Not that I think there is anything to these rumours because frankly I don't but lack of quotes doesn't mean a story is always fabricated, especially when it comes to transfers.
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Not that I think there is anything to these rumours because frankly I don't but lack of quotes doesn't mean a story is always fabricated, especially when it comes to transfers.
You're making an awful eejit of yourself in this thread. They weren't brought on to ressurect anything. They were brought on because players went off injured and Fergie had to make a sub. I'm sure he always intended bringing them off the bench, just not quite so early.
As it turned out, Morrison did ok while Pogba struggled. Neither of them looked like they're anywhere near starting PL games - which you were demanding only yesterday. And now you think we should have started last night's game with more, less-talented kids of the same age? Christ.
We cant make judgements on players after one game. We would beat palace 9 out of 10 at home everytime...and yesterday was that 1 game. Why do we compare our own playrs..coming off the bench isnt easy midway through a half..just go to move on
I genuinely am shocked at the reaction from last night, particularly to Pogba. I thought people would be very happy with his performance last night and couldn't believe it when I read this thread after the match. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to him, but what did he do wrong?
I, and others sat around me, thought he played really well. I've recorded the game so I'm going to watch the second half again.
I, and others sat around me, thought he played really well. I've recorded the game so I'm going to watch the second half again.
There is no way on earth he is worth 5x his current wage. If he goes to City, Milan etc etc his situation will be no different to what it is now. He is nowhere near ready for the first team and last night showed that regardless of those around him.
There were a couple of occasions where he received the ball near opposition, and twisted and turned to create space for himself, before moving the ball on. I liked that. Won a lot of his headers too.
Thought Pogba looked a bit raw and young (which is fair enough) but didn't do too much wrong. He wasn't great by any means, but thought he settled into the game alright.
That said, Morrison definitely looked readier for the first team than Pogba.
That said, Morrison definitely looked readier for the first team than Pogba.
After last night I've been wondering if his lack of playing time in Central Midfield might have had something to do with his performance. It's clear form that he isn't ready yet, but he had been playing out on the wing a lot for the Reserves recently. Maybe the two things are unrelated but the fact that he came into a game where we were having a relatively though time keeping good possession already, maybe his lack of game time at CM recently didn't help him.
He actually came into a game were we were completely dominant in terms of possession. Just before he came on they flashed up a stat showing that we'd had 75% possession in the second half so far. Almost immediately after he replace Park in central midfield, Palace got back into the game and saw a lot more of the ball.
He wasn't awful, by any means but his passing was a bit sloppy and he didn't seem to have much of a clue about positioning. We lost our shape and the Palace players suddenly found it much easier to find space, after being pressed really hard in the opening period of the second half.
Fair point about him not having many minutes in central midfield so far this season. That can't have helped.
Good grief he was hardly going to be Jack Wilshire. Thought he played alright, got caught out of position a lot of times but the whole squad looked disfuctioned to be honest.
He's off to City anyway so who cares. Close thread.
This
Apart from a few twists & turns and the odd decent first touch & pass, he was shocking. He's a long way off the 1st team based on last night.
Agreed, the whole team looks lost at the moment. Out of ideas and confused by all the position changes.
Did OK ? What game were you watching ? Morrison was excellent - alongside Smalling and Gibson, one of the better performers for United. Morrison is ready to step up and should be starting to appear more regularly now. He has all the talent and confidence needed. I know there's another dimension to him which needs careful handling and there's nobody better to do that than Fergie, but purely from a football viewpoint he should be getting the experience now. Pogba is big and strong which is a plus for the EPL and one would like to see him on the bench and coming on in forthcoming EPL games too. Midfield crisis ? What crisis ?!
He did ok.
You can't be excellent when you lose at home to Crystal Palace.
Do you really think Pogba is ready to appear on our bench in Premier League matches regularly? He's big and strong? But he struggled against Palace. Morrison did ok and I know you probably have huge expectations...
You can't be excellent when you lose at home to Crystal Palace.
Do you really think Pogba is ready to appear on our bench in Premier League matches regularly? He's big and strong? But he struggled against Palace. Morrison did ok and I know you probably have huge expectations...
Sure is. Made his way onto my Caf Awards List for either worst of most clueless poster. Can't remember which way round it is but the other is Championo.
Safe as houses those choices!
