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he is the player we should do everything to sign, spend as much as it's necessary. These type of players are not available often, so we must take advantage of it.

Anyway, at least we will see in the summer if we can compete on the market for players everybody is targeting.
 
When he moved to Juventus he had no more likelyhood of getting in the team than at United. They had better options than we did. So its not that he wanted guaranteed first team football, he wanted to go to a club that wanted him and would play him if he worked hard to get into the team.

Forget Park and Rafael in CM in a couple of games, we were still playing Anderson in a bunch of games. If you were Pogba you'd expect to be playing instead of him too.
 
If we get Champions League, we might be in with a chance. He will cost us a ridiculous amount though, to think he was playing for us already is just crazy. Apparently we are the 2nd richest football club in the world, so financially we should be ok.
 
ottosec said:
he is the player we should do everything to sign, spend as much as it's necessary. These type of players are not available often, so we must take advantage of it.

Anyway, at least we will see in the summer if we can compete on the market for players everybody is targeting.
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I fully agree. But still incredibly annoying.

Fergie was really on the downhill slope those last few years, it's just that he started from so high above his competitors that we didn't really notice. He could still motivate a squad like no other but player recruitment and squad building really went to seed. So let's prepare to break the British transfer record for a guy we had on our books while we bid a fond farewell after 8 years to someone who has been utterly taking the piss.
 
This thread has been getting a lot of attention of late, and rightly so. I just can't speak highly enough about the guy. As someone said the other day, he has the physical attributes as Toure (he's technically brilliant too), Matic, Fellaini, etc, and the technical attributes as Kroos, Fabregas, Xavi. He really is that good. Obviously he's still young and still has room to grow, but I've honestly never seen a player as all rounded Pogba at such a young age. Like I said before, he would be my dream signing.

In my opinion, he'll be the most sough after player in the Summer, and I personally think we should go all out for him, even if that means paying 60M plus.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
This thread has been getting a lot of attention of late, and rightly so. I just can't speak highly enough about the guy. As someone said the other day, he has the physical attributes as Toure (he's technically brilliant too), Matic, Fellaini, etc, and the technical attributes as Kroos, Fabregas, Xavi. He really is that good. Obviously he's still young and still has room to grow, but I've honestly never seen a player as all rounded Pogba at such a young age. Like I said before, he would be my dream signing.

In my opinion, he'll be the most sough after player in the Summer, and I personally think we should go all out for him, even if that means paying 60M plus.
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From what I've seen (probably not enough), I'd say his main weakness might be his tactical discipline. Which is pretty normal for someone at that age, and pretty easy to teach if the kid is willing. He doesn't even need that much progress on that part of his game, just a bit more awareness and some basic reflexes when his team doesn't have the ball.

I'd also point out that while he's not absolute world class in every single game he plays (very few are in CM at that age, if any), even his weaker games are very strong and would be good enough for the highest level. He's an absolute gem of a player who doesn't even need that much more polishing.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
From what I've seen (probably not enough), I'd say his main weakness might be his tactical discipline. Which is pretty normal for someone at that age, and pretty easy to teach if the kid is willing. He doesn't even need that much progress on that part of his game, just a bit more awareness and some basic reflexes when his team doesn't have the ball.

I'd also point out that while he's not absolute world class in every single game he plays (very few are in CM at that age, if any), even his weaker games are very strong and would be good enough for the highest level. He's an absolute gem of a player who doesn't even need that much more polishing.
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I think he needs to leave Juve next summer, he needs a better challenge than Seria A, think he could be the best CM in the world in a few years if he continues to progress, unless some other wonderkid emerges from now where.
From what I have seen of him, he plays very much within himself, I think a move of league would push him a bit further.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
From what I've seen (probably not enough), I'd say his main weakness might be his tactical discipline. Which is pretty normal for someone at that age, and pretty easy to teach if the kid is willing. He doesn't even need that much progress on that part of his game, just a bit more awareness and some basic reflexes when his team doesn't have the ball.

I'd also point out that while he's not absolute world class in every single game he plays (very few are in CM at that age, if any), even his weaker games are very strong and would be good enough for the highest level. He's an absolute gem of a player who doesn't even need that much more polishing.
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I think in a midfield 3 of Blind, Herrera/ADM and Pogba would be the business.
 
