Oh I'm sure he will give Pogba a game eventually, my point is that he won't just give him a start out of the blue, he'll see how he does in at least one, probably more sub appearances before he does that.
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Oh I'm sure he will give Pogba a game eventually, my point is that he won't just give him a start out of the blue, he'll see how he does in at least one, probably more sub appearances before he does that.
Probably, my problem with that though is that coming in as sub is always harder than starting a game (unless your name is Ole or Javier of course), and we can't tell too much by watching him play Aldershot with a randomly put together side of fringe players, reserves and players that need a game.
That's the reason I would like to see him start with a full strength side, because then we will see what the lad is made of, no excuses. Obviously his time will come when SAF decides it's right, and I'm not gonna tell him when that is, doesn't stop me being desperate to see Pogba given a chance though.
Yeah I get what you're saying, tbf though the aldershot team was a decent one. It certainly played better than the palace team. Having those put together teams do make it harder for the young players to progress I agree completely. I think we've utilised those games poorly in recent years. But giving an untested player his first taste of top flight football as a start is risky. It's better to bring him in to a strong team but let him come on when there's less pressure and he can just express himself, without having to worry to hard about the game. I'm sure if he's given a couple of twenty minute appearances here and there we'll really get a good understanding at how developed he is. Hopefully then if we beat city in the FA cup and get a weaker team we can start him and really see what he can do.
When you come on as a sub, it is definitely harder because you have quickly settle into your position. Plus you have little time to really make an impact if you are playing in midfield. Its not like a striker where you can score a goal and become a hero. So saying he did not do well or didn't really have an impact on the game itself is harsh. You can't fully judge him until you have seen him play the full 90 minutes or at least start and play past the hour mark.
I agree pretty much, but a pl game, when you're chasing the title is not the time to give a young player not only his first taste of first team football but his first start as well. It's just an unnecessary risk. Give him time off the bench to see how he copes first. It's not only about him impressing but also just seeing how they adapt to the physicality and increased speed at which you have to play. That's why the cup games are so important. For whatever reason Fergie didn't start him in either, maybe he didn't think he was ready to start, maybe he wanted to give other players more minutes. But he didn't start them and I can't see him starting a league game until he gets some time off the bench, which he's never even made yet. Hopefully we beat city and get a good tie in the fa cup where we can give him a start, or hopefully he gets some minutes in the up coming weeks and shows he up to scratch. If he does that then i'm sure he'll get more games.
United have a 1-year extension option in the current contract.
Manchester United transfer gossip: Paul Pogba urged to stay by Alex Ferguson - Transfer News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Manchester United transfer gossip: Paul Pogba urged to stay by Alex Ferguson - Transfer News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Unless the Mirror are fabricating yet more quotes, which they may well be, that pretty much confirms the rumour that he has been offered a contract and has yet to sign it. We've basically got a year to convince him to, shouldn't be too hard.
It's from the press conference this morning as far as I know. Just embargoed until now. Telegraph has the story as well Sir Alex Ferguson warns Paul Pogba not to let greed wreck his Manchester United - Telegraph
Good read. Sounds like Fergie really rates him and he says that we are negotiating with his agent.
It confirms that the bullshit merchants peddling ZOMG UNITED STARLET COULD SIGN FOR MILAN NEXT MONTH ON BOSMAN were full of shit.
His agent is Ballotelli's agent, so no doubt he'll be telling him what he could be expecting at City financially. 
People still wonder why Fergie is in bed with Mendes. Even with Ronaldo he rarely fecked us around and Nani hasn't really been that difficult in terms of negotiations.
Balotelli's agent is a notoriously hard bargainer.
Which means he's a notoriously money hungry cnut.
Which means he's a notoriously money hungry cnut.
Fergie will try and give Pogba some first team action to show that he is very much in the frame for the future. I would think it is unlikely though that he will put both Pogba and Morrison on the bench for the same match, so whilst all this contract business is on the go with Pogba, Morrison's progress might be held back a bit. How the latter reacts to that might be another issue.
For me, I'd give both a chance in the PL. Given that Fergie keeps on saying that he will not be buying anyone in Jan and with Fletcher out for the rest of the season and Anderson out for a prolonged period and anyway still to prove he's going to be the real deal, what is there to lose by trying out two highly talented youngsters whose respective styles actually compliment each other?
For me, I'd give both a chance in the PL. Given that Fergie keeps on saying that he will not be buying anyone in Jan and with Fletcher out for the rest of the season and Anderson out for a prolonged period and anyway still to prove he's going to be the real deal, what is there to lose by trying out two highly talented youngsters whose respective styles actually compliment each other?
The Premier League title, for a start.
I'm all up for giving them minutes, but this talk of us having nothing to lose by throwing them in given our injury crisis is a bit premature. They'll be blooded when they're ready, not before.
A few former Reds have thought they were too good for United, none of them have gone on to laud that position.
If he leaves, I dont think it'll be because he thinks he is too good for United.