Really? I suspect you'll change your mind watching it back.
Most are really happy with him and realise it was a decent performance for a young lad coming through.
However, the reaction may be unduly harsh given the way some posters have been saying he should be starting in the league and some have even criticised Fergie for not doing so. Also, he's apparently been kicking up a fuss about not getting games and making noises about leaving.
Those things combined have made the reaction harsher than it would normally be IMO.
He really wasn't. He did well but nothing more than that.
He was out best player in the 2nd half of ET due to his determination to make something happen. He was the only 1 that wanted the ball. But "excellent"? You're having a laugh mate.
Sorry can't agree. Overreacting ? To what? You're letting the result cloud your view on individual performances. It's not about what happened against Palace entirely either. You have to look at these things over a period. Morrison, in particular, has been performing well for some time now at youth and now reserve level with some seasoned observers reckoning he's the biggest talent to emerge at United since Giggs. United have a history of giving youth a chance and nobody is more aware of that than Fergie so let's hope that's put into practice in Morrison's case - sooner rather than later. Pogba may be slightly different but there's little dounbt he's a star in the making. Goodness it's not as if we are blessed with a surfeit of midfield resources right now and Fergie says he's not buying anyone in Jan - so give these guys a chance in the EPL too.
Not at all. For a youngster at 18 coming on for his first proper taste of senior football he did very well indeed. In case you didn't notice his movement and pace, speed off the mark, neat flicks and layoffs plus three shots on goal, plus, as you admit, always wanting to be involved were all excellent in my view. Very promising indeed.
In that case you should have said "he was excellent for an 18 year old lad making only his 2nd appearance." not simply "he was excellent" because he wasn't.
In response to that comment in bold, here were my thoughs from the correct thread.
The first was after the 90 mins.
The second was after 120mins.
We don't need 18 year old pre madonnas no matter how good he can be.
And I reckon he has definitely been tapped up by City/Viera
We don't need 18 year old pre madonnas no matter how good he can be.
And I reckon he has definitely been tapped up by City/Viera
I can't believe I never noticed that first time around.
Or maybe cause it was just not funny
So, basically, ben_foster was proven as wrong here, as he was when guarding our goal.
Pogba as good as Fletcher? Some don't appreciate how much harder it is to play well in senior football, compared to the reserves. It's a completeley different level of football. Take John O' Shea around for a kickabout with your friends, and I'm sure he'll do stuff you didn't knew existed with a ball.
Pogba as good as Fletcher? Some don't appreciate how much harder it is to play well in senior football, compared to the reserves. It's a completeley different level of football. Take John O' Shea around for a kickabout with your friends, and I'm sure he'll do stuff you didn't knew existed with a ball.
Pogba entered the field full of anticipation, excitement, testosterone at a time when the team did badly, and without our best players present. This is not the best conditions to perform for a young and inexperienced boy. Let us as experienced and understanding critics, let this fact influence our assessment of his participation in this game. I am sure we will see more of him later as he is a great talent, and probably has a great future if he is developed properly in a safe and understanding environment. The same goes for Morrison and Fryers IMO.
Don't be silly. That's not possible.
"It [the defeat] bothers me in the sense that the level of training we do was let down.
"For us it was Rafael's first game, Darron Gibson's first game, Mame Diouf's only played four games this season, Macheda only his third game. That's not enough football to play in the quarter-final of a League Cup I'm afraid. That caught us and I was surprised of the level of fitness of Crystal Palace against us.
"In terms of match play we were certainly short."
Asked about the players going out on loan he added: "It works well for all young players to get game time and that's what we are looking at for Macheda and Diouf, they need game time, there is no question about that. Every young players wants to play and we have to give them that opportunity." SAF
"For us it was Rafael's first game, Darron Gibson's first game, Mame Diouf's only played four games this season, Macheda only his third game. That's not enough football to play in the quarter-final of a League Cup I'm afraid. That caught us and I was surprised of the level of fitness of Crystal Palace against us.
"In terms of match play we were certainly short."
Asked about the players going out on loan he added: "It works well for all young players to get game time and that's what we are looking at for Macheda and Diouf, they need game time, there is no question about that. Every young players wants to play and we have to give them that opportunity." SAF
Whats the latest on his contract issue? I read many articles these suggesting various teams are ready to sign him if negotiations break down with us. I really hope he will sign an extension with us. He has a really bright future and he needs to understand Fergie is one of those people he needs to trust.
