Interesting bit about the renewal fees. That would the agent getting a compensation of the renewal of the contract, right? What is it calculated as a percentage of?
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I'm tempted to go on Twitter and abuse him but that would make me no better than the Scousers.
How is he so easily influenced? It's fecking retarded. Is he brainwashed or something? Someone needs to have a word in his ear and get him to change agents.
A percentage of any signing on fee and pogba's wages over the course of his contract.
Don't worry, he'll just pretend to be someone else, just like that time the Swedish reporter called him for a chat and he pretended to be someone else.
if that really is him he is really a top class cnut. What hes doing is basically shouting out to the whole world that Pogba is very interested in money and his second choice is playing time. I honestly cant understand why his client are with him, maybe they keep him in his fat place because his clients have huge egos and arent really afraid to speak (ibra, balo) so Pogba is too nice or genuinely greedy for money.
That CANNOT be a real twitter account. That's PR suicide for both Raiola and Pogba if true
So according to our own policy the player has to pay that out of his pay whereas in Italy they give it over and above?
If that's the case, then surely it's Pogba who loses out on some money rather than his agent
So? He has a mind of his own.
I think if it's down to Pogba he'll stay, the agent may claim otherwise but the drive for money is surely coming from his court.
Old enough to have a mind of his own
Nah if they're holding out for more money then Pogba clearly wants more to. If he was happy with the deal he'd have taken it by now. Agents may be scum but they're only capitalising on the greed of their clients anyway.
Bigger wages, bigger agents fee. I doubt pogba particularly wants to give 30% of his wages to his agent either.
Easily influenced though.
It sounds like he's willing to stay as long as another club don't come in with more money.
Which I suppose is a slight step down from actively looking for more money elsewhere but not really that much better.
Well feck it then. If he knows everything about the football world at 19 perhaps he should negotiate his own contract/move. Or not.
'We will see in the summer'. Don't like the sound of that. If it goes on till summer then there will only be one outcome.
Is this for real? He's not even attempting to hide it anymore. Christ.
Did we say that? We said old enough to have a mind of his own. We didn't say he knew everything about the football world did we? Silly Richio.
A few years ago after I had graduated I was looking for work and ended up doing door to door sales for a few weeks (in the middle of winter in Glasgow, no less). When I went into the office in the morning I felt like shit, that I couldnt really take another day of that crap and wondering what to do with my life. By the time I left the office I was feeling pumped up and raring to go - and it was because of the managers and their motivational tactics.
How is this relevant? Well, I dont consider myself that easily manipulated, but the fact is it was these guys jobs to motivate and manipulate us to ignore all the shit and just go out and sell. I can very easily imagine a teenage footballers agent being more than capable of swaying their thinking, getting into their head and similarly manipulating them to whatever ends they want.
There may be something to be said for the whole "footballers are stupid" stereotype, but when you are dealing with what is essentially a professional manipulator, it doesnt make you stupid if you go along with what they are saying, especially at that sort of age.
How is this relevant? Well, I dont consider myself that easily manipulated, but the fact is it was these guys jobs to motivate and manipulate us to ignore all the shit and just go out and sell. I can very easily imagine a teenage footballers agent being more than capable of swaying their thinking, getting into their head and similarly manipulating them to whatever ends they want.
There may be something to be said for the whole "footballers are stupid" stereotype, but when you are dealing with what is essentially a professional manipulator, it doesnt make you stupid if you go along with what they are saying, especially at that sort of age.
Actually got to go with Redrihio a bit here, the lad is 19, but more importantly he's also a footballer so we're not talking Mensa here.
We truly don't know the in's and out's of the situation though, we're all speculating but one thing that's well known is Raiola and agents are twats. Everything I am basing my feelings about this situation is off the back of Pogba's words and actions and the tidbits SAF gives us now and again.
Listening to his agent on Twitter I get the impression they want to stay at United and are just using Juventus' interest to up our offer. Like how players are mysteriously linked to us whenever they're contracts up for negotiation.
