Paul Pogba

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MDFC Manager said:
No, he really isnt.
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ok he isnt yaya toure but repeating myself again......many others got there chance at 18. many of whom....da silva's, de gea, wellbeck and even ronaldo and nani where all scrawny little things.

what ive seen of him he looks technically very assured. he's not 9 stone ringing wet.

all im simply saying is naming on the bench would do no harm. lets forget about giving him 20 minutes. just involve him by naming him on the bench. he hasnt even made that yet. so i can unstand him asking "i was told i was going to be involved abit. i think im doing well. we are short in my poistion and im not even making the bench. before i sign a 5 year deal i wanna see how things progress"
 
Hectic said:
"Players are never simply thrown into first-team action," he asserted. "They always follow this step-by-step process.

"I don't think we've ever been off the mark and given a boy his chance too early. That can be very damaging. If he's not up to the standards we require at United, then we don't venture there. The last thing we'd want is to humiliate a player. I'm not saying every player I've ever given a debut to has gone on to be a fantastic player at this club, but most of them have at least forged successful careers."
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@ Ben Foster [/thread end]
 
I was talking in terms of top flight football. Phil Jones is a big strong lad, Pogba isnt.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I was talking in terms of top flight football. Phil Jones is a big strong lad, Pogba isnt.
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So you reckon you could take'm in an arm-wrestle then?

I'd reckon he'd knock yer bollox out tbh - over the top shiiiiiiit!

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"Players are never simply thrown into first-team action," he asserted. "They always follow this step-by-step process.

"I don't think we've ever been off the mark and given a boy his chance too early. That can be very damaging. If he's not up to the standards we require at United, then we don't venture there. The last thing we'd want is to humiliate a player. I'm not saying every player I've ever given a debut to has gone on to be a fantastic player at this club, but most of them have at least forged successful careers."

ill repeat again. i am not questioning fergie. if fergie is saying he isnt ready then he isnt ready.

what i am saying is that if paul pogba is saying "i am not signing a new deal until im involved a bit more" then i thinkwe would be better off risking "damaging" and "humilliating" him by giving him a bit of time here and there when the game is over.

lets say we humilate and damage him.........we'd be loosing him if we didnt anyway.

would you rather:-

a.) rush him a long and be suprised that he's ready and he fulfills hs potential as a top notch midfielder.

b.) maintain he's not ready (perhaps rightly so) and not play him for risk of dmaging his development. but due to not playing him he decides to go to man city where he get sthe odd run out to keep him happy. he picks up bits of experience, he learns every time he gets a run out and he goes onto be the top all action goal scoring midfielder we so desperatley need....only he is doing it for city


by giving him a run we cant loose. he is either the player we all hope he can be......or we dmagae his dveopment. but so what......if we didnt play him he was going anyway.

all im saying
 
ben_foster said:
"Players are never simply thrown into first-team action," he asserted. "They always follow this step-by-step process.

"I don't think we've ever been off the mark and given a boy his chance too early. That can be very damaging. If he's not up to the standards we require at United, then we don't venture there. The last thing we'd want is to humiliate a player. I'm not saying every player I've ever given a debut to has gone on to be a fantastic player at this club, but most of them have at least forged successful careers."

ill repeat again. i am not questioning fergie. if fergie is saying he isnt ready then he isnt ready.

what i am saying is that if paul pogba is saying "i am not signing a new deal until im involved a bit more" then i thinkwe would be better off risking "damaging" and "humilliating" him by giving him a bit of time here and there when the game is over.

lets say we humilate and damage him.........we'd be loosing him if we didnt anyway.

would you rather:-

a.) rush him a long and be suprised that he's ready and he fulfills hs potential as a top notch midfielder.

b.) maintain he's not ready (perhaps rightly so) and not play him for risk of dmaging his development. but due to not playing him he decides to go to man city where he get sthe odd run out to keep him happy. he picks up bits of experience, he learns every time he gets a run out and he goes onto be the top all action goal scoring midfielder we so desperatley need....only he is doing it for city


by giving him a run we cant loose. he is either the player we all hope he can be......or we dmagae his dveopment. but so what......if we didnt play him he was going anyway.

all im saying
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if fergie says he is not ready, then he's not ready

if pogba disagrees and indicates that he will move if he doesn't get a chance, then he hasn't got the attitude to succeed under fergie and he should move on
 
MDFC Manager said:
I was talking in terms of top flight football. Phil Jones is a big strong lad, Pogba isnt.
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was fabregas? There's loads of ways to argue and counter argue. We just gotta see how it pans out.
 
ben_foster said:
"Players are never simply thrown into first-team action," he asserted. "They always follow this step-by-step process.

"I don't think we've ever been off the mark and given a boy his chance too early. That can be very damaging. If he's not up to the standards we require at United, then we don't venture there. The last thing we'd want is to humiliate a player. I'm not saying every player I've ever given a debut to has gone on to be a fantastic player at this club, but most of them have at least forged successful careers."

ill repeat again. i am not questioning fergie. if fergie is saying he isnt ready then he isnt ready.

what i am saying is that if paul pogba is saying "i am not signing a new deal until im involved a bit more" then i thinkwe would be better off risking "damaging" and "humilliating" him by giving him a bit of time here and there when the game is over.

lets say we humilate and damage him.........we'd be loosing him if we didnt anyway.

would you rather:-

a.) rush him a long and be suprised that he's ready and he fulfills hs potential as a top notch midfielder.

b.) maintain he's not ready (perhaps rightly so) and not play him for risk of dmaging his development. but due to not playing him he decides to go to man city where he get sthe odd run out to keep him happy. he picks up bits of experience, he learns every time he gets a run out and he goes onto be the top all action goal scoring midfielder we so desperatley need....only he is doing it for city


by giving him a run we cant loose. he is either the player we all hope he can be......or we dmagae his dveopment. but so what......if we didnt play him he was going anyway.

all im saying
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Chances are these rumours are hugely overblown, though. He'll probably start today, play great, have an interview in a couple of months saying he thinks he's progressing well, is happy and he trusts the boss, and these rumours will be completely forgotten about.
 
