Are you implying that no other club is willing to pay more than we are offering? If that is the case then fair play to Pogba who is obviously chasing first team football and not money.
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Are you implying that no other club is willing to pay more than we are offering? If that is the case then fair play to Pogba who is obviously chasing first team football and not money.
A work colleague just said that if United had a player of the calibre of Ronaldo, Tevez or Sneijder at United he would've stayed, and that Juve have a better future than us.....how crazy is that?
No, I was taking you up on your "market value" comment about a whole load of different clubs offering the same wage (a higher wage than we're willing to offer at United)
As per my previous post, I'm constantly amazed in discussions like this to hear input from people who apparently know more about the complexities of the contract negotiations than any of the mainstream media.
You guys are wasted on here...
Our best youngsters leave, what a fecking mess.
Rooney's better than Tevez and Sneijder though. I feel for SAF, I remember seeing him shaking on the bench during the Barca game and I'd never seen that before, I genuinely feel that Barca defeat was pushing him on to bring through the likes of Pogba and Morrison but they've both turned around and slapped him in the face almost. Admittedly we signed Pogba in acrimonious circumstances but you'd think with the manager we have these young players would have a little bit more respect. Really not liking the face of modern football at all.
People are idiots. Some people genuinely don't see how players like Evans/Smalling and Welbeck will dominate the prem for years to come.
Its not totally crazy tbh, although I obviously disagree.
Fine, i'll expand on the obvious assumptions:
Scenario A - His agent is aware of clubs that are willing to pay more than United are offering to sign Pogba. He has been made aware of this and wants to leave for financial reasons. In this case the amount offered by the other club(s) is consequently his "market value" and I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
Scenario B - He is (supposedly) leaving for none-financial (football) reasons. Whether this is because he feels that another team will offer him more first team opportunities or whether he thinks they will develop his career better/quicker. Again if this is his opinion you can't really blame him for leaving.
The comments by Fergie back up that it isn't just total media bullshit.
There's so much hypocrisy in this place at times. Le Havre fans must be pissing themselves laughing at us.
We can only really pass judgement on it in a few years time, the fact is that we have let our best youngsters leave for years. It doesn't mean we are letting guaranteed United first team players leave and more often than not we don't regret it.
I can think of two players, Rossi and Pique, who we might "regret". Pique, who knows how he'd get on in the Prem with his lack of pace and Rossi, would he really have challenged for a first team place in the last 4 years? He may have been a good back up but we can't regret not "having a good backup", he wanted games.
I'm really sad about how it's turned out for these two, but I have no qualms with how the club have handled it, mostly because I have no idea as to how they've handled it. We don't know the in's and out's of basically any of this, all we know is that the club didn't want to chase them further, whether it's about their ability, attitude, playing time or financial situation, we don't know. But, I'd like to think that we aren't in the habit of losing potential on this level for no reason, and if it could have been made to work, it would have.
But, they both looked like outstanding future talents and I couldn't wait to see them playing for us, it's a shame how it's turned out like this. I wish they both had a bit more common sense, and a bigger eye on their futures.
But, they both looked like outstanding future talents and I couldn't wait to see them playing for us, it's a shame how it's turned out like this. I wish they both had a bit more common sense, and a bigger eye on their futures.
Surreal and unfathomable, this.
I can't understand the thinking of these young players. If I knew that my agent stood to make millions if I changed clubs, why on earth would I consider his advice to be concerned with what's best for my career? Ridiculous state of affairs.
I agree with all of this, except maybe the last sentence. Certainly Morrison was lacking in the common sense department, but it's a bit harder to tell with Pogba.
He may have been a bit too tough minded in the financial sense, but, as you say, we don't know the details.
As for his football future, United have an outstanding record with young players, but who knows how the cards may fall?
His agent has probably convinced him how he can be the new "Zidane" and star at juve, even though they arent anything near like they used to be.
i think we are reading to much into the agents role. Sure he was probably more than happy to offer him to evryone, but at the end of the day it was pogba that decided he wanted to play somewhere else. Had he told his agent he wanted to play for Manchester united there would have been nothing the agent could do
Neither do i and that is why i asked the question.
I mean't common sense in the sense that - be it reservations about money or playing time - both are immaterial when you are starting at a club like United, at 18. Neither of those things are concerns if you have the ability to play for this team. Common sense because when you are at United, as a teenager, you may have to sacrifice the initial wages or appearances compared to what other clubs will offer you, because they aren't United.
Has this been confirmed then? The way I look at it, we should have dealt with his contract the year before. Sir Alex said he changed agents, i'm assuming he had a different agent last season though I don't know. The club has dropped the ball. We've allowed an opportunist agent to feck us over and we have no one to blame but ourselves. End of story.
