet. There's little more he can learn from reserve team football. If Fergie truly believes he's ready for a gradual introduction to the first team squad, i'm right behind him.

Hope Morrison has a consistent year for the reserves and a few first team opportunities as well. Then it won't be too long before he's officially promoted as well.
 
Watching that Video above, I'm hoping that becomes an icon image. Scholes off, Pogba on. He's a very different player to Scholes but as has been said before, we never directly replace players, only adapt the team. Ronaldo filled the void Beckham left, not as a carbon copy but by the different qualities he offered. Pogba has the height for the Premier League, the long shot our team is missing (shoooooooooot feck off gibson.) the technical play and the positional sense (at least at his level). I'd love to see Sneijder here as much as anayone (even WR8) but if we gave a start to Pogba. Morrison or Cleverley because there is space in the squad I'd be equally happy if not more happy.
 
The most interesting thing about those quotes from the manager is that they may reveal a recognition that Rossi and to a lesser extent Pique were lost to the club because they were not prepared to wait to be integrated in to the first team on the timescale that the club would have preferred.

I suspect that Sir Alex probably believes that Pogba is too young to play a role in the first team and that he would prefer foreign born players to follow a similar development strategy to their British counter-parts, but I can certainly understand the logic of at least involving them in the first team squad and possibly even some games in order to convince them that they are going to be an important player in the future.

Having said that, physical development is almost as important as maturity and experience when introducing young players in to the team, so it is entirely possible that the manager simply believes that Pogba is physically advanced in comparison to many players of the same age, despite the fact that there is clearly a lot of physical development yet to be realized.

It's also important to note that even if Pogba moves up to the first team squad, it says very little about his immediate role in first team affairs. Of course, if he is outstanding in training and particularly in limited appearances on pitch, then the circumstances may dictate an accelerated integration in to the team. At this point, however, it's not credible to suggest that an 18 year old is in any way analogous to a 27 year old international who has won the Champions League and appeared in a World Cup Final.

The often repeated phrase that 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' is in one sense true, but it's also incomplete and therefore misleading. Pogba's talent is not really in question, but it's important for both the player and the club that he is allowed to develop as naturally as possible. Different aspects of a footballers game develop at different rates and it is possible to damage a players development and therefore the expression of that talent on the pitch by overlooking the mental and physical aspects of the game.

I can certainly understand the eagerness to see an obviously talented player appearing in first team games. The appealing logic of that position appears to be that it will accelerate the development process and therefore benefit the team. But it's important to recognize the inherently selfish nature of that position.

On the one hand, there is the desire to see that player in the first team. And on the other, there is a focus on how that player can benefit the team. Conspicuous by its absence is an emphasis on what is most beneficial for the player, specifically.

That is why I believe that any discussion about whether a young player is ready to be integrated in to the first team should always start from a position of whether it would be in the best interests of that players long term development.
 
Joga_Bonito said:
The most interesting thing about those quotes from the manager is that they may reveal a recognition that Rossi and to a lesser extent Pique were lost to the club because they were not prepared to wait to be integrated in to the first team on the timescale that the club would have preferred.

I suspect that Sir Alex probably believes that Pogba is too young to play a role in the first team and that he would prefer foreign born players to follow a similar development strategy to their British counter-parts, but I can certainly understand the logic of at least involving them in the first team squad and possibly even some games in order to convince them that they are going to be an important player in the future.

Having said that, physical development is almost as important as maturity and experience when introducing young players in to the team, so it is entirely possible that the manager simply believes that Pogba is physically advanced in comparison to many players of the same age, despite the fact that there is clearly a lot of physical development yet to be realized.

It's also important to note that even if Pogba moves up to the first team squad, it says very little about his immediate role in first team affairs. Of course, if he is outstanding in training and particularly in limited appearances on pitch, then the circumstances may dictate an accelerated integration in to the team. At this point, however, it's not credible to suggest that an 18 year old is in any way analogous to a 27 year old international who has won the Champions League and appeared in a World Cup Final.

The often repeated phrase that 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' is in one sense true, but it's also incomplete and therefore misleading. Pogba's talent is not really in question, but it's important for both the player and the club that he is allowed to develop as naturally as possible. Different aspects of a footballers game develop at different rates and it is possible to damage a players development and therefore the expression of that talent on the pitch by overlooking the mental and physical aspects of the game.