Brwned said:
Chances are these rumours are hugely overblown, though. He'll probably start today, play great, have an interview in a couple of months saying he thinks he's progressing well, is happy and he trusts the boss, and these rumours will be completely forgotten about.
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yeah certainly hope so.
ive got high hopes for him and he's a rare commodity these days in that he looks like he can play 442, pass the ball, tackle, get up and down and score goals. very rare breed thes days as players, espppecially midfielders tend to become specialised.

i really think he could be excellant with carrick sitting allowing him to get on and do his stuff.
 
Striker10 said:
was fabregas? There's loads of ways to argue and counter argue. We just gotta see how it pans out.
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but then Fabregas wasnt just any kid. SAF gave Rafael, Ronaldo, Rooney, Welbeck, Macheda, Evans, Jones, Smalling chances. Rafael played a lot more than Fabio. All I'm saying is that SAF isn't afraid of giving youth chances if he feels they're ready. If he feels they're not, they won't.
 
Wan said:
but then Fabregas wasnt just any kid. SAF gave Rafael, Ronaldo, Rooney, Welbeck, Macheda, Evans, Jones, Smalling chances. Rafael played a lot more than Fabio. All I'm saying is that SAF isn't afraid of giving youth chances if he feels they're ready. If he feels they're not, they won't.
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Yeah but Fergie also said that for young players being throwin in - mid-field is harder to play than the wings or upfront, because you get found out alot easier in the middle of the park, its alot more unforgiving. He's right bout tha!
 
Striker10 said:
was fabregas? There's loads of ways to argue and counter argue. We just gotta see how it pans out.
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No he wasnt either. I'm not saying that Pogba isnt big/strong enough to play first team football, just pointing that his size shouldnt be a primary criterion for his selection.
 
MDFC Manager said:
No he wasnt either. I'm not saying that Pogba isnt big/strong enough to play first team football, just pointing that his size shouldnt be a primary criterion for his selection.
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Yh definitely it's not about size or power but more ability and maturity. Fabregas despite being small/young was clearly not only talented but was mature beyond his years as a footballer. I don't doubt Pogba's ability but players get that maturity at different ages. In the last game Pogba played in the cup he was decent but he took a bit of time to get settled, if he starts today it'll give us a better idea of where he is. Unfortunately we've not been in a position to put him on the bench in the league nor would we likely have been able to bring him on in most games as we've hardly been coasting. It makes the performances in europe even more frustrating, if we'd have gotten the points earlier, like we usually have in recent years, we could have afforded to play some of the reserves here and there.

At the end of the day we know Fergie is a manager who will give youth a chance if they show the quality, you only have to look at how Welbeck has kept Berba and Hernandez out of the team to see that. If Pogba wants more games then he has to take his chances, hopefully starting with today.
 
Partytown who is pretty much the only ITK with regards to United says that City are looking to increase Pogba's wages by 5 times.
 
KM said:
Partytown who is pretty much the only ITK with regards to United says that City are looking to increase Pogba's wages by 5 times.
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That is an amusing idea. What with the vast amount of first team appearances on offer to youngsters at Shitty.
 
We don't need 18 year old pre madonnas no matter how good he can be.

And I reckon he has definitely been tapped up by City/Viera

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What would be the point in City buying him? They are only going to buy top class proven players. They are not going to bring players through their youth system.

When exactly is his contract up? 2012 or 2013?
 
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What would be the point in City buying him? They are only going to buy top class proven players. They are not going to bring players through their youth system.

When exactly is his contract up? 2012 or 2013?
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Its 2013 from what Ive read and you're right about City, they are not interested in youth this term, they're buying to win.
 
Nick Coppack on Twitter said:
Just a snippet of the Pogba interview aired. Spoke of his great desire to make it into the United first-team.
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Just for balance like.
 
Needs popping back in the oven. He's not ready yet.

Decent enough on the ball but his politicking and movement have been lacking.
 
Has been average so far. Looks very raw and static. Still early times though, but he has looked restricted in his first team appearances.
 
I think we've seen so far tonight exactly why Fergie's using Pogba sparingly in the first team. Gibson's looked twice the player and we all know where Gibson sits in the midfield pecking order.

Extremely talented kid but raw as anything.
 
He has looked raw but experiences like this will help him reach his potential.
 
Pushed into the back 4 now. No surprise. Very ineffectual in midfield.
 
I think the 'Caf needed him to have a game like this for a bit of a reality check.
 
Agreed.

He's not been poor, he's just not been the saviour either. Played it very safe when he's had the ball.
 
Him and Morrisson are clearly a few years away from being proper first teamers, so if Fergie really is relying on them to solve the midfield problems we really are in the shits for a while to come.
 
cina said:
Him and Morrisson are clearly a few years away from being proper first teamers, so if Fergie really is relying on them to solve the midfield problems we really are in the shits for a while to come.
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You don't think this is a slight exaggeration?

Thought Morrison looked good again. Not far off being ready to get games in the league. Pogba's looked a bit reserved more than anything, he's not shown the same will to impose himself just yet.
 
Personally I thought he was put into CB because of Park's inability at RB, Valencia was wanted on the wing so Pogba with his height was moved to CB and Smalling to RB.
 
cina said:
Him and Morrisson are clearly a few years away from being proper first teamers, so if Fergie really is relying on them to solve the midfield problems we really are in the shits for a while to come.
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Sad but very true.
 
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