Reckon he is 95% off to somewhere else. He has been involved in the squad for the last 5 games and something must have happened the last couple of days for him not to. Tonight are the sort of games where he can play and aid his development but not even in the squad, pretty telling isn't it?
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I said 'supposed' attitude in a sense that I don't know for sure. But if he has, which it seems he does, then I don't think he'd still speak highly of United like he does. Kind of like when you break up with someone you are cool about it, but if they break up with you then there's ill-feeling. He seems sympathetic towards us and this is why I think he took the decision to leave. As I said yesteray, everything that was said by Morrison, Fergie and even Ferdinand in his tweet fits in with this.
Since I am of that opinion, this then leads me to ask 'why?' Have all youngsters, limited to those of Manchester United, suddenly become money grabbing cnuts? I find that hard to believe. It should not be hard to convince these boys to stay. People want to say that Pogba is money grabbing etc., but what if the club is trying to make cuts in what is being offered to this level of player? I'd say it is a possibility. We've seen the financial figures and the staff costs that are up, perhaps it has something to do with that. Who knows? It's all a guessing game at this moment in time, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm not surprised and pissed off about this whole situation.
Just because he wasn't on the team bus to the hotel doesn't mean he won't be in the squad tonight. All the rumours about him not being in the squad tonight are just that - rumours.
would be a damn shame if he left.
but what can you do if he is not wanting to stay
but what can you do if he is not wanting to stay
Thats the one thing you could never rule out with Utd. If ended up mysteriously starting nobody would be surprised with Fergie!
Pogba and Morrison being so talented was most of the reason I wasn't too disappointed we didn't sign a center midfielder in the summer, so this is just a fantastic situation.
To be fair, Craig Norwood only listed 15-16 players that got on the bus. That's 4 players short of the full squad anyway, so he could still be in there.
We'll certainly find out in a few hours. Can be sure Fergie will probably be grilled on that one and probably ask the journalist to piss off
It'll be hilarious if/when we decide not to bring in a midfielder once again in the summer.
Yep. Though I think Cleverley will start and Pogba will be on the bench.
I know. The other players in the squad may have travelled via other modes of transport.
Ok, fair enough, I see your point. You're worried that we can't offer these kids attractive contracts because of some sort of cost-cutting exercise?
Can't see any logic in that myself. If we're worried about our total wage bill one of the best ways to cut it would be to pad out our first team squad with kids like Pogba and Morrison on relatively low wages, thus avoiding signing an established CM with the massive wages that entails. The Arsenal approach. Losing them both in the same season means we're much more likely to need to sign a big name midfielder on 100k+/week. Which will hurt us, financially.
No, can't see that being the underlying reason here. I think each case needs to be taken on it's own merits.
I think it's highly likely that Fergie lost patience with Morrison. Everything points towards him being someone who wouldn't make the sacrifices needed to succeed at United, from Rio's tweets to the widespread rumours in the press about his shit attitude, to Fergie's comments about unreasonable demands (wants to play more games whilst still missing training sessions). The fact he hasn't (yet) bad-mouthed the club means nowt. Most of his "posse" seem to be United fans. He probably still is himself, despite fecking up his chance to establish himself at the club. Chances are he knows he's got nobody to blame but himself.
As for Pogba, he's got an agent desperately whoring him round the continent trying to sell him to the highest bidder. That rarely ends well.
Unless you come back home after a self imposed exile to your home land, apologise to the manager and get yourself fit again in a couple of weeks.
With regards to the second paragraph, I would have thought that to be the case too. Though, I'm not convinced at all that we intend on buying this central midfielder in the summer. I just don't understand why Pogba wanted to stay a few weeks ago, but now his mind has changed. If what you say is true and we offer a good wage, plus tell him that he will be involved more next season, then you'd think that'd convince him to stay. I suspect that one or both of them two things aren't happening.
The thing is aswell about Morrison, is that I don't think he's clever enough to create convincing lies and word things cleverly to throw people off the scent. So when he says something like 'I just needed to leave in order to get first team football and start my career', I'm inclinced to believe that is what happened. When it comes to Morrison I can accept that we may have been powerless to convince him as he seems like a headstrong character that values his own opinion most.
There's no way we should be losing Pogba though, especially when he wanted to stay.
feck him.
If he can't commit at his age is he feck going to commit when he's 22/26/30 whenever when his contract is up for renewal.
