Paul Pogba

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:lol: Anyone that would pick Bale over Pogba needs to watch more football.
How? Bale is an excellent player, he has provided around 30-40 goals a season for two years in a row for Spurs and Real Madrid. Pogba is a good midfielder but the hype around him on here is over the top, you would think he is Messi, Iniesta and Vieira in one the way people talk about him.
 
Did he spend long enough with us to be considered HG?

Unfortunately no.

18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles.../Regulations/01/79/68/69/1796869_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Pogba was registered as a United player in October 2009 and the the league season had already started in August. That said, under exceptional circumstances, UEFA and Platini can always provide a little leeway if United chooses to wield its influence.
 
We could have had Zidane in 1995. Cantona wanted him here.

Not exactly in tears over it to be fair. Sentimental reasons wouldnt allow me to take any of our midfield from the mid-to-late-90s away for anyone.
 
Won't lie if we bring pogba back I will be absolutely over the moon. Make it happen woody!
 
How? Bale is an excellent player, he has provided around 30-40 goals a season for two years in a row for Spurs and Real Madrid. Pogba is a good midfielder but the hype around him on here is over the top, you would think he is Messi, Iniesta and Vieira in one the way people talk about him.

Bale is the sort of player who thrives off fast pace counter attacks and can quite easily go missing in slower games, whereas Pogba can dictate the game whatever the tempo or formation. I'd be over the moon with Bale don't get me wrong but we need to learn that stockpiling world class attackers doesn't work without the world class foundation behind it.
 
Bale is the sort of player who thrives off fast pace counter attacks and can quite easily go missing in slower games, whereas Pogba can dictate the game whatever the tempo or formation. I'd be over the moon with Bale don't get me wrong but we need to learn that stockpiling world class attackers doesn't work without the world class foundation behind it.
I'm with you here. I do think Bale is destined to play in our number 11 shirt, though. He will leave Madrid. Whether its this summer or 3 years from now, and when he does, I seriously cant see anything other than us signing him. He should be here now to be honest. I'm stunned we let him go to Spurs. Bale was touted as a future star when he was 17.

I do think a lot of attitudes will be changed regarding Van Gaal next year if we do bring in a bunch of quality signings (as Woodward is desperate to do, if last year is anything to go by). Its all well and good taking the dog shite we had last year and trying to get us back in the hunt for titles. Its another if we bring in the likes of Hummels, Pogba, Bale and Cavanim and he STILL cant get us playing. Then we'll probably have another Moyes situation, with the board. You dont invest all that money and not get results. No way is his past achievements going to hold up to a second season where he's dulling us through games and getting the worst out of our top players.
 
It's simple, either we spend a large amount on this guy and enjoy the rewards it brings or we sit back and let Chelsea/City do battle for him and then moan about how he is tearing this league apart.
 
Bale is the sort of player who thrives off fast pace counter attacks and can quite easily go missing in slower games, whereas Pogba can dictate the game whatever the tempo or formation. I'd be over the moon with Bale don't get me wrong but we need to learn that stockpiling world class attackers doesn't work without the world class foundation behind it.
Good point, I agree.
The thing with Pogba is, I think he works in every formation, every playing style, two, three, or even United-style one man midfield. IMO right now he would be more important for us than Bale.

But I suppose traumatic experiences regarding midfielders play a part in my opinion on this.
 
The caf's love-in for Pogba is embarrassing to say the least. I'm not even half convinced that we need him considering the fact that we have 3 players (Mata, Herrara, Di Maria) playing in the same position who are probably as good or even better than him. Our priorities should be defenders and strikers, not yet another midfielder. We have no problems controlling games this season, it is our leaky as feck defence and toothless strikeforce that are hindering us. Pogba would not solve any problems.
 
It's simple, either we spend a large amount on this guy and enjoy the rewards it brings or we sit back and let Chelsea/City do battle for him and then moan about how he is tearing this league apart.
Yep, it's a similar situation to Toure in my eyes. At that point we could not compete financially for a player that could have transformed our midfield. Now we have an opportunity with 1 of our previous "favourite sons", and he has given out the signals he would be interested.

Unless Fergie but's in and refuses then I think it would be an ideal transfer. They kept Vidal so they can sell us Pogba :drool:
 
The caf's love-in for Pogba is embarrassing to say the least. I'm not even half convinced that we need him considering the fact that we have 3 players (Mata, Herrara, Di Maria) playing in the same position who are probably as good or even better than him. Our priorities should be defenders and strikers, not yet another midfielder. We have no problems controlling games this season, it is our leaky as feck defence and toothless strikeforce that are hindering us. Pogba would not solve any problems.

