He's Serbian and even Vuc can't be arsed enough to wank over him. Sums it up. He's average and no better than the wingers we have.
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He's Serbian and even Vuc can't be arsed enough to wank over him. Sums it up. He's average and no better than the wingers we have.
It makes me laugh how fickle the muppet brigade is. If a player's not flavour of the month then he's not good enough, no exceptions.What's the deal though? Is he supposedly coming on a free?
Would you take Krasic on a free transfer?
No idea. This is all based on a talkcrap story so its probably not even true.
He's worth a punt on a free. But then so was Owen.
Why the feck would an established international that cost millions be swapped with some kid that's almost out of contract and will only cost Juve a nominal fee?
This is typical Talksport drivel. Come on.
This is typical Talksport drivel. Come on.
None of it makes sense, but then stranger things have happened.
most say his contract runs out in the summer...but read elsewhere he still has 18 months of his contract to run.
It's no wonder this thread has run and run. When you consider the supposed weakness in our midfield we simply imbue qualities onto a potential solution/saviour to the point where it creates a sense of euphoria every time the player makes an appearance. But when this "saviour" looks likley to leave the sense of despair shown by some is ridiculous.
I dont care if he leaves. We missed out on Zidane and we haven't done that bad.
I dont care if he leaves. We missed out on Zidane and we haven't done that bad.
A couple of posters have mentioned that, yes.
Edit: In response to Red Dreams.
Edit: In response to Red Dreams.
Not even posters, Ferguson himself has said in a press conference we have the option to extend it another 12 months.
If we want to keep him we will.
We cannot legally exercise that option in his contract because Pogba has a youth contract and so its not a enforceable option we can take up. That is why his agent is hawking him out to Italy's top clubs.
Maybe because the clubs of the 'established international' wants desperately to get rid of him..
So instead of selling him to another club for up to £10m that they could get, they will ship him out in exchange for a player they don't have to pay for anyway.
Makes sense.
Maybe its not a straight swap...
the story originated from italy so i suppose its source is either juventus or his agent or else simply the italian version of caught offside.
It could be Juventus using this story to tell everyone they want to get rid of krasic or the agent trying to put an out of favour player under the spotlight .
Juve have some top talents themselves, why would we want an oldish winger who's not playing well at all?
IMO, we have to look at Arsenal as to why giving in to this lad would be a bad idea.
Arsenal offer the younger prospects a lot of money. And as a result they often stay at the club. But the simple truth is no matter how good Pogba is rated, he might never progress in a way we hope.
Players like Denilson/Vela/Walcott/Ramsey/Fabregas/Bendtnar etc etc are all examples of youngsters on good wages at Arsenal. And look at them all now. Many are on bumper wages, out on loan and won't recoup anywhere near enough.
If we offered every youngster a class contract who'd shown promise in the last few years, we might still have Morrison and Pogba. But we'd also have Possebon, Macheda and Foster here on massive wages.
Arsenal offer the younger prospects a lot of money. And as a result they often stay at the club. But the simple truth is no matter how good Pogba is rated, he might never progress in a way we hope.
Players like Denilson/Vela/Walcott/Ramsey/Fabregas/Bendtnar etc etc are all examples of youngsters on good wages at Arsenal. And look at them all now. Many are on bumper wages, out on loan and won't recoup anywhere near enough.
If we offered every youngster a class contract who'd shown promise in the last few years, we might still have Morrison and Pogba. But we'd also have Possebon, Macheda and Foster here on massive wages.
I think that it's easy enough to add in the contract, if you're a squad player after 6 months, we'll bump up your contract. I dunno what the issue is. If we're talking purely money, if a player is doing well - he will deserve it. Very few things in life never mind football are certainties.
Very astute observations there Com and I agree with your last sentence. All the clamour for the club to move heaven and earth to keep Pogba is beyond me. Sure, he has talent and potential, but, from what I've seen, he's not going to shift Carrick or Scholes in a hurry, and once Anderson is back, he'll be further down the pecking order. This lad hasn't earned his salt yet and if he's not prepared to fight and then maintain his place in the team, then ta-ra and have a nice flight to Turin mate.
Exactly, I also believe its wrong to offer players high wages so young because it takes away from the extra work a lot of players do to try and break the first team. Had Welbeck or Cleverley been on mega bucks when they were that age would they still have had the same drive and passion to break the first team? (Probably a bad example those two but lets just say for the sake of arguement)
You cant keep everyone. Just look how Pique turned out and what he has achieved. At United you can receive a brilliant education training tutelage and gametime. Sure we need to pay the going rate like we have done for Rooney but lets get it straight we should not be held over a barrel. Some on here wanted Rooney after his contract dispute out but now want us to do everything to keep Pogba. Its insane.