Agents are the sputum of the football toilet bowl
He's 19 and naive. We all were. Somebody with serious experience in football and contract renewals tells him he's worth more and has more chance of playing elsewhere. He's going to listen. We all would.
I wasn't.
C'mon guys, he's still a little kid.
This isn't Scholes/Giggs/Neville we're talking about here, he has no experience of life. If a big fat feck tells you that you are going to make more money than you ever dreamed of, of course his eyes are going to light up.
Then he goes for training with the squad & probably really enjoys himself & thinks its really great to stay with his mates.
Then he sits on the bench at OT, with 76K supporters all cheering for the United, and it must be amazing.
then he comes on for a cameo at the end of a game & really enjoys it.
Then a big fat feck says, money, money, money...
He needs to listen to Rio, Scholes, Giggs etc, but he also needs more game time...
I hope he sees sense & comes round...
This is ridicolous. Has an agent over been this open about contract negotiations before? Seems beyond unprofessional.If your agent says 'I can get you a contract at United with better wages,' then I think your average person will say yes, Pogba hasn't been brought all the way through our youth ranks a la Cleverley (we let his contract run into it's final 6 months but there were no issues after he had a chat with SAF) and Welbeck so it's natural he doesn't have as much as an affinity for the club as they do. However that's not to stay he doesn't want to stay here and become a great player here, Pogba won't be first or last player trying to squeeze everything out of his contact negotiations.
I know some of you are taken aback by a youth player doing this but this is where the game is headed unfortunately, agents have far too much power and they will exploit young talents. I do think the media have inflamed the situation slightly though.
I know some of you are taken aback by a youth player doing this but this is where the game is headed unfortunately, agents have far too much power and they will exploit young talents. I do think the media have inflamed the situation slightly though.
Post of the day. Spot on.
Doesn't mean we have to actually listen to their demands though.
That could just be how dumb he is.
It's all down the club and SAF, I trust their judgement.
Fair enough, but if it is about money then it's as much about the player as it is the agent.
As do I.
There is no way that account can be really his agent. He's practically told everybody what the situation is and it seems very unprofessional. Does he ever tweet about Ibra or Balotelli?
Agreed.
Good points. The flip side though is that clubs can draw a line. There are only so many clubs of our stature out there, that narrows down a players options if he is to think about leaving. He could take a step down sure but I reckon most wouldn't. So off that few left only a few of them will pay the most likely larger than average salaries to these players. Especially with FFP looming. And only some of these players will actually require that player. Sure some will take any young player they can but eventually players will realise they're chances will be limited at a club like that.
That's how I see things. I'd rather we take this stance and risk loosing him then give in. We can always find another player, maybe they won't be quite as good but there will be someone. If we stick to this policy we'll probably lose a few as well but we won't lose everyone. I would rather take that hit then give in to these demands. Because once you do that you set a precedent. Every other young player who we view as good from that point on will want to be treated the same. Subsequently players who are already in the first team will say they should be on higher given that they're already playing.
That's a big difference. Pogba isnt even playing. He might have loads of potential but he's obviously not made that transition yet between reserve level and first team level or he would have had games. Fergie will always give you a game of you're good enough. The times we have seen him he's looked average in two games and decent in another game that was over as a competition. He's a nobody. It's not the same as a Rooney or nani because they've proven themselves. It's not the same either as a jones who again has shown his potential at the top leve before joiningl.
If we give in to this guy then every other Pogba will want the same. And if we go down the line of always matching what others will pay then we're gonna be in trouble soon. Look at city and nasri. We let him go as we wouldn't match what they would pay him, looks a good decision at the moment. There will always be someone else.
Hmm I didn't really explain myself very well there.
It is about money of course, but this might all just be playing the game to get as big a contract as possible. My point being that it's how rooney got his way, irregardless of what their statures within the club are.
Unbelievable though if the tweets are real, yeah.
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