Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers

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If only Mou had some dope to provide KDB years ago, Klopp must be doing similar with Salah as well
 
The tweeter's bio proves that he is a rag. Trying to deflect attention from his team's shortcomings by blaming the Godfather of football.
 
Javi said:
If there was really something to it why aren't opponents making claims like this? I personally don't think there is enough evidence out to make that claim. Man City certainely aren't breaking records in distance covered.

Those three tests that City failed acc. to BBC were them missing out on informing the FA on this or that. They didn't find them to have tested positive.
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They also don't need to "run far" as they box teams in so well, they run shorter but more intense shuttle runs to shut the space down, rather than long lung bursting runs. This doesn't show up well in distance stats but is way more effective in football.
 
Treble said:
Are there Barca, Bayern, City players who have been tested positive? Can't remember.

There are huge money and financial interests in football. City's rivals would to everything they could to prove that something is wrong.
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How would you prove something like this though without a proper investigation from officials? Something that wouldn't just be done on other clubs saying so.
 
roonster09 said:
I don't know how serious the tests are but doping in Football is real and there are so many articles explaining this, including interviews from the players.
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I agree with your general notion there, but why exactly are you directing your implicated accusation only at City if it's more a general trend?
 
Well that would retrospectively settle the Messi vs Ronaldo debate in the saddest way.

Something to be said in our favour, with our injury problems every single season, we must be fairly honest! ;)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Whereabouts protocol are there so athletes can't duck tests in order to get their doping cycles right. In athletics such breaches can lead to a competition ban. Football doesn't seem to care about it for some reason.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/sports/30312875

Thiago Alcantara also breached the rules three times whilst Pep was at Bayern.
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Yep. It’s actually a REALLY big deal but don’t get why it’s not made in football.

Look at the UFC or biking for instance, if USADA shows up at your door and you aren’t there/they don’t know your where abouts/can’t get in touch with you, guess what? Suspension. No iffs or buts.
 
Decomposing In Paris said:
Well that would retrospectively settle the Messi vs Ronaldo debate in the saddest way.

Something to be said in our favour, with our injury problems every single season, we must be fairly honest! ;)
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Given Bailly, Jones, Pogba etc.'s luck with injury - if we're doping we're using the wrong stuff. :lol:
 
Javi said:
I agree with your general notion there, but why exactly are you directing your implicated accusation only at City if it's more a general trend?
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I have said that in the post itself? There was always doping controversies around Pep when he was a player and when he was managing Barca with fuentes links and all.

There might be so many clubs who dope but it's easy to point out players/managers who have previous history with it.
 
100% believe that every top team in football uses some form of doping, just enough to keep them in the legal range.

Pep is clearly pushing his luck with it, it's no coincidence that he's gotten in trouble at all three managerial jobs he's had because of it.
 
There's definitely a cloud over those Barcelona/Spain sides and obviously Guardiola himself has tested positive twice.

I'd be really surprised if City/Bayern were not clean, though. Call me naive, but I just don't think they'd risk it.
 
roonster09 said:
I have said that in the post itself? There was always doping controversies around Pep when he was a player and when he was managing Barca with fuentes links and all.

There might be so many clubs who dope but it's easy to point out players/managers who have previous history with it.
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I think I understood your 2+2 post in that direction, sorry if that's not what you meant. Tbf previous links don't allow to conclude what is happening now. Also Pep is rotating players, but I remember Ancelotti at Madrid not rotating at all but playing the same players twice a week during their famous record breaking victory run. I have trouble seeing the merit on singling City out on that issue based on them breaking the whereabouts rule. What I as a layman gathered is that Doping is not something you can mask by missing one test but it actually takes month.
 
FCBarca said:
If only Mou had some dope to provide KDB years ago, Klopp must be doing similar with Salah as well
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Ish said:
Thread about pep. Hardly any person mentions Mou, comes in and brings Mou (& his transfer record seemingly) into it... smh
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Exactly. How this WUM still isn't banned is tragic. Duncan Castles looks like a sane top editor in the best ever paper compared to this FCBarca guy.
 
Should have 24/7 drug testing in football. During the season the drug testers should be notified of your whereabouts (if you've decided to jet off to another country) and allowed to turn up randomly to do blood and urine testing.
 
Javi said:
I think I understood your 2+2 post in that direction, sorry if that's not what you meant. Tbf previous links don't allow to conclude what is happening now. Also Pep is rotating players, but I remember Ancelotti at Madrid not rotating at all but playing the same players twice a week during their famous record breaking victory run. I have trouble seeing the merit on singling City out on that issue based on them breaking the whereabouts rule. What I as a layman gathered is that Doping is not something you can mask by missing one test but it actually takes month.
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Completely incorrect. The BALCO scandal exposed athletes that had successfully masked doping tests their entire career whilst being tested at the Olympic level.