The academy/reserves have never had as much exposure as they get now. Is it any bleeping wonder, you get retards watching thinking i can make a mint on this kid?
I know what people say. The many ways people look at it. We dropped the ball IF it's true...and if we get 300k for him? The people in charge need to be told what complete fools they are. To save a little they will lose a lot. Fools.
The academy/reserves have never had as much exposure as they get now. Is it any bleeping wonder, you get retards watching thinking i can make a mint on this kid?
I know what people say. The many ways people look at it. We dropped the ball IF it's true...and if we get 300k for him? The people in charge need to be told what complete fools they are. To save a little they will lose a lot. Fools.
feck him.
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Really disappointing if this does get confirmed later. You'd think that being at a club of our stature and challenging for trophies consistently would be a huge draw to those in the youth/reserve set up, and it's disheartening to see how easily some heads can be turned by the words of an agent or an extra zero on a cheque.
It's one thing if you're leaving due to lack of first team football, but in this situation I can't see that he's guaranteed any more at Juventus. Whether it's due to financial restrictions or not, we're operating with a massive emphasis on bleeding younsters into the first team at the moment and Pogba was surely very close to breaking into this, in the same way we've seen Cleverley and Welbeck become regulars this season. His position is one we're lacking in and I don't think he would have had to wait too long to see some significant game time.
Very frustrating short-termism/greed on the part of Pogba and his agent. Can't help but feel frustrated when we see these young talents leaving.
It's one thing if you're leaving due to lack of first team football, but in this situation I can't see that he's guaranteed any more at Juventus. Whether it's due to financial restrictions or not, we're operating with a massive emphasis on bleeding younsters into the first team at the moment and Pogba was surely very close to breaking into this, in the same way we've seen Cleverley and Welbeck become regulars this season. His position is one we're lacking in and I don't think he would have had to wait too long to see some significant game time.
Very frustrating short-termism/greed on the part of Pogba and his agent. Can't help but feel frustrated when we see these young talents leaving.
What a shame this is but Im proud of the clubs stance. Some shocking reactionary posts in here tbf....
"You don’t need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you’re good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us."
- Matt Busby
"You don’t need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you’re good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us."
- Matt Busby
well - last year Juve were €95 million in the red - so to say the future is looking too bright for that club is slightly strange.
Add to that - according to some Juve-fans I know, only one key-player has a really high salary (by the standard in european football today) - the rest are roughly at £70k or lower. Probably what Pogba would have had after 2-3 seasons around our first team
Add to that - according to some Juve-fans I know, only one key-player has a really high salary (by the standard in european football today) - the rest are roughly at £70k or lower. Probably what Pogba would have had after 2-3 seasons around our first team
He doesn't want to be here? He can fecking do one. Plenty do.
Far better have left.
On your way son.
Far better have left.
On your way son.
he doesn't want to stay, feck him off then, his heart not with us, why keep an unhappy player.
Nail.On.Head.
Well I'm not sure the club share the same view
Let's not forget that at the beginning of the year SAF was asked if Pogba would be going out on loan, and he replied 'He's not ready'. It really made it sound like he was at the point where he'd spend a season training with the first team and then go out on loan, much like with Welbeck.
Juve want to take a gamble, we surely can't stop them paying over the odds.
Having SAF in charge of these decisions sure makes this forum a lot more boring, you can really question if he knows what he's doing. Because it's obvious he does.
Juve want to take a gamble, we surely can't stop them paying over the odds.
Having SAF in charge of these decisions sure makes this forum a lot more boring, you can really question if he knows what he's doing. Because it's obvious he does.
this thing is dissaopinting in so many ways.
first and foremost the prickof an agent.
second the club
third fergie/staff
finally and perhaps least so.....the lad.
i dont have to get into why the agent is a twat. he's buttering his own bread and feck everybody else.
had the club offered him the contract in the summer he'd more than lkeley have signed it.
fergie is involved in the above. he could have put his arm around him and said "i havent signed nasri, sniejder etc etc because i bleieve in you. here's £20k per week, we'll review it every 6 months"
instead we wait till a few months prior to his contract being up and we as rio and evra to have a word with him. for a foriegn 18 year old on his own abroad in at a huge club he could be forgiven for thinking they dont really rate me, especially when we would prefer to play phil jones and rafa da silva in centre midfield ahead of him.
that gives the agent all he needs. "fergie doesnt fancy you, he hasnt spoke to you, he's got one of his players to talk to you, he plays jones and da silva out of position ahead of you. they are same age and earning more" etc etc
this whole thing has come about because united handled it wrong. pogba got frustrated and then manipulated by a leach of an agent.