Mata and Herrara are as good as Pogba in CM? Come on, it's not even close.

I agree that we need defenders but signing Pogba would be great.
 
The caf's love-in for Pogba is embarrassing to say the least. I'm not even half convinced that we need him considering the fact that we have 3 players (Mata, Herrara, Di Maria) playing in the same position who are probably as good or even better than him. Our priorities should be defenders and strikers, not yet another midfielder. We have no problems controlling games this season, it is our leaky as feck defence and toothless strikeforce that are hindering us. Pogba would not solve any problems.
Good lord! How is Herrera anywhere near Pogba? Let alone "probably as good or even better"? Mata and Di Maria at their very best, you might have a point, even though they're completely different players.
 
So we could line up next season with Bale Pogba and Di Maria in a 3......Dear lord, I'd probably put that down as our best ever balance wise.
 
Mata and Herrara are as good as Pogba in CM? Come on, it's not even close.

I agree that we need defenders but signing Pogba would be great.
Have you ever watched Pogba play in the Serie A or you just catch the occasional short clip of his fancy flicks and spectacular volleys? The pace of the game over there slow and the intensity is way lower than what it is at the PL, he gets afforded acres of space to strut his skills and they don't press him as often. Juve and Roma are by far and away the two best teams in the league and the rest of the competition are dogshite. Its no surprise why Juve gets showed up at the CL every single time they come up against a big team despite having a supposedly "world class" midfield.

Obviously he is a great talent and if given time, he will be a beast of player even in the PL but he would be just surplus to requirements right now. We have more urgent issues to address. Saying things like Mata and Herrara are not even close to Pogba is just seriously overrating him IMO.
 
Have i just seen someone say Ander Herrera and Juan Mata (good players in their own rights) are as "good or better" than Paul Pogba...
 
Have i just seen someone say Ander Herrera and Juan Mata (good players in their own rights) are as "good or better" than Paul Pogba...

Err Juan Mata at Chelsea ...their player of the year 2 seasons running I could say for his position he is/was every bit as good as Pogba and Herrera in Spain tipped by everyone and his dog to be a mainstay in the Spanish team for the next decade and one of the best midfielders outside Barca/Real. You talk like just because we play Di Maria as a striker and now he's no better than Downing then another class player is now miles better than him.......
 
Err Juan Mata at Chelsea ...their player of the year 2 seasons running I could say for his position he is/was every bit as good as Pogba and Herrera in Spain tipped by everyone and his dog to be a mainstay in the Spanish team for the next decade and one of the best midfielders outside Barca/Real. You talk like just because we play Di Maria as a striker and now he's no better than Downing then another class player is now miles better than him.......

Where have i said both were bad players? Juan won Chelsea's player of the year playing as a number 10, a position Pogba doesn't play. Herrrra is a good player but is he as good as Pogba? I am doubtful.
 
Where have i said both were bad players? Juan won Chelsea's player of the year playing as a number 10, a position Pogba doesn't play. Herrrra is a good player but is he as good as Pogba? I am doubtful.

Your suggesting someone who said they were as good were far off the mark! Why do you even bother talking about positions anymore have you seen the contempt LVG has for that logic. You should be asking yourself will Pogba be a good right wing back or dislodge RVP.
 
Good lord! How is Herrera anywhere near Pogba? Let alone "probably as good or even better"? Mata and Di Maria at their very best, you might have a point, even though they're completely different players.
Yes, the only PL midfielders Pogba should ever be compared with are Vieira and Keane and they should only be mentioned next to Pogba's name when you're trying to say that they are million times worse than him.

How the hell is it outrageous to say that Herrera could be about as good as him? He was instrumental in a side that finished 4th in La Liga last season and has generally impressed for a while. The way some of you talk about Pogba is frankly ridiculous.
 
Yes, the only PL midfielders Pogba should ever be compared with are Vieira and Keane and they should only be mentioned next to Pogba's name when you're trying to say that they are million times worse than him.

How the hell is it outrageous to say that Herrera could be about as good as him? He was instrumental in a side that finished 4th in La Liga last season and has generally impressed for a while. The way some of you talk about Pogba is frankly ridiculous.

