Paul Pogba

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Makki said:
Would you say that he was well advised in doing what he did, alienating millions and millions of fans all over the world before having to turn around and look sheepish before he got his new contract (which he would've got anyway)?
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He ended up with a new contract and a massive pay rise. Presumably which is what he was after. Barring a handful of people, the issue is forgotten.

Bad advice, you say?
 
Was it ever a wage issue? I thought he was going to be on a stupidly high wage regardless?
 
To be honest, incongruity between the interest of the agent and the player can occur but imo most of the time, it is the player making these calls. In the case of Carlos Tevez, it is palatable to say that it was his agent overstepping boundaries but I think more often than not, footballers are just greedy. It is really that simple.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
He ended up with a new contract and a massive pay rise. Presumably which is what he was after. Barring a handful of people, the issue is forgotten.

Bad advice, you say?
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Err.. The whole issue flared up when Fergie confirmed that Rooney wouldn't sign the contract extension that he was offered, and in the end he got a contract extension. We don't know how big the difference between the initial offer and the one he signed, if there even was any difference.

Yes, well done.
 
Makki said:
Err.. The whole issue flared up when Fergie confirmed that Rooney wouldn't sign the contract extension that he was offered, and in the end he got a contract extension. We don't know how big the difference between the initial offer and the one he signed, if there even was any difference.

Yes, well done.
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He wouldn't sign the extension he was offered. He DID sign the contract he was offered after he threatened to leave. There was clearly a major difference.
 
Makki said:
How do you know that the wage difference between the two offers was massive? I don't know and you can't know.
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He is widely reported to be the highest paid player at the club. I am not sure that was the case before the "incident."
 
Lance Uppercut said:
He is widely reported to be the highest paid player at the club. I am not sure that was the case before the "incident."
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If you are to believe figures in media he was already the highest earner at the club, or at least not far off (him and Rio were believed to be on about £100k-£120k each). One would expect him to get a pay rise in a normal extension anyway, so he would've been the highest paid player regardless even if he had signed the one that was offered first. We can't know, that's all I'm saying.
 
Makki said:
If you are to believe figures in media he was already the highest earner at the club, or at least not far off (him and Rio were believed to be on about £100k-£120k each). One would expect him to get a pay rise in a normal extension anyway, so he would've been the highest paid player regardless even if he had signed the one that was offered first. We can't know, that's all I'm saying.
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It was widely reported that he received a massive pay rise.

Sky Sports:

Speculation about how much Wayne Rooney is pocketing in his new deal with Manchester United is rife - with some reports claiming he will get a whopping £250,000 a week.

The amount varies across the British press yet the lowest figure is still an impressive £160,000 a week.

The fever of interest comes after the star striker performed a dramatic U-turn and signed a new contract with his club.

In any case, Rooney is expected to be getting around double what he was getting before.

In the next five years, it is thought he will make around £50m.
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Wayne Rooney May Be Paid Up To 250,000 Pounds A Week After Signing New Manchester United Contract | UK News | Sky News


The Mail

Rooney, who will celebrate his 25th birthday tomorrow with a party at his £4.5million home, apologised to fans for the ugly spat with Sir Alex, but made no excuses for his £200,000-a-week salary - double his previous pay.

The agent who negotiated it, Paul Stretford, will himself receive up to £10million for a deal finalised as child benefit was axed for many families and the coalition announced that 500,000 public-sector jobs would go.
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Wayne Rooney is staying! Manchester United star in U-turn | Mail Online


The Sun

WAYNE Rooney agreed to stay at Manchester United yesterday — after Old Trafford bosses made him the world's highest-paid player on £250,000-A-WEEK.

The striker, 25 tomorrow, signed a five-year mega-deal, despite earlier announcing he would quit the Premier League giants.
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Wayne Rooney on £250k a week | The Sun |News


The Telegraph

He's got his weekly wages up from £90,000 to £160,000 – all for the price of a few weeks abuse from Man Utd's fickle fans. Rooney knew that, with his contract running down, he could have bought himself out for £5m next summer. So what better time than now to make a public fuss?

Man Utd had no option but to offer him a new contract or watch their prize asset walk out of Old Trafford for a song. So he's offered the club a win-win. He gets more money. It gets a juicy transfer fee whenever he leaves.
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Wayne Rooney's new Manchester United pay deal highlights his silky skills - Telegraph


Maybe his advice wasn't that bad?
 
We KNOW he got a massive pay rise. Many of us also believe he was going to get a great deal anyway. Fergie did say so, and overall I see no reason to think it was ever going to be any different as it was always reported we were negotiating with him to make him our top earner with a pretty large gap.

The papers were always going to make it a simple issue of him getting the pay rise JUST because he caused some problems. Did it make us push the envelope just a little bit more? I don't know, no one outside the club knows. But it didn't make the big difference or anything like that.
 
SAF said the contract's on the table and if Wayne wants to sign it he can or something along those lines before the Bursaspor game, then Wayne released his statement, then we sorted it out. I wouldn't be suprised if Wayne did sign our original offer in the end and the papers overplayed it, we can only guess though but we do know the whole debacle can be placed squarely at the feet of Rooney's agent and Rooney's naivety.
 
Contract brinkmanship is nothing new. Rooney did it, Rio did it, and Keane did it.

However, a relative nobody trying to pull this shit is something new. If he genuinely is playing this game, I hope the club tell him to get fecked.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Contract brinkmanship is nothing new. Rooney did it, Rio did it, and Keane did it.