I don't understand many people here saying he was out of his depth against Palace.
In fact you could see he has lot of talent. He is very young and playing in central midfield with Gibson is not really easy. Seen enough potential to think he will be a great player.
He didnt exactly come in to a comfortable side that day. Him along with Morrison just needs games and I think both will be starters for us if they say.
Look at Cleverly he was no where near highly rated at 18 or even 20.
Imagine both of them at 21-22 if they progress correctly!!!!!
In fact you could see he has lot of talent. He is very young and playing in central midfield with Gibson is not really easy. Seen enough potential to think he will be a great player.
He didnt exactly come in to a comfortable side that day. Him along with Morrison just needs games and I think both will be starters for us if they say.
Look at Cleverly he was no where near highly rated at 18 or even 20.
Imagine both of them at 21-22 if they progress correctly!!!!!
The main thing With Pogba the other night was that he was up to the tasks physically. He was very commanding too, it might not have been apparent watching on tv but every time the opposition goalkeeper took a goal kick, Pogba signalled to his defenders to stay back because he was going to win it, which he did.
There was also an instance where I thought his reading of the game was superb. They were counter attacking and our centre back was running towards the man with the ball but not realising there was a player behind him which would have been a simple pass and a likely goal. Pogba saw it and quickly changed direction to cut off that channel for the pass. I think that's good centre midfield play.
He unleashed one of his shots too which looked very close from where I was sat. there was one shot right at the end and two long range passes that were a bit wayward, but just before being moved into centre back he was involved in a nice bit if play where he played two first touch passes. All in all I think his passing was nice and you could see how classy he could be. There were a few nice turns too that got him away from opposition players.
I definitely think people have been too harsh on Pogba here. I don't know if it's because they see it as a Pogba vs Morrison thing to who gets called up first, with Morrison being the one that has captured peoples attention a but more. I remember thinking Pogba did well against Aldershot too only to find pretty negative reviews on here. But, if I remember right, he was on the bench not long after for the first team.
There was also an instance where I thought his reading of the game was superb. They were counter attacking and our centre back was running towards the man with the ball but not realising there was a player behind him which would have been a simple pass and a likely goal. Pogba saw it and quickly changed direction to cut off that channel for the pass. I think that's good centre midfield play.
He unleashed one of his shots too which looked very close from where I was sat. there was one shot right at the end and two long range passes that were a bit wayward, but just before being moved into centre back he was involved in a nice bit if play where he played two first touch passes. All in all I think his passing was nice and you could see how classy he could be. There were a few nice turns too that got him away from opposition players.
I definitely think people have been too harsh on Pogba here. I don't know if it's because they see it as a Pogba vs Morrison thing to who gets called up first, with Morrison being the one that has captured peoples attention a but more. I remember thinking Pogba did well against Aldershot too only to find pretty negative reviews on here. But, if I remember right, he was on the bench not long after for the first team.
People were maybe expecting the kids to light the way but really it's the experience around us, as to why we got knocked out to palace but realistically if people are going to say he was better, or he is better..or he's not ready then that says more about then then the players they're judging.
Coming on as a sub is not easy, it's not for everyone certainly. These experiences can be good but it's like Sir Alex says because you have to trust him. He thinks about the long term and some judge a player on one game .....
Coming on as a sub is not easy, it's not for everyone certainly. These experiences can be good but it's like Sir Alex says because you have to trust him. He thinks about the long term and some judge a player on one game .....
Striker, was it you or Nistelrooy10 who wanted to throw out Carrick and play Pogba somewhere during the last season?
I think it was you.
I think it was you.
People reporting that he has rejected a 15k contract here.
If thats the case he can go. What has he done to earn more?
I thought pogba played OK against palace. He seemed to win a lot in the air, and put in some tackles. He wasn't exactly a creative force with his passing but that is understandable when coming into a game like that, that he didn't want to be too risky with his play.
It's unreasonable to expect every single young player to come for a debut looking like a messi or Fabregas - pogba did OK and I'm sure SAF would be pleased enough with his contribution.
It's unreasonable to expect every single young player to come for a debut looking like a messi or Fabregas - pogba did OK and I'm sure SAF would be pleased enough with his contribution.
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