In fairness the heart of Dortmunds relegation laden defence will be good enough to transform our defence into champions :)
 
Yes, the only PL midfielders Pogba should ever be compared with are Vieira and Keane and they should only be mentioned next to Pogba's name when you're trying to say that they are million times worse than him.

Except I agreed that he has a point on the other two, who are PL (attacking) midfielders, last time I checked. I love how you came to that conclusion just because I said Herrera isn't close to him though. As if that immediately puts Pogba on the level of all time greats.

How the hell is it outrageous to say that Herrera could be about as good as him? He was instrumental in a side that finished 4th in La Liga last season and has generally impressed for a while. The way some of you talk about Pogba is frankly ridiculous.

Because Pogba has been instrumental in a team that won the Serie A. And I disagree Herrera has generally impressed in a United shirt. He's had some nice moments but overall I see a player with potential but who has it all to prove, and who is ridiculously overrated here.
 
Because Pogba has been instrumental in a team that won the Serie A. And I disagree Herrera has generally impressed in a United shirt. He's had some nice moments but overall I see a player with potential but who has it all to prove, and who is ridiculously overrated here.

Herrera has barely played in United shirt, he's been frozen for the past two months and will probably not play much in the future either.

Herrera played for Athletic in a league that had Atletico, Real Madrid and Barcelona while Pogba played for Juventus in a league where their closest rivals were a distance behind them. It's a poor platform for comparison.

As I said, Pogba has huge potential and is already one of the best midfielder around. To talk about him as a €100m player is plain ridiculous though and laughing off a comparison to another young midfielder who's been largely impressive throughout his career is weird.
 
Except I agreed that he has a point on the other two, who are PL (attacking) midfielders, last time I checked. I love how you came to that conclusion just because I said Herrera isn't close to him though. As if that immediately puts Pogba on the level of all time greats.



Because Pogba has been instrumental in a team that won the Serie A. And I disagree Herrera has generally impressed in a United shirt. He's had some nice moments but overall I see a player with potential but who has it all to prove, and who is ridiculously overrated here.

Not being funny, but that isn't hard.
I think Pogba is currently better than Herrera though, and also probably better suited to the league, but I don't think he is way ahead.
Also I doubt Herrera is overrated here, he is definately a very good player.
 
Except I agreed that he has a point on the other two, who are PL (attacking) midfielders, last time I checked. I love how you came to that conclusion just because I said Herrera isn't close to him though. As if that immediately puts Pogba on the level of all time greats.



Because Pogba has been instrumental in a team that won the Serie A. And I disagree Herrera has generally impressed in a United shirt. He's had some nice moments but overall I see a player with potential but who has it all to prove, and who is ridiculously overrated here.

The only players LVG has got to impress in a United shirt is arguably Ashley Young & Blind at a push considering De Gea was already impressing......
 
The caf's love-in for Pogba is embarrassing to say the least. I'm not even half convinced that we need him considering the fact that we have 3 players (Mata, Herrara, Di Maria) playing in the same position who are probably as good or even better than him. Our priorities should be defenders and strikers, not yet another midfielder. We have no problems controlling games this season, it is our leaky as feck defence and toothless strikeforce that are hindering us. Pogba would not solve any problems.

Mata better than Pogba at CM?

Mata in CM would be an open invitation for teams to walk through us.
 
And Carrick and Rooney.

Not really Rooney. Carrick I'll give you but Rooney has been his usual hot and cold self. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good. Doesn't help hes playing out of position though I guess.
 
Not really Rooney. Carrick I'll give you but Rooney has been his usual hot and cold self. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good. Doesn't help hes playing out of position though I guess.

Totally disagree with you there, but this probably isn't the place to argue about it.
 
Herrera better than Pogba? haha, don't make me laugh. Herrera isn't close to Pogba.

If Pogba was spanish, I can guarantee you he would be in the national team, whilst Herrera doesn't even have 1 cap lol.
 
Herrera better than Pogba? haha, don't make me laugh. Herrera isn't close to Pogba.

If Pogba was spanish, I can guarantee you he would be in the national team, whilst Herrera doesn't even have 1 cap lol.

He was due to be called up before he got injured tbf. I think Pogba is better though.
 
Herrera better than Pogba? haha, don't make me laugh. Herrera isn't close to Pogba.

If Pogba was spanish, I can guarantee you he would be in the national team, whilst Herrera doesn't even have 1 cap lol.

How many Caps did Fabregas have at same age, Genuine question?
 
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