i really hope he goes onto be absolutley awsome and teach who ever it is (fergie or the directors) not to leave contracts to the last minute and assume that everybody thinks its a privelige to be at united
first and foremost the prickof an agent.
second the club
third fergie/staff
finally and perhaps least so.....the lad.
i dont have to get into why the agent is a twat. he's buttering his own bread and feck everybody else.
had the club offered him the contract in the summer he'd more than lkeley have signed it.
fergie is involved in the above. he could have put his arm around him and said "i havent signed nasri, sniejder etc etc because i bleieve in you. here's £20k per week, we'll review it every 6 months"
instead we wait till a few months prior to his contract being up and we as rio and evra to have a word with him. for a foriegn 18 year old on his own abroad in at a huge club he could be forgiven for thinking they dont really rate me, especially when we would prefer to play phil jones and rafa da silva in centre midfield ahead of him.
that gives the agent all he needs. "fergie doesnt fancy you, he hasnt spoke to you, he's got one of his players to talk to you, he plays jones and da silva out of position ahead of you. they are same age and earning more" etc etc
this whole thing has come about because united handled it wrong. pogba got frustrated and then manipulated by a leach of an agent.
i really hope he goes onto be absolutley awsome and teach who ever it is (fergie or the directors) not to leave contracts to the last minute and assume that everybody thinks its a privelige to be at united
Unfortunately if it is a straight choice between "big club A" and "big club B" and the only difference between these two (in the players' head) is the financial package on offer then it is just that: a difference.
We are worlds away from the Busby "You don’t need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you’re good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us." The reason is simple: if you are good enough at any top club the money will find you and you'll become rich, so this isn't a unique selling point. It is akin to saying to a normal person "if you work, you'll be paid at least minimum wage".
*I do understand it is difficult for us as United fans to not see our club as the brilliant institution it is, in favour of "just another big club". I'm merely stating how I'm sure the likes of Pogba see it.
He looks a special talent in the area of the pitch we are weakest. Thats all that matters to me and it'll be a really sore one if he does go to Juventus
Isnt this agent of his the one who're in charge of Balotelli aswell? Perhaps the fat bastard simply is tired of buying two seats on the plane everytime he's too see his clients in England? Hence why he's trying to get Mario back to Italy aswell. It's no wonder he's all about the money, that guy.
Absolute bollocks. You have no idea he hasn't spoken to him personally. Absolutely none.
You have evidence that Evra and Ferdinand have been talking to him...but why does that mean Fergie hasn't?
I hope he goes onto be an absolute failure. Signing up with that cnut of an agent. His best interests aren't at heart here...the singing on fee the leeching cnut will get as a result of Pogba's move very much is.
Fergie has a history and a track record in ensuring young talent get a chance. Look at Welbeck and Cleverley? We were banging on about them years ago. Fergie took his time with them and made sure they were ready.
He was doing the same wit Pogba. So don't give me 'awww poor lad got treated badly' nonsense. Phil Jones is a vastly better player than him in the centre of midfield...so why wouldn't he get in ahead of him???
He's had a greedy cnut of an agent in his ear...and he's stupid enough to believe him. Good. Carry on sir. Out the door and let a kid who really does want the shirt have it.
'The lad' indeed.
That's a bit naive. We talking about a 19 year old footballer here i.e. very young, impressionable and probably not the sharpest tool in the box - all perfect for a Svengali-type agent to manipulate a good deal for himself whilst convincing the player it's the best move for their career too.
He had enough good influences in and about him. The agent didn't help mind.
I get some people are angry but in spite of the uncertainty, the bullshit - I believe the club, the manager and coaches wanted him to sign the contract....People talk about money about not wanting the shirt but if the boy wanted games, then is he a bastard for wanting that? Are Juve idiots for offering that? I don't think so. His agent didn't have much to do. He can point out the return of Scholes. If we had another year, where the **** is it? Who's lying here? Is this story even true? We'll know soon enough or a version of events.
In addition I forgot, another card his agents holding. Sir Alex's future! He's talked about it a lot. If you're a kid, it adds to the uncertainty. It perhaps adds to the desperation to play - to impress...when a new manager comes in, he will have his own ideas. We should NEVER had left it so late.
In addition I forgot, another card his agents holding. Sir Alex's future! He's talked about it a lot. If you're a kid, it adds to the uncertainty. It perhaps adds to the desperation to play - to impress...when a new manager comes in, he will have his own ideas. We should NEVER had left it so late.
What happened to that set in stone year long contract extension that was seemingly one way?
I'd say that's a fair bet given that Fergie said we wanted him to stay a few weeks ago.
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