I guess that confirms that all the Pogba to Italy chatter has some substance to it after all, eh? Hopefully he recognizes what a big club he's playing for and doesn't go chasing the green. He's got real potential and it'd be good if he realized it at United.
It seems like the same thing to me, if you think you're too good for the place in the team and wage structure that we'll hand you.
He's of course not saying he's too talented to play for a team as poor as United. My thought is that he sees himself as being too good a young prospect for our youth wage structure, or should be in the squad and playing regularly and earning appropriate money.
These days salary earnings seem to be the main way players judge their perceived merit, rather than wanting to win a place in the first team and letting the money follow.
I appreciate it's not exactly the same thing, I was condensing my thoughts for the sake of looking clever. Score!
Hope something will be worked out,hate to lose him could regret it,man i hate agents.
Nobody said he could sign on a Bosman next month. Just that he could start negotiating with other clubs as he entered the final year of his contract. Turns out they were 6 months out. Big deal. In essence, all the rumours have been proved correct. Which is disappointing.
Fergie has said that we've an option of extending the contract for one more year and I think we'll exercise that option.
Yup. This story did seem to have some truth to it, to be fair. I just didn't see the reason for such speculation on someone so unproven and relatively unknown. It could have been an ABU agenda but it was more likely that there was substance to the story, as has been proven.
Disappointing indeed. Fergie summed it up perfectly well (actually Sir Matt did) and this the only advice Pogba needs to heed:
We don't need Pogba. We've got Gibson.
Yet another fantastic contribution.
And Ibrahimovic's..His agent is Ballotelli's agent, so no doubt he'll be telling him what he could be expecting at City financially.
Its really interesting to find out how the players and SAF behave with each other during training/matches etc when such things are going on in the background.
Does't SAF try and explain him what he just said in the media?
Really curious how it works.
Are players more closer to their agents than the club?
Does't SAF try and explain him what he just said in the media?
Really curious how it works.
Are players more closer to their agents than the club?
Thanks
Great contribution to this thread.
Love when Fergie quotes Sir Matt.
Devilish in making a retarded comment shocker!
Thanks to you too. I hope Gibbo doesn't leave. I mean, we really running out of options now.
Is Tunnicliffe good btw? We can use him as the next don't worry we've got...
Feck Im once again falling into the trap of not taken the forum too seriously.
Would SAF's cared during the treble, that some French unknown 18 yr old midfielder would end up leaving the academy? I much doubt it. The problem here is that desperation had lead us in hyping the kids and guess what? They are starting to believe that the hype is in fact the truth.
Pogba is at least 2 years away from becoming EPL level. SAF may convince him to remain by playing him more (lets face it, he can't do much worse then the current CM is doing) but pointing his finger to him, last summer was a mistake.
Pogba is at least 2 years away from becoming EPL level. SAF may convince him to remain by playing him more (lets face it, he can't do much worse then the current CM is doing) but pointing his finger to him, last summer was a mistake.
Yes SAF would care in '99, that's the difference between SAF and everyone else he's already looking 4-5 years down the line.
He wouldn't like it but its not as if such thing would end up being reported or anything. In 5 yrs time the Fergie babes would have been in their prime and he wouldn't need to be held on ransom by some kid who wants more dosh.
Hyping Pogba was a mistake. He's a promising boy whose now demanding a man's wage.
He's not demanding anything, his agent is. Stop jumping to conclusions. What are you on about anyway in 2004 Fergie's babes weren't in their prime, having a top talent in the academy would have potentially saved us buying Veron too. Pogba deserves the hype anyway, he's a phenomenally gifted player and if you watched the reserves on Thursday's you'd have seen his interview and you would have seen how determined he is to make it here as a First Team player.
Fergie would always care. Part of the change is, I feel, that we wouldn't. Simply because less of us would be involved when it comes to the young lads, who haven't even done anything for the first team. 18 years ago you didn't have forum threads about young lads such as Beckham and Scholes, and the media would have been less interested about a story about some kid who may leave the club. Now they'll take anything about United.
Fans are always guilty about overestimating how good the young players of their clubs are. Looking at all the names that had 'a good chance' if not being 'dead certain' to make it here, well, few very did. I don't know if Pogba and Morrison are the same - I think they have the makings of the real deal. But expecting much from them any time soon is off target.
Fans are always guilty about overestimating how good the young players of their clubs are. Looking at all the names that had 'a good chance' if not being 'dead certain' to make it here, well, few very did. I don't know if Pogba and Morrison are the same - I think they have the makings of the real deal. But expecting much from them any time soon is off target.
Well, then you're much wrong. For instance, look at the lengths he went to to keep Jovan Kirovski around that time.
I'm sorry, but I'm not letting anyone off at that. You can't seperate it like that - he wants to make it here, but it's his agent who is making the demands. Bottom line is, it's the player. He may be giving his agent a lot of leeway in the negotiations, or he's just silly and being led by an agent, but the bottom line must rest with the player, always.
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