Cassidy said:
I think he needs to leave Juve next summer, he needs a better challenge than Seria A, think he could be the best CM in the world in a few years if he continues to progress, unless some other wonderkid emerges from now where.
From what I have seen of him, he plays very much within himself, I think a move of league would push him a bit further.
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ravi2 said:
I think in a midfield 3 of Blind, Herrera/ADM and Pogba would be the business.
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Agree with both messages.
 
This comment in the Daily Mail from someone on a Pogba article:

Pogba is good Reserve in the Premier League Not good enough to play in the Premier League Not good enough to start ahead of Rafael and Park Ji Sung in CM in the Premier League Moves to Italy. Suddenly, almost magically, a good player. Somehow, amazingly, starts every game Incredibly, he stands out ahead of others and dominates the Italian league Wow. It's almost as if the Premier League is an elite league and the Italian league is an utter SHTfest where people like Pirlo and Pogba are made to look world class f u k ng re ta r ds Pro-tip: If you took any decent looking 18 year old from any of Arsenal, United, Spurs and through them into Juventus' starting 11 they'd look like a God. If Pogba was at Man United, right now, he would be sitting on the bench or still playing in the reserves. There is absolutely no way he is anywhere near Fellaini, Carrick, Herrera, Blind Absolutely nowhere near it He might have overtaken Ando by now Might That's about it

:lol: :lol:
 
VanGaalEra said:
This comment in the Daily Mail from someone on a Pogba article:

Pogba is good Reserve in the Premier League Not good enough to play in the Premier League Not good enough to start ahead of Rafael and Park Ji Sung in CM in the Premier League Moves to Italy. Suddenly, almost magically, a good player. Somehow, amazingly, starts every game Incredibly, he stands out ahead of others and dominates the Italian league Wow. It's almost as if the Premier League is an elite league and the Italian league is an utter SHTfest where people like Pirlo and Pogba are made to look world class f u k ng re ta r ds Pro-tip: If you took any decent looking 18 year old from any of Arsenal, United, Spurs and through them into Juventus' starting 11 they'd look like a God. If Pogba was at Man United, right now, he would be sitting on the bench or still playing in the reserves. There is absolutely no way he is anywhere near Fellaini, Carrick, Herrera, Blind Absolutely nowhere near it He might have overtaken Ando by now Might That's about it

:lol: :lol:
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Wow..

Still interesting point that if he had stayed here, would he even have progressed how he has now? I very much doubt that tbh.
 
Pirlo came out spouting shite that Pogba won't join us.. greasy Aragorn.
 
NoLogo said:
Unfortunately I think Pirlo is right, his next move will probably either be to PSG or Real for an insane fee.
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Just as long as its not to City or Chelsea, I'm cool.
 
Cassidy said:
Just as long as its not to City or Chelsea, I'm cool.
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Pretty sure he is dreaming of playing for Real like Zidane and if not there a move back to France might seem attractive for him as well.

I don't think he will go to Chelsea as they might not be able to pay a fee that will surely be between 80M-100M € and City might not be able to pay it with FFP. That being said it might also be a problem for PSG to pay that fee. Which essentially makes Real the only real possibility for a move in the near future.
 
With the latest additions to Real's midfield it's going to be harder for Pogba to go there in the future. Modric would be gone I'd assume, along with Khedira while James/Isco could be in the midfield or on the wings. Leaving the new signing Lucas Silva who's a young midfield enforcer and Illara who may not be there by then. I suppose he could just fit in, depending on where James/Isco play.
 
Cassidy said:
Wow..

Still interesting point that if he had stayed here, would he even have progressed how he has now? I very much doubt that tbh.
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Probably not, unfortunately. Our record on developing young players has been poor recently. And, instead of learning from Vidal and Marchisio in a settled side, he would have been thrown in alongside an ageing Carrick and the likes of TC23 and Ando.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Probably not, unfortunately. Our record on developing young players has been poor recently. And, instead of learning from Vidal and Marchisio in a settled side, he would have been thrown in alongside an ageing Carrick and the likes of TC23 and Ando.
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That's one way of looking at it. An alternative viewpoint would be that our young players have been poor recently. Pogba aside, it's not as though any other young players have gone to bigger and better things after leaving United.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Probably not, unfortunately. Our record on developing young players has been poor recently. And, instead of learning from Vidal and Marchisio in a settled side, he would have been thrown in alongside an ageing Carrick and the likes of TC23 and Ando.
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Well, there's the "sink or swim" aspect to the latter scenario. If he was good enough, he'd have taken that midfield by the scruff of the neck and made himself undroppable. Who knows? He might well have done that if given the chance.
 