I can certainly understand the eagerness to see an obviously talented player appearing in first team games. The appealing logic of that position appears to be that it will accelerate the development process and therefore benefit the team. But it's important to recognize the inherently selfish nature of that position.

On the one hand, there is the desire to see that player in the first team. And on the other, there is a focus on how that player can benefit the team. Conspicuous by its absence is an emphasis on what is most beneficial for the player, specifically.

That is why I believe that any discussion about whether a young player is ready to be integrated in to the first team should always start from a position of whether it would be in the best interests of that players long term development.
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Agree completely.

Behind CB the physical development of a central midfielder is absolutely key in comparison to other outfield positions.
 
Pexbo said:
Watching that Video above, I'm hoping that becomes an icon image. Scholes off, Pogba on. He's a very different player to Scholes but as has been said before, we never directly replace players, only adapt the team. Ronaldo filled the void Beckham left, not as a carbon copy but by the different qualities he offered. Pogba has the height for the Premier League, the long shot our team is missing (shoooooooooot feck off gibson.) the technical play and the positional sense (at least at his level). I'd love to see Sneijder here as much as anayone (even WR8) but if we gave a start to Pogba. Morrison or Cleverley because there is space in the squad I'd be equally happy if not more happy.
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Watching him last season for the youth team, I actually thought he reminded me of Scholes quite a bit. And I'm not just saying that. His passing and awareness of players around him has got an uncanny resemblence to Scholes. I'd rate him as one of the slickest passers in our midfield now, he can literally spray that ball around in the middle all day, inside and outside of his foot. It's great to watch.

With regards to Pogba v Morrison being discussed above, I can see why Pogba was brought up first. I rate Morrison as the, let's say, more 'exciting' of the two, but that is more down to his style. Pogba is different but equally talented. He edges it right now because he has a lot more maturity to his game/decision making, his style will slot straight in with how we play and, most importantly, Morrison has issues. I previously thought we should give Morrison a chance because he is that good, but when I think about it realistically, it just isn't an option right now. He's a disaster waiting to happen if we thrust him into the limelight and this just wouldn't be good for him or the club. He'll get his chance once he's sorted himself out.
 
Raven Blade said:
Hope Morrison has a consistent year for the reserves and a few first team opportunities as well. Then it won't be too long before he's officially promoted as well.
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that's the best thing we can hope for ravel. impressed for the reserves and he is set to feature for the first team.
 
I've said this in the reserves forum, but I watched him in the flesh the other day against Llanelli and he was absolutely fantastic. Everyone around me was talking amongst themselves about him, asking who he was and what was the story. Looks the real deal. Fingers crossed innit.
 
It would be pretty naive from Pogba's part to think that Sneijder could be a threat to his career. At this point in time, Pogba's main threat would come from the 'could do the job' players like Gibson who may take from him precious first team playing time. In 4 yrs time when Pogba would be competing for a first team place I'm sure that he'll see the likes of Cleverley and Anderson (who would be, by that time at their prime) as the main competition and not Sneijder. The Dutch man has all the potential to become for the likes of Pogba, Cleverley and Morrison what Keane was for Scholes and Rio was for the Da Silva twins ie an on the field leader capable of covering their arse when they do wrong and teach them how things should be done.
 
If we don't sign someone to give a young player, with the talent to make it, more chances then great, I'm all for it. But if we do the same with largely the same names and the likes of Gibson who are just there for the numbers then it would be a tad disappointing. The midfield needs new sparks, whether that comes from within or outside.
 
I'm sure that when Fergie says he will be given a go in the first team, it will be based on the occasional Carling cup game and on the bench in an easy CL Group game at OT. Still will be a good experience for him, and is a big step up from what he has been used to.
 
Some of you guys are thickly. He said the same about Cleverley last year and shipped him on loan. Pogba isn't ready for the 1st team yet. Only expected 3 league appearances if that.

He is not the answer to us not signing a new centre midfielder..
 
Any of you got MUTV online? Would love to see Pogba's goal v Fleetwood in better quality than Camera on TV that's on youtube. I'll tell you how to rip it and stuff.
 
The kids might also get minuites when the game is seen as well won.
15-2O mins at the end of a home game withus being 2or3-0 up.
 
He won't play more than 10 games this season. He is an outstanding talent but he isn't ready to be thrust into the first team yet.
 
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