I thought of something earlier.. Isn't this an indication that Pogba might not believe in his own ability that much? I mean, if he's so confident in his own ability he would know that he'd get a big contract as soon as he's established himself.. But is the fact that he's looking for a big pay-day this early a sign of him being unsure of whether he'll actually establish himself?
I wonder if he'd accept a contract with a salary of £20k (which is what we're believed to be offering) if we included an appearance bonus of £10k or something until he proves himself? That way he'd get the amount of money he wants, or at least closer to it, provided that he actually establishes himself in the team.
I wonder if he'd accept a contract with a salary of £20k (which is what we're believed to be offering) if we included an appearance bonus of £10k or something until he proves himself? That way he'd get the amount of money he wants, or at least closer to it, provided that he actually establishes himself in the team.
What we have done over the years is mostly sign players who really want to play for United.
If he doesn't want to, we will let him go instead of offering him more money so he stays.
If he doesn't want to, we will let him go instead of offering him more money so he stays.
Opposite. He knows he's good and doesn't want to waste more time in the reserves or going a week or two without playing. Hence why his agent said he'd go Italy to play only.
I think that given what the staff have been saying about Pogba and the fact that he is (was) a regular on the first team bench, his talent is more highly regarded than the likes of Possebon. It is truly a shame if we lose out on him and whether we would like to admit it or not, it reflects poorly on the club given our youth policy.
It is definitely an issue with money as it would be ridiculous to contend that you would get more opportunities at Juventus. We have a midfield leak which is temporarily corked by Scholes and from just a few games, Cleverley was hailed as the new messiah. If that does not show our state of affairs in the midfield department and how he could literally be a shoo in for a starting place next season, I don't know anything anymore.
And by the way, I don't think this situation is akin to that of Pique's. Pique was homegrown talent by Barcelona and he wanted to go back and we chose Evans instead. The only thing you can say about Pogba is that he does not have a harmony of interests with our club which is not a ridiculous idea to contend given that we basically offered him a wad of cash to lure him here.
It is definitely an issue with money as it would be ridiculous to contend that you would get more opportunities at Juventus. We have a midfield leak which is temporarily corked by Scholes and from just a few games, Cleverley was hailed as the new messiah. If that does not show our state of affairs in the midfield department and how he could literally be a shoo in for a starting place next season, I don't know anything anymore.
And by the way, I don't think this situation is akin to that of Pique's. Pique was homegrown talent by Barcelona and he wanted to go back and we chose Evans instead. The only thing you can say about Pogba is that he does not have a harmony of interests with our club which is not a ridiculous idea to contend given that we basically offered him a wad of cash to lure him here.
I remember we got into some sort of trouble with FIFA when Le Harve went to them to complain about the way United poached Pogba out of their club and in the end, we had to settle for a certain amount of compensation to shut their mouths up. Now it kinda sickens me that the player comes back to bite us for whatever reason i do not know other than probably just money. United has a salary scale for different tier of players to adhere to, and there is no reason to break it for Paul Pogba. Let him go if he isn't interested to stay and play for the club while he develops
give him the money and then freeze him out for 5 years. 
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Nice edit sonny Jim.
Nice edit sonny Jim.
Inside where?
So I take it the whole take it or leave Friday deadline day contract offer was just media driven bollocks then?
vuc will make you think he's a titan whereas he's an average/ok player
Didn't his agent quite specifically say that he'll go where the money is?
Can you imagine how much this kid will demand to get paid if he actually becomes a proper first team player? I don't mind money being a motivation, but this seems ridiculous.
One point to nte about him wanting playing time - well he has set himself up for a fall as if he doesn't perform straight away he will be pushed aside - you want the big bucks you better play like someone who can earn them.
Also the more we see of him the more we may not like him.
What I dont understand is this - if he was truly phenomenally talented ala Messi, Rooney ROnaldo, Cesc he would be playing in the first team no matter who the players are infront of him. The fact he is he needs to realise where is it best for him to develop.
Also the more we see of him the more we may not like him.
What I dont understand is this - if he was truly phenomenally talented ala Messi, Rooney ROnaldo, Cesc he would be playing in the first team no matter who the players are infront of him. The fact he is he needs to realise where is it best for him to develop.
Don't underestimate the power of a entourage. I'm sure the kid knows he's got talent all he needs is someone in his ear telling him how great he is and how United are holding him back by not playing. Then implying other clubs would pay him more and he'd be starting every game. After a while of that the guy would start to believe it and think he deserves better
Does anyone know if he was in the provisional/match day squad for the game today?
He was I believe
Tbh no one should really read in to him not being on the bench. We have players fit now and he's not done anything yet to justify a place on the benvh over other players. I don't think it's to do with his contract situation but simply that he's not better than our other options yet.
With Anderson being fit again and Cleverley back from another injury, well then I can't see Pogba getting a look in.
He has agreed to sign for Juventus by the sounds of it!
EDIT: Still not 100% if this is true, but here is one article.
EDIT: Still not 100% if this is true, but here is one article.
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