Just like Ronaldo, I suspect he's happily using our interest to leverage a better deal elsewhere. Revisionism allows people to believe that he left solely due to Rafael and Park starting in midfield one cloudy afternoon, but the reality isn't quite so straightforward.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's one way of looking at it. An alternative viewpoint would be that our young players have been poor recently. Pogba aside, it's not as though any other young players have gone to bigger and better things after leaving United.
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Quite possibly and I certainly wouldn't argue there is a latent worldbeater in Cleverley, for example. But most of the younger players still at the club haven't kicked on for one reason or another, particularly the defenders. It may just be we seriously overpaid for some of them but, for a club that until very recently took the moral high ground on youth development, it's a poor return.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Quite possibly and I certainly wouldn't argue there is a latent worldbeater in Cleverley, for example. But most of the younger players still at the club haven't kicked on for one reason or another, particularly the defenders. It may just be we seriously overpaid for some of them but, for a club that until very recently took the moral high ground on youth development, it's a poor return.
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Our record of youth development is still miles better than all the CL contenders, despite the recent dip in recruitment of first XI regulars so we can occupy that moral highground regardless. It's a pity that the Cleverley/Welbeck/Evans generation might be a busted flush but I'm glad we stuck with them all as long as we did, even if they don't quite make the grade (don't include Smalling and Jones as players developed at United) Even historically, our strike rate in terms of first team regulars is low enough (bar the class of '93) but we're still churning out quality PL footballers, which is more than can be said for most other clubs in the league. Especially the top clubs. Be nice to hit gold again soon but I don't think it's any kind of indictment on our academy if that takes a few more years.
 
Moriarty said:
Well, there's the "sink or swim" aspect to the latter scenario. If he was good enough, he'd have taken that midfield by the scruff of the neck and made himself undroppable. Who knows? He might well have done that if given the chance.
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I wish we had bothered to find out! But, generally, I think it's way more beneficial to bring young players into a stable set up rather than a firefighting mission. The class of 92, exceptionally talented as they were, were surrounded by established quality like Schmeichel, Pallister, Irwin, Keane and Cantona. Pogba would have been thrown into a team with a dysfunctional defence (with, initially, a young keeper struggling to adapt), a very underpowered midfield and an attacking line up that was a shadow of its predecessor.
 
MoskvaRed said:
I wish we had bothered to find out! But, generally, I think it's way more beneficial to bring young players into a stable set up rather than a firefighting mission. The class of 92, exceptionally talented as they were, were surrounded by established quality like Schmeichel, Pallister, Irwin, Keane and Cantona. Pogba would have been thrown into a team with a dysfunctional defence (with, initially, a young keeper struggling to adapt), a very underpowered midfield and an attacking line up that was a shadow of its predecessor.
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A player the calibre of Pogba, he would have been more a fix to our "underpowered midfield" rather than hindered by it. Fair point about the class of 92 but Ronaldo got thrown into a team with Djemba Djemba and Kleberson in it. Took a couple of seasons before that team managed to gel and become great - Ronaldo being key.

Pogba would have been key, no doot aboot it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Our record of youth development is still miles better than all the CL contenders, despite the recent dip in recruitment of first XI regulars so we can occupy that moral highground regardless. It's a pity that the Cleverley/Welbeck/Evans generation might be a busted flush but I'm glad we stuck with them all as long as we did, even if they don't quite make the grade (don't include Smalling and Jones as players developed at United) Even historically, our strike rate in terms of first team regulars is low enough (bar the class of '93) but we're still churning out quality PL footballers, which is more than can be said for most other clubs in the league. Especially the top clubs. Be nice to hit gold again soon but I don't think it's any kind of indictment on our academy if that takes a few more years.
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I was thinking in more general terms of young players we either brought through the ranks or bought at an early age - so including Jones and everyone's favourite Brazilian midfield maestro. Given the amount of money invested, it's a poor return by any objective standard. But let's hope Wilson makes it and Januszaj keeps on track. As to how we compare with other clubs in terms of strictly homegrown players, I agree we are better than average, certainly compared to Chelsea or City, but I doubt it will ever be more than a source of transfer income plus the occasional diamond. In a business without borders where you are the richest club in the richest league, it's hard to see how we might see a repeat of the mid-50s or the mid-90s.
 
