Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers

Desert Eagle said:
Fair enough that does look pretty standard and does not need peds. And even with Brady and Lebron i'm not saying it's a fact they both doped or had to dope to achieve those results. My larger point is looking at all the records in most sports being smashed, older atheletes prolonging their prime etc.it wouldn't surprise me in the slighest to hear about any top athelete being caught doping. Could just be me being a pessimistic cnut though
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I agree with your main point. There's so much money and prestige at stake that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it came out that doping was prevalent at the top level.

CassiusClaymore said:
Not to mention he's suddenly gone bald (known side effect of roids).

The evidence is mounting.
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I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but I'm pretty sure David Silva is bald because of his hair transplant.
 
I don't believe this Pep doping conspiracy for one simple reason.
Even if People wanted to dope,City would never allow it. They have too much on the line for a manager to insist he wants wired treatment for his players.
 
Doping will either be non-existent or endemic. I don't believe City have magically found a way to beat all the tests and gain an advantage that nobody else has.
 
SER19 said:
I have many reasons for not liking guardiola.

Doping isn't one of them, in fact I'm surprised at the conspiracy theorists. Firstly, doping in football is not as beneficial as individual sports, unless of course an entire team is doping. In this day and age with so many transfers, so many bitter departures of players and so on, I don't even see how it would be feasible. Within national teams possibly, but at elite club level, barring individual players doing it, I do not see how a systematic club approach would even work.
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it definitely is imo. Doping for recovery is what will be most beneficial. Imagine you have a slight strain etc and you can recover in 1/2 days to play again in 3 days time.
The barca team under pep pretty much played the exact same team for the entire season in all comps and they went deep in them all.

I may be wrong but to me it seems like aguero has been available these last 2 seasons way more than before.

The timings add up.

I have no doubt this is not a Pep only problem, I wouldnt be surprised if everyone was at it. Like cycling, the drugs in use are not classified as drugs at this time but i have no doubt in the next few years more will come out.
I think John terry said it in his book, he would go get injections to play literally having no idea what he was getting.
 
Adisa said:
I don't believe this Pep doping conspiracy for one simple reason.
Even if People wanted to dope,City would never allow it. They have too much on the line for a manager to insist he wants wired treatment for his players.
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As I said above, they aren't giving them substances which at this time are classified as illegal. Much like cycling a few years ago. With the money City have or any premier league club, they can stay ahead of the curve to make sure what they are giving players is not technically illegal at this time.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
People tend to have hair transplants because they are going bald.
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Yes but before you actually have a hair transplant, you first have to shave your head so the doctors can insert the new hair follicles onto the scalp.

If you look at David Silva, you can clearly see the marks on the front of his head where the new hair follicles have been inserted. The weird thing, however, is that his hair transplant was a while ago and he still hasn't let his hair grow longer yet.
 
Corey said:
Yes but before you actually have a hair transplant, you first have to shave your head so the doctors can insert the new hair follicles onto the scalp.

If you look at David Silva, you can clearly see the marks on the front of his head where the new hair follicles have been inserted. The weird thing, however, is that his hair transplant was a while ago and he still hasn't let his hair grow longer yet.
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The insinuation is that he has going bald because of doping though and thus needed a plant.

Of course it is said more in jest than anything else.
 
automaticflare said:
As I said above, they aren't giving them substances which at this time are classified as illegal. Much like cycling a few years ago. With the money City have or any premier league club, they can stay ahead of the curve to make sure what they are giving players is not technically illegal at this time.
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Maybe we should be getting some of that then if it's not illegal..
 
Corey said:
Yes but before you actually have a hair transplant, you first have to shave your head so the doctors can insert the new hair follicles onto the scalp.

If you look at David Silva, you can clearly see the marks on the front of his head where the new hair follicles have been inserted. The weird thing, however, is that his hair transplant was a while ago and he still hasn't let his hair grow longer yet.
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Hair follicle marks? Don’t be absurd they are quite clearly PED injection marks.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The insinuation is that he has going bald because of doping though and thus needed a plant.

