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pocco said:
With regard to the first paragraph, I'm not sure you're right. It is going to be easier to give a youngster playing time in a three man central midield rather than a two. I think he'd definitely get chances at Arsenal and perhaps City too.
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Do you really see Mancini playing him ahead of what he has at CM? He has far too many option already and is in the market for De Rossi too. From what pogba showed when given first team games till now, he's not ready to start games for clubs like us city or arsenal as yet. Arsenal again have a very good set of CMs. But, with wenger there, he might sneak in a game or 2 but nothing significantly more substantial than what he gets with us. surely not worth a move as far as am concerned.

If its games he wants, clubs like City and arsenal shouldnt even be mentioned imo. If its a bigger paycheque, city is the place to be.
 
I think Coppack said sometime back that he talked with Pogba and he's looking towards breaking into the first team. Anything other than that is hearsay, not so?

How do we know that he turned it down? It'll mean nothing once he signs a new contract which I fully expect him to do. Not too long ago, he just won the FA Youth Cup and now he wants to feck off?

strange
 
R_Nick said:
Agents are sometimes to blame, for sure, but not always. I know of one young player on the books at a top PL team who was advised by his agent to take a move to play in Scotland to raise his profile but the kid thought he was too good for that and refused anything other than PL or Championship. Needless to say he's been offered neither and has been plying his trade on various loans, his contact is nearing its end and doesn't look like being replaced.

At the end of the day, some of these young lads just they are far better than they really are.
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Entirely agree. Its all too easy to say "Its the agents fault".

Ultimately the players are adults. They are incharge of their own decisions. They should take responsibility.
 
40 k per week ?Is that a joke?

Well at least good news is (if we assume its true), no other team in the world will offer him a contract.Well maybe Man City obviously.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Do you really see Mancini playing him ahead of what he has at CM? He has far too many option already and is in the market for De Rossi too. From what pogba showed when given first team games till now, he's not ready to start games for clubs like us city or arsenal as yet. Arsenal again have a very good set of CMs. But, with wenger there, he might sneak in a game or 2 but nothing significantly more substantial than what he gets with us. surely not worth a move as far as am concerned.

If its games he wants, clubs like City and arsenal shouldnt even be mentioned imo. If its a bigger paycheque, city is the place to be.
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No. But I do think he would break through earlier there than he would here. I think there would be sub appearances this season if he were at Arsenal, but I doubt he's going to feature at all for us anytime soon.
 
fecking agents. Does he, and his agent, honestly think he's worth 40k a week at this moment?
 
He did an interview before the palace game shown on count down to kick off where he was talking about wanting to break into the first team and looking forward to the future and was talking about how himself Tunnicliffe and Morrison compliment eachother and how much he enjoys playing with them and how much he enjoys playing for the biggest team in the world. Of course this could just be talk but he seems like a fairly genuine lad who is enjoying being with the club training with first team players and liking the challenge of breaking into the first team. I also dont think that Fergie would keep putting his name forward as the future of the club if he thought he might leave. It seems that these stories are based on Fergies comments at the start of the season about giving him chances in the first team or he could leave. Here's what he said in an interview with the French Football Federation website in October
"A possible loan to a Championship club was discussed early in the season, but Sir Alex said he did not want me to leave.

"That makes me want to prove he was right in trusting me. I am proud of what I’m doing. I'm getting closer to the first team and I hope to progress further this season."

Pogba admitted he had mixed feelings when he replaced Ryan Giggs at half-time at Leeds. "I was nervous but so happy to be among players like Carrick, Berbatov and Owen," he said. "It was a nice taste of the first team and made me want even more."

Pogba arrived at United from Le Havre in a much-discussed move in 2009 and was a key figure in the Under-18s' Youth Cup triumph in May.

"We lifted the cup in front of more than 25,000 fans – it was fabulous," he added. "I always dreamed of playing teams like Chelsea and Liverpool and now it's coming true.