Marion Jones was the highest profile athlete of this type. One of the most successful drugs cheats ever but never failed a test.

City could have found players to be testing positive in their internal tests and failed to let testers know when they could be tested to avoid being caught, as a simple example.
 
roonster09 said:
Exactly. How this WUM still isn't banned is tragic. Duncan Castles looks like a sane top editor in the best ever paper compared to this FCBarca guy.
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He’s not a bad football poster, unless something automatically concerns his team, Pep, Mou or Messi/Cristiano :lol:

Then he cannot help himself, really.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Completely incorrect. The BALCO scandal exposed athletes that had successfully masked doping tests their entire career whilst being tested at the Olympic level.

Marion Jones was the highest profile athlete of this type. One of the most successful drugs cheats ever but never failed a test.

City could have found players to be testing positive in their internal tests and failed to let testers know when they could be tested to avoid being caught, as a simple example.
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Happy to stand corrected, but these people were masking their use of substance and if you can do that there is no point in missing a test.

Again being a complete layman here I understood the anti-doping development to be that anti-doping authorities are now in a better position to recognize masking substances so BALCO/Jones wouldn't be possible today. From there I concluded that masking isn't a viable option anymore, since you cannot fix it by missing a test and supplementing the masking substance for the next one. If that wasn't the case then I can see what City could have done.

Maybe I wasn't clear I think people should take the offence from City very serious indeed. I just didn't see what big thing they could possibly be doing with that and I took the rather mild sanction from the FA as further adding to that point.
 
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A lot of that thread is based on Guardiola's nandrolone positive in 2001 at Brescia. A spate of footballers all got done at the same time, most of them Dutch. Research carried out around 2000 showed that around a third of apparently legal supplements (protein powders primarily) in Holland were contaminated and generated positive nandrolone results. Interestingly, the highest proportion of contaminated supplements were in Holland and it was lower in other European countries.

That's not to ignore the problem of doping in football, but the nandrolone scandal is largely irrelevant from what I've read on the subject.
 
only if we could dope Kompany's calf and groin muscles now :smirk:
 
I'm sure if it was as widespread in Pep's teams then players who he's fallen out with, Ibra, Eto etc would be shouting this from the rooftops. Also aren't 2 players from each team randomly tested after each game?
 
Neuron said:
If this is true and there is enough evidence to make a compelling case, why aren't United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs doing something to stop it?

Either it's mostly myths, or everyone else does it too. So it doesn't really matter too much.
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I'd much sooner have nobody doing it than everybody
 
Weird how there wasn't much of this talk last season when we were 3rd/4th.
 
Ish said:
Thread about pep. Hardly any person mentions Mou, comes in and brings Mou (& his transfer record seemingly) into it... smh
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A thread about Pep doping himself & his players, a thread without any actual evidence yet permissible. If the premise were true, then wouldn't all the players he's ever coached or seen do well under him be implicated as well? If player A, say as in KDB, who was marginalized by one coach (Mou) somehow became invaluable years later under Pep it has be down to the doping?

Or is the premise that the player who was found innocent of doping somehow able to get his teams playing great football by doping all of them? I guess that means Bayern are a level below now because they no longer benefit from said doping?
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
What's with the source on this @JoaquinJoaquin? Is it just some random United fan?

Reads a bit like @Scholsey's twitter feed when he was banned from the Caf. Seems legit :lol:
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He is a United fan but articles and bits and pieces can be easily found..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Pep-Guardiolas-failed-drug-test-in-2001.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
https://thelongballtactic.wordpress...arcelona-and-the-lance-armstrong-doping-case/
https://thelongballtactic.wordpress...arcelona-and-the-lance-armstrong-doping-case/
And when he fell out with Bayern medical staff (as he couldn't employ his own).. https://sports.ndtv.com/football/pep-guardiola-clashes-with-bayern-munich-medical-staff-1484384

Problem is the lack of concrete evidence. This is most likely why clubs aren't pushing this further. I do think there is definitely a connection though. Some great examples have been used in this thread alone.
 
I personally think everybody uses performance enhancing substances, some just do it better and more effective than others. Pep seems to be that kind o guy who knows every percent he can get more out of his players is important
 
FCBarca said:
A thread about Pep doping himself & his players, a thread without any actual evidence yet permissible. If the premise were true, then wouldn't all the players he's ever coached or seen do well under him be implicated as well? If player A, say as in KDB, who was marginalized by one coach (Mou) somehow became invaluable years later under Pep it has be down to the doping?

Or is the premise that the player who was found innocent of doping somehow able to get his teams playing great football by doping all of them? I guess that means Bayern are a level below now because they no longer benefit from said doping?
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Whether or not the thread has any evidence or is factually untrue etc still has nothing to do with you taking a shot at Mou.
 
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