Spark said:
A player the calibre of Pogba, he would have been more a fix to our "underpowered midfield" rather than hindered by it. Fair point about the class of 92 but Ronaldo got thrown into a team with Djemba Djemba and Kleberson in it. Took a couple of seasons before that team managed to gel and become great - Ronaldo being key.

Pogba would have been key, no doot aboot it.
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We'll never know...Much as I love Ronaldo, he only fully blossomed in 2006-2007 as part of a set of great players (I don't have to name them). While I have no doot about it either that Pogba would have been an improvement in 2011/2012, he would have been joining a team on the slide rather than on the up which was playing fairly awful football.
 
Don't think he will be coming back, did not work out with him here, that happens sometimes, which is a shame. Would really like it if he had never left, or if he came back, but that ship has sailed.

Also Fergie...let him go...mistake...just what we needed...etc etc etc etc
 
have we done the Raiola saying he won't be going anywhere until the summer?
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Like someone said before, after expressing his love for United the other day, I really can't see him going to City.
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I really doubt Pogba's history with United and feelings toward them would impact on his decision to sign for City if we went in for him. Regardless, I can't see him joining us anyway, I think it's almost certain he'll end up at Madrid.
 
City will throw whatever they can at him. He's the perfect replacement for the big hole that will be left in their midfield as Yaya ages (even if they're not the same type of player).

That said, I don't think it will be enough, and he'll end up Real Madrid in the end.
 
We had our chance, then let go what most United fans could see, which was a world class talent in the wings. How anyone at the club close to Fergie asked him to play park and rafael over him was just madness and stank the joint out with sentimentality.

I love Fergie but I still grit my teeth to the point of canine combustion at how he was let go, I mean we bought his mum a house for fecks sake, watered and fed him to show pony status then opened up his stable and allowed him to gallop to Turin for sweet FA. All Fergie needed to do was spend one hour trawling the Pogba thread to see and read how good this kid was and is, ah well it's not as if I'm bitter or anything :mad:
 
BobbyManc said:
I really doubt Pogba's history with United and feelings toward them would impact on his decision to sign for City if we went in for him. Regardless, I can't see him joining us anyway, I think it's almost certain he'll end up at Madrid.
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Think that is a given. Real have been looking to get rid of a few in the middle of the park and bring in some younger players. Be interesting if they build a team around him, or just continue the buy good players and see what happens.
 
I don't know when I'll stop being annoyed about it. I followed him since the moment he joined and we all knew what an immense talent he was. The way it panned out was absolutely infuriating.
 
BobbyManc said:
I really doubt Pogba's history with United and feelings toward them would impact on his decision to sign for City if we went in for him. Regardless, I can't see him joining us anyway, I think it's almost certain he'll end up at Madrid.
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I personally think it'd be a bit foolish to say you love a club, then move to their rivals a few months after, but who knows?

As for Madrid, well, they seem to get anyone they want. That said, Pogba seems like a sensible guy. If he moves to Madrid, he'll want to make sure he's a regular. I believe he would be, but it'd mean they'd (Madrid) have to offload Khedira, Illaramendi and possibly Modric.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I personally think it'd be a bit foolish to say you love a club, then move to their rivals a few months after, but who knows?

As for Madrid, well, they seem to get anyone they want. That said, Pogba seems like a sensible guy. If he moves to Madrid, he'll want to make sure he's a regular. I believe he would be, but it'd mean they'd (Madrid) have to offload Khedira, Illaramendi and possibly Modric.
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Khedira and Illaramendi will be enough. They might well play all 3 of him, Modric and Kroos in the middle if they're willing to let Bale go in the summer.
 
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