"We continued a Mancunian tradition by winning that trophy for the 10th time. This proves I'm not in the north of England by accident!"
 
United midfielder rejects contract offer

Manchester United starlet Paul Pogba has reportedly rejected the offer of a new contract from the club.

According to The People, Pogba was offered £15,000-per-week to stay at Old Trafford, but is holding out for a salary around three times more than what is on the table.

Should the 18-year-old continue to stall over signing a new deal, he will be free to talk to other clubs about a potential summer move.

Several clubs have been linked with a swoop for the Frenchman, with Arsenal, Manchester City and AC Milan said to harbour ambitions of signing him.

Pogba has made three first-team appearances for United this term - all of these coming in the the Carling Cup - the latest of which was in the defeat to Crystal Palace.

However, despite the embarrassing result for United, Pogba impressed in the centre of midfield, while he has also been winning the praise of Paul Scholes.

"He is a big, strong player," the Old Trafford legend told manutd.com.

"His skill is brilliant, as are his physique and speed…he’s potentially a top-class player."

Manchester United starlet Paul Pogba reportedly rejects new deal | Give Me Football
 
He can feck right off if that's the case. Madness.

EDIT: of course it's hardly a reliable source, so probably not true.
 
The People.

The People.
 
Its obvious, to me atleast, that its those city bastards that are planting these rumours.
 
Sometime's I don't understand some players and agents when it come's to contract negotiations. When will they ever learn?

A good and healthy relationship is built on trust, loyalty and commitment. It doesn't matter if it's love, business or football, the foundations are the same.

I don't know if these reports are true or not but I hope for Pogba's sake it's just silly rumors, otherwise he's history. Do someone honestly think that Sir Alex will be hold to ransom because he's not giving a young talented player a pay rise above his size?
 
forevrared said:
I believe Welbeck got a pay raise to around 40-45k after his strong start this year.
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Welbeck is 21, has been out on loan twice, one of which saw him become a regular in a Premier League side. He's also made himself part of the National team setup.


Pogba is 18 and has played in two Carling Cup games and just over two months ago was promoted to the France u-19 team.


Perspective.
 
I find it very harsh to slate one of our own youngsters purely based on a rumour, to be honest. He's been a great professional so far in his career, and a interview not that long ago showed his determination to do well for the team. Until we hear something official, I'd rather not give this rumour any credit.

That being said, I feel that we should in no way give into any demands like this in general. Not only does it show somewhat of a weakness on our part, but it also gives out the wrong signal to the rest of the team. What stops other, promising youngsters in our reserves to do the same when they feel like they're on a wage they feel is too low. What if Morrison suddenly feels the urge to earn a few thousand extra each week, purely because he's seen that the club will bend over for a youngster?

If history have learned us one thing when it comes to youngsters, it is that they'll get a long-term contract as soon as we feel they are ready to step up to the first team. If they are able to show that they are commited and well up for the challenge, they will get rewarded with a salary-bump to their current contract. It's what happened with Hernandez aswell, even though he's older. He was unproven at this level, and was handed a fairly low wage for a United first-teamer. He had a great season and proved that we should continue to have faith in him, and deserved his wage-bump. The same thing will happen to Pogba if he's head is in the right place aswell.
 
First of all - we don't know why Pogba hasn't signed a contract yet. If it's a lack of opportunities - then it will probably be sorted. I am pretty sure Ferguson can persuade him that he will be given chances - but let's say for sake of argument that it's also about money.

What do you think we should offer him ? Let's say he has been offered £15k and he rejected it - how high do you think we should go - since you all have ridiculed my post ?