Of course it is said more in jest than anything else.
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Fair enough. In this thread it's sometimes hard to tell if people are being serious or not.

For what it's worth, if Silva has been doping under Guardiola then that could've accelerated his balding, true. But his balding was probably natural since his hairline was already receding before Guardiola joined, as you can see from the following photo from the 2013/14 season:

http://e2.365dm.com/14/03/16-9/20/David_3106086.jpg?20140323125035
 
David Silva went full on Hulk Hogan wants the injections kicked in. Once you start taking drugs to gain hair is when you're burning the candle at both ends.
 
Why didn't Pep dope them up last year? And why did his doping fail when Bayern's physical condition deteriorated in spring in all 3 seasons?
 
automaticflare said:
it definitely is imo. Doping for recovery is what will be most beneficial. Imagine you have a slight strain etc and you can recover in 1/2 days to play again in 3 days time.
The barca team under pep pretty much played the exact same team for the entire season in all comps and they went deep in them all.

I may be wrong but to me it seems like aguero has been available these last 2 seasons way more than before.

The timings add up.

I have no doubt this is not a Pep only problem, I wouldnt be surprised if everyone was at it. Like cycling, the drugs in use are not classified as drugs at this time but i have no doubt in the next few years more will come out.
I think John terry said it in his book, he would go get injections to play literally having no idea what he was getting.
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You are. Aguero's injury problems were always exaggerated, it was only really Pellegrini's first season where he kept picking up small injuries that earned him the reputation for being injury prone.

Aguero's appearances in all competitions for City from 2011/12 onwards: 48, 40, 34, 42, 44, 45.

So, one more appearance in Pep's first season compared to his last one with Pellegrini.
 
berbatrick said:
Why didn't Pep dope them up last year? And why did his doping fail when Bayern's physical condition deteriorated in spring in all 3 seasons?
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Just speculating, but maybe it's because it would have been to obvious to do it right away. They didn't have all the new players that they have now either. You still need good footballers, doping alone won't help much.
 
Imagine if Rooney started doping now. Maybe he would go back closer to how he was when he was younger.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
People here see to think doping would turn you into Captain America.
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Yeah I contributed but stopped posting in the thread when I started reading some outlandish stuff.

From what I can gather Pep is at the very least not opposed to his players doing it but some seem to have a misguided opinion of what PED can do. seen people thinking it can turn a 6 month injury into a 6 week injury. Wtf you could use all the HGH and stem cells and that wouldn't be the case. Seen some suspecting it's why KDB is good this season without actually listing what PED substances actually has that kind of impact.

Plus many haven't even considered that PED is rampant enough that at least a few of our own players are bound to be on them as well.

Thread became far more Rawk-esque than the real RAWK
 
Keeps It tidy said:
People here see to think doping would turn you into Captain America.
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Vitor Belfort on TRT was the closest thing I've seen to a super hero.

Whatever else you believe, do not downplay the effects of doping. It can transform you physically.
 
Irish Jet said:
Vitor Belfort on TRT was the closest thing I've seen to a super hero.

Whatever else you believe, do not downplay the effects of doping. It can transform you physically.
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It's pretty easy to name how testosterone can greatly and directly impact the performance of professional fighters as it impacts strength, aggression, muscle mass and especially leverages during grapples. The very nature of the sport is dependent on physicality. Plus it was actually proven he used TRT. Do we even know if City's players are using testosterone replacement therapy or anything?
 