However, a relative nobody trying to pull this shit is something new. If he genuinely is playing this game, I hope the club tell him to get fecked.
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Well SAF just said he hopes Pogba signs the contract so I think you might just be overplaying the situation. He's got 18 months on his contract effectively and I'm sure he'll sign a new deal.
 
Makki said:
You're missing my point, which is that we can't possibly know if it was massive in comparison to the new deal he was already offered
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That wasn't your point at all. You said:

And Paul Stretford is employed by Rooney, doesn't always mean that he has his client's best interests in mind when giving advice, does it?
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ArmchairCritic said:
Well SAF just said he hopes Pogba signs the contract so I think you might just be overplaying the situation. He's got 18 months on his contract effectively and I'm sure he'll sign a new deal.
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He might well do. That is irrelevant to what I said.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
That wasn't your point at all. You said:
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So he advised his client to kick up a fuss and cause a public shitstorm towards him (lots of people in the game were publicly condemning his actions) to get a pay rise from either United or any other club that may or may not have been much bigger than what he had already been offered.
 
Makki said:
So he advised his client to kick up a fuss and cause a public shitstorm towards him (lots of people in the game were publicly condemning his actions) to get a pay rise from either United or any other club that may or may not have been much bigger than what he had already been offered.
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Yep. And it worked.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Yep. And it worked.
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We don't know it worked, because we don't know what was the original offer from United compared with what he ended up signing.

Once Rooney made his u-turn, the contract was done very quickly. I don't think we just broke down and gave him tons and tons of extra cash.
 
Amir said:
We don't know it worked, because we don't know what was the original offer from United compared with what he ended up signing.

Once Rooney made his u-turn, the contract was done very quickly. I don't think we just broke down and gave him tons and tons of extra cash.
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I absolutely do.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Did I say SAF doesn't make mistakes, you sir are special in every sense of the word.
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Anyway. In my opinion hyping the kid on the media was a mistake. Under such circumstances its only natural that his agent would try to exploit that to get more money out of him.

Sometimes I believe that football is getting too ruthless for SAF's taste. These foreign kids do not see United as some Manchester lad and are easier to lure out of OT then a young Scholes or Gaz.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Yep. And it worked.
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Yes it worked but ask yourself (or Rooney) if it was worth it. A few millions against a clean reputation was the reward. Off course last years saga is more or less forgotten but trust take's time to rebuild. The fact that we discus this again is a proof of that.

You can tell if a player is represented by a serious and respected agent by how much fuss he create when their is a negotiation. Mino Raiola is a good dealer if you only judge by some of his clients salary, Zlatan Ibrahimovic is his most famous case. But if you go by the comments from involved clubs you hear a different story. For a lot of players a salary is not their only income. Sponsor deals, long term commitment with partners and organizations is also a important part of their future. To be labeled greedy and selfish is not a good thing for the players personal brand, and to use bad advisors is a witness of bad judgement.

Paul Pogba have a long career in front of him. If he reach his full potential he will earn money enough to become a very healthy man. To start his first serious negotiation with high demands and using "dirty" tactics is a strange gamble by his agent, it can easily backfire. People remember and bad reputation follows you.

I understand if Rooney and Ibra take's advantage of their value as key players, both are proven stars and have the upper hand in the negotiation. Pogba has a long way to go before enter this status. That's way I think Rainola is doing his client a unwise favor. What works for Ibra doesn't necessarily works for other players with other circumstances. Sir Alex is a wise old man and he knows the game. His advise for Pogba was simple and their is a reason for that. If Pogba's agent is wise and use his common sense he advise his client the right move, if not I think this negotiation is over.
 
I would not be surprised if clubs like City et al have hinted to (blatantly told) his agent they would offer him xx wages per week. And if the player is expecting United to match a ridiculous "offer" without regular first team play, I can easily see the club not playing hardball. With Rooney and Rio, they were world class performers. If Pogba comes in and starts playing like Fabregas did in his early years, then the former will have a leg to stand on to get a ridiculous contract. Otherwise, I envision the club offering him a fair contract and the player (and/or agent) then decides.
 
togg said:
ferguson always says, all his players have to WANT to play for united in their heart..if they have other ambitions, namely money...then fine....feck off..
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They all eventually want to be paid handsomely, and if they do well for United they will be, that's fine. It's exactly what he said yesterday when quoting Sir Matt, saying money will come naturally if you play for United.

I don't now what we're offering Pogba, but I'm pretty sure he'll be dwarfing what I make a year within a couple of weeks. He shouldn't be focusing on that right not, it shouldn't be a consideration as long as he's treated well (rather than as royalty). It should be about the football, and if he loses his focus at 18, what hope is there for the future?
 
pocco said:
Well you're wrong then. Rooney said himself that he turned round to his agent and said that he didn't want to continue messing about, telling his agent to just get the contract signed.
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Because rooney is a paragon of virtue and a lie would never pass his lips?

Unless he is talking to his wife of course
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Contract brinkmanship is nothing new. Rooney did it, Rio did it, and Keane did it.

However, a relative nobody trying to pull this shit is something new. If he genuinely is playing this game, I hope the club tell him to get fecked.
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Couldn't agree more. He's a reserve, albeit a promising one, and nothing more.
 
There wasn't time in the Rooney saga to get a new contract drawn up, it's not just a case of tip-exing out the old wage figure and putting in a new one.
 
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