Let's say City offer him £30k - and Pogbas agent says - he'd rather stay here - but he deserves £25k

I would love to see how many of you in Uniteds situation who would say "feck off to City then" - and lose him over £10k extra pr week

Does he deserve it ? Probably not! But he is in a position where he can probably demand it - because we are afraid to lose him
 
lysglimt; I think the main issue with this might not be just in this single incident, but rather what would happen with our other youngsters if their agents would start to look for better deals elsewhere because they've seen us give into the demands of others. In addition to that; what sort of signals would it send out to our other, promising youngsters if we were willing to bump Pogba's salary to high heavens while they will be stuck at the lower numbers? Players like Morrison, Fryers, Lingard, Cole, Keane and probably a few others would be looking to improve their deals aswell, and it just seems to me that it might be a slippery slope.
 
I'd tell him to feck off to City tbh, if United have a structure in place for wages at different levels then I fully expect it wouldn't be broken for one player.
 
He deserves nothing at this point. £15k a week is already high enough. He's been hyped up beyond belief here, possibly due to the fact that we don't have any sort of midfield currently and people would like to believe he's the solution. At this point he isn't.

He hasn't started a game, he hasn't really impressed when he appeared from the bench. He has no right to have high demands and we shouldn't offer him a penny over that.
 
Decotron said:
Yea and he deserved it as well. Pogba in no way shape or form deserves the same.
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This. He hasn't played a full game in an United shirt! For all we know he might end up as good as Possebon, which is not very.
 
tbf this is all speculation. But Fergie himself has mentioned there is an issue because he has not signed.

in the end if a player does not want to play for us, he should leave.

But Fergie will get him to come around imo.

lets wait.
 
Burrow said:
To be fair, Possebon was a great talent before that tackle.
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Not sure about great. He had the potential to be a decent play but I'm not even sure he had enough talent to make it here, even before he was sidelined.
 
It's unbelievable that people are changing their opinions on a player based on hearsay, just let the situation play out and see what happens. SAF will deal with it accordingly if there is an issue.
 
Sarni said:
Not sure about great. He had the potential to be a decent play but I'm not even sure he had enough talent to make it here, even before he was sidelined.
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From what I remember, he seemed like a very talented youngster. We'll never know if he would've made it here though, but I think that he would've made a great career for himself even if it wasnt at United if not for that injury. Seemed to have a great mentality, and a real passion for the club.
 
Possebon had very favourable perceptions of his ability at the time because in the opening weeks of 08/09 we had Fletch, Carrick, Hargreaves and Anderson out for various reasons so we were playing O'Shea in the middle for some of the games, and you know the spastic reaction that elicits from some on here.
 
There's posters on here that have seen the £40k a week figure being mentioned that some idiot suggested and have assumed that's the figure the player is demanding. It wouldn't surprise me if 'The People' read this thread and made the same mistake and ran with the story.
 
Who could not get excited about a young Brazillian though? :drool: I just remember being impressed with him in those few games I watched him play, and was very disappointed when he had to be taken off the pitch vs Boro. He seemed like a very confident and tidy player, but I'm sure those who followed him more closely at the time can clear this up.

Anyways. As I was saying earlier, I think we should refrain from slating Pogba based on a God damn rumour. It's bad enough to deal with all of the Morrison-BS printed in the media, if we're not going to have to put up with this aswell. I'm sure the club is very aware of the situation and how to handle it the best way possible.
 
Well, it's nearly always like that with youngsters coming through though. Just see this thread. He was hyped to high heavens before he even made a first team appearance, and now he's getting slated by some idiots on here because he couldnt live up to their ridiculous standards.
 
If the rumors are true, This:

Big-Red said:
I'd tell him to feck off to City tbh, if United have a structure in place for wages at different levels then I fully expect it wouldn't be broken for one player.
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Gratitude, loyalty, integrity and continuity should be more important than the possibility of a maximum salary for him at this time.

If the rumors are not true, which they probably aren´t:

Pogba, Please forgive me for expressing my opinions in a hypothetical discussion on this topic. As I am sure you can easily find an employer who are willing to pay more than us, and that you are familiar with this fact it seems however as if we are in complete agreement on this issue.
 
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