Ducklegs said:
Trembolone has quite a startling effect on your average human.
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Trenbolone you mean and it isn't a drug athletes in an endurance sport should use because of the ridiculous side effects. Bodybuilders use it for intense musclebuilding. Its benefits don't lineup with what you'd want in a PED for footballers
 
Kostur said:
To be fair it would all make sense, how Guardiola tried to sell his fairy dust to Redmond after the Saints match but the brave Englishman was stalwart to his values and refused to 'reach in his pocket'. Yesterday's anger towards Wiggle's manager looked like a roids-induced rage, all's missing was a dirty syringe in Poop's hand.
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:lol: This is amazing
 
Greck said:
Trenbolone you mean and it isn't a drug athletes in an endurance sport should use because of the ridiculous side effects. Bodybuilders use it for intense musclebuilding. Its benefits don't lineup with what you'd want in a PED for footballers
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Nandralone, meldonium, EPO are some drugs that help football players. Nandralone was was very popular with football players in the 1990s and early 2000s, it was the drug Pep tested positive for. The latter two drugs increase blood flow to the muscles and increase athletic capacity by improving stamina, decreasing recovery time and aiding faster recovery from injuries. Such drugs are especially potent in skill based sports with reasonably high endurance demands as when you tire your technique goes, meaning the player will retain their sharpness as the game goes into the deeper stages. It is worth noting that the highest proportion of goals are scored in the last stages of football matches, this is due to more mistakes happening because the players tire. All these drugs also make athletes feel physiologically stronger, as we all do when we are in peak physical shape and wide awake. Of course there will be many more drugs used but those are probably the three most known PEDS.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Nandralone, meldonium, EPO are some drugs that help football players. Nandralone was was very popular with football players in the 1990s and early 2000s, it was the drug Pep tested positive for. The latter two drugs increase blood flow to the muscles and increase athletic capacity by improving stamina, decreasing recovery time and aiding faster recovery from injuries. Such drugs are especially potent in skill based sports with reasonably high endurance demands as when you tire your technique goes, meaning the player will retain their sharpness as the game goes into the deeper stages. It is worth noting that the highest proportion of goals are scored in the last stages of football matches, this is due to more mistakes happening because the players tire. All these drugs also make athletes feel physiologically stronger, as we all do when we are in peak physical shape and wide awake. Of course there will be many more drugs used but those are probably the three most known PEDS.
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All true. Am also currently watching the Chelsea Barcelona game and thinking to myself there's absolutely no way Messi ends up this strong if he wasn't given HGH as a kid. Can't be a coincidence he ended up with unnatural strength. He'd be strong for a 6 footer talk less of someone his size
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Give it time.

We would know a lot more about Spanish sport if Fuentes's blood bags were identified. As it is, it looked like a concerted effort by the Spanish authorities to cover that up. There is proof of widespread doping in Spanish sport sat in a lab somewhere.

Many players have talked about being doped by clubs or teams, the key difference from what you are talking about is that those players were individuals that were cheating through their own agency.

Your point also falls down when you consider how few Olympic athletes are open about doping when so many fail tests.



You do know he tested positive for steroids in his playing days?
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Olympic athletes are mainly lone wolves. The suggestion here is 33 odd players over 3 teams in 3 different countries.
 
Mart1974 said:
Olympic athletes are mainly lone wolves. The suggestion here is 33 odd players over 3 teams in 3 different countries.
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They aren't lone Wolves, about half of the Jamaican sprint team have tested positive. The entire Russian Olympic team was doping. As I mentioned, some players have said that they were given substances by club doctors that made them feel on a different level, Phil Nevile with England at WC 2002 was one. You wouldn't need to dope all players all the time either. It would be key players at key times. The clubs inject the players with all sorts and the players trust them.
 
Kostur said:
To be fair it would all make sense, how Guardiola tried to sell his fairy dust to Redmond after the Saints match but the brave Englishman was stalwart to his values and refused to 'reach in his pocket'. Yesterday's anger towards Wiggle's manager looked like a roids-induced rage, all's missing was a dirty syringe in Poop's hand.
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:lol:
 
Year: 2028
Evening broadcast at a local sports stream: "The whole team got gulagged for consistent peping. The biggest scandal since 2018's exposure of the Merkel-Trump secret relationship"
 
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