If he can't commit at his age is he feck going to commit when he's 22/26/30 whenever when his contract is up for renewal.
As per the Morrison situation, I don't really care if he left. If a player wants to go, then they can get to feck.
If he was as good as he thinks he is, he'd be getting a game, certainly over Rafael in CM.
If he was as good as he thinks he is, he'd be getting a game, certainly over Rafael in CM.
This is all so tiresome; you can't win anything with kids if those kids refuse to sign contracts.
Showing your age there. Teenagers opinions change completely on a daily basis, never mind over the space of a few weeks!
Seriously, though. I think you're reading too much into Fergie's comments about him wanting to stay. I'm sure Pogba is saying all the right things while he's still at the club. Words mean nothing without a signature though. If his agent is busting his balls behind the scenes to tee up a lucrative (for the agent) move then what Pogba says to Fergie means very little.
Like I said, I'd like to think he really is torn. The longer he puts off putting pen to paper the more likely he is to move somewhere else. It's quite possible that we offered him a decent wage and assurances he's in our plans for the future. That's not always enough. Not when agents stick their greasy oar in. At the end of the day, agents earn more money when players change clubs than they do when they stay put. Which is why players seem to change clubs so much more frequently than they used to. A problem that isn't unique to United.
It's a shit state of affairs but there's nothing the club can do about it. We've just got to hope that individual players really want to play for United and have the backbone to let their agent know that's the only option they want to consider. Antonio Valencia sacked his agent, he's so certain he doesn't want to move. Just a shame so few modern footballers are cut from the same cloth.
Its ok lads Adnan Januzaj signed professional terms yesterday
What significance do agents have by the way to the player and their affairs? I don't know too much about the impact of agents. I'd imagine if I had one and he stuck his oar in I'd tell him in no uncertain terms to get fecked. I'm sure Pogba is a smart lad and doesn't have to toe his agents line unless there are repercussions for him? I never get why agents have such significance. Can you not just tell them to feck off and get a new one?
Absolute disaster this.
I'll only be a little concerned if he isn't on the bench tonight. The only thing that's changed since Fergie indicated he'd be involved in some way today is that story about him going to Juve.
Same. But I have to admit, things look pretty ominous right now.
Isn't he 5?
Some of you guys need to chill out, it's worrying but nothing is set in stone at this moment at all. If we are trying to convince Pogba to stay then he surely has to be involved tonight.
what if he's not involved tonight?
Can someone summarize what's the latest on this kid - can't be bothered to read through pages of petty arguments
Dont know why, but just got a vision of Ferdinand using a Raleigh shopper to get to the ground
It would be slightly worrying but it also depends on the game situation and the fact he's still training in and around the First Team is more important to me. To me there is nothing suggesting Pogba wants to leave but unfortunately we live in times where players have too much faith in agents and where agents have too much power.
Monday Fergie says Rio is working hard to keep Pogba here.
Wednesday Fergie downgrades his likelihood to stay.
Today reports that he is not involved.
Nothing new really, we want to sign a new contract but the talks aren't really going anywhere.
SAF never said Rio is working hard to keep him here, Pogba could be unsure of anything, unsure of whether he belongs in the First Team etc.
Pogba not in squad. I thought he would be but he isn't.
He's off I reckon now then.
Rumours that he's been told he won't play until he signs.
Unless he's injured I suspect that's that for Pogba at United. There's no reason to not include him in this game, other than injury or the fact he's decided his career lies elsewhere. Especially considering it's a nothing game, we're all but through, he's been on the bench for much more important games.
He's off then I guess. 
Seriously gutted if both Pogba and Morrison go on to other clubs. I wasnt THAT bothered about Morrison since we still have Pogba, but if he's off aswell then it's a serious blow.That's undoubtedly based on nothing but speculation.
We don't know anything yet, but like Morrison, is he really worth gettinh upset over? He's unproven for feck sake, he could flop for all we know. Also, like Morrison, his agent seems a cancer.
Wouldn't read too much into it, he wasn't involved in the reserves earlier in the week which means he was definitely in consideration for today but clearly SAF wants as much experience around to avoid another collapse like we had against Basle. If Pogba was definitely off there's no way SAF would have said that 'it's possible' he will stay and again it's difficult to put that comment in context without hearing SAF saying it (being coy or not sounding confident), also Pogba wouldn't in my mind be around the First Team squad if he was off. It would be terrible to lose him and Morrison in such a short space of time.
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