Interesting turn of events compared to the "guranteed" City media briefings we've been receiving. Still don't think we got much of a chance though, tbf. Would make sense as to why we're being so patient with Louis though.
Pep Guardiola at City next?
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Interesting turn of events compared to the "guranteed" City media briefings we've been receiving. Still don't think we got much of a chance though, tbf. Would make sense as to why we're being so patient with Louis though.
Sounds like Pep's plan is to deflect until the end of the season, not convinced it will work
Surely we aren't going to miss out on Mourinho, keep LvG around and hope Pep comes here? That would define insanity.
I think we are going to reject Mourinho, Pep will go to city and we will get Giggs.
Truly defining insanity, and when we follow Liverpool's trajectory there will still be those confused at how it's happened.
The sheikhs of Manchester City do everything to pull our Pep ashore. From Messi to Neymar, apparently Guardiola could get half of the FC Barcelona squad. The Sagrada Família will finally be finished - in the heart of Manchester at St. Peter's Square. There is only some problems to get the Mediterranean Sea to Manchester. But the sheik promises: "We have more resources". Peps chief-in-law, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan pwns five percent of Ferrari - not of one Ferrari, but of the whole Ferrari company. He has 100 hawks. And two wives, Manal and Alia, with whom he has five children. By contrast, Bayern: Audi, and only one bird (amateur coach Heiko). Well, Kalle has five children, but with only one wife. That is supi in Manchester. If the boss has two wives, why should Pep not have 22 midfielders then?
http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc...ber-guardiola-manchester-city-tz-5991339.html
http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/fc...ber-guardiola-manchester-city-tz-5991339.html
The 'including a sabbatical year' bit is also interesting. I am not reading much of the news regarding him and his next move, but given his perfectionist attitude and amount of preparation he does, there is good chance he will take year off, take rest and plan his strategy and stuff for PL. Also, City and United will likely bolster their squads further next summer so he will be taking a squad in better shape than they will be for 2016-17 season. In 2016-17, Arsenal will be available too so one more option.
Funny how we read things differently. To me it reads like he's on his way to the PL, and his agent is being respectful not to undermine Pellegrini's last 5 months in charge for the remainder of this season. Maybe that's just me.
They are killing us on and off the pitch while we focus only on the present. By the time we realise it they will be out of sight.
Can we introduce 'likes' to posts? Although I do think this is a little over the top.
I think we are over taking you with the infrastructure in place around the club, simply because our owners are investing huge amounts into that area, but past success puts your revenue at a level where it's near impossible to put you out of sight on the pitch, IF you become more savvy in the transfer market.
The fact that you're in a battle to finish in the top 4 this season is purely down to poor transfer business, in my opinion, because you've spent, and will continue to be able to spend as much as anybody - you've just spent really badly.
Agree with this. There's an ongoing mild whiff of hysteria around these parts that there is terminal and inevitable decline. Financially we are sorted though and can blow most out of the water so it's just down to buying prudently.
Worth pointing out also that, as it stands, City themselves are only fourth and looking pretty inconsistent and fallible this season also due to poor transfer business. Spurs do not look to have the weaknesses of old, Leicester have every chance of clinging on, whilst United and Liverpool must surely be thereabouts. Top 4 is a huge battle for a few clubs this year I think.
Oh - there was nothing that really came from close the Guardiola camp the recent months. Nothing from Pep, not from Pere, not from Orobitg and the last thing von Perarnau was that: http://www.eurosport.de/fussball/ma...-bayern-zeit-abgelehnt_sto5031129/story.shtml and before he just told that everything was open and even told that there was a tendency of him staying.
Everything else where just rumours.
It is the first concrete message there is.
It is just the english press telling us all the time what he will do (and e.g. the German press copying - weeks before the German press was doing the same but in that case it was informations of the German camp and even then none out of Guardiolas) - and because it is just so much and so often and over a period of time we never really remarked that there is nothing of substance coming directly from the Guardiola camp.
The only thing we have from them is that he will quit Bayern after this season. Rummenigge has told that he thinks he knows - but that does not mean anything - not even that he has been told anything concrete.
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Yeah, what an agent has said in public is the first piece of information we can take as unquestionable fact. And do you really rate Bild+ and Kicker among the other German publications that lowly that you believe all they are doing is echoing whatever the Sun or the Daily Mirror is saying?
Let's look at this simply. I probably read a lot more English papers than you and the message in there is often that City is Guardiola's likely destination but few are saying it's certain, it's the German papers that seem to be giving a more definite destination for him. So, considering this, if Guardiola's agent comes out and says Guardiola has made his mind up, it's obvious that is only going to further the frenzy in the press to the detriment of City. Thus, if Guardiola has agreed to go to City, it would be illogical for his agent to come out and add fuel to the fire. I'm not saying that what his agent has said is false, it could well be true, but you'd be incredibly naive to accept whatever he says as the truth without considering the circumstances first. For someone who so readily dismisses widespread reports in the media, I'm a bit surprised you'd so eagerly accept the words of an agent.
I don't actually think we've spent really really badly at all. It's not like City haven't bought any total shit. We've just done it all at once and it was inevitable that not every transfer would work as hoped.
Even with a change in structure on the football side we're looking at 2-3 years before we're at a good level again.
Even with a change in structure on the football side we're looking at 2-3 years before we're at a good level again.
It's fashionable to say so, but we've not actually spent really badly. It's just that we've had to buy almost an entire new team due to the previous lot of players turning completely shit all at once for various reasons. What we have lacked is spending on our attack. Keeping the ADM signing aside, Memphis and Martial are the only additions in attack. And a season long Falcao loan in the middle. That, coming after the Moyes debacle was never going to be enough. Two kids aren't going to take you from a flawed attack to a quality one. We haven't strengthened the attack anywhere near the amount we should have.
The man is going to City.
There is more to an infrastructure than a shell of a youth academy. We have to wait and see the results before we start proclaiming it on a higher level than ourselves. City are still a team full of hundreds of millions worth of players and whomever takes their fancy every summer, not much of an infrastructure.
Our first team squad is full of youth academy products ffs, how City have deemed to have overtaken us already is baffling.
Our first team squad is full of youth academy products ffs, how City have deemed to have overtaken us already is baffling.
I don't believe you've been keeping up to date on where the two clubs are at currently in terms of their academies. Upon closer inspection you'll see there's quite a gap
Lets wait and see the results before we start lauding the infrastructure shall we?
Madrid have an excellent youth academy and pour millions into it yet its products are widely ignored. Southampton haven't spent 1/10th of City's budget towards their youth system yet churn out talent after talent and keep rolling on.
Chelsea have the best youth sides in England yet their last youth product was John Terry. Right now City's youth setup is a shell consisting of offering ridiculous money to the families of every highly rated United (apparently inferior)youth player to switch clubs.
Hardly the envy of the world as of yet.
Having an outstanding academy and actually bringing that into the first team are two different things.
Chelsea and City probably have two of the best academies in the world - but how many of their youth players actually play for them regularly?
The thing is, the infrastructure is there and they've been at it for less than 7 years, their progress is comendable and soon enough to remark on the gap. I think what sets City's program apart or at least to be lauded is the continuity of playing philosophy mirroring the way Ajax & Barcelona have all their youth teams play the same style as the 1st team. It's not merely facilities, education & finances but coaching too. Plus, the early results indicate those youth teams are bettering their city rivals in Manchester.
Now, imagine Barcelona players sending their kids to the academy of neighboring Asspanyol or RM. May not be the envy of the world but it would be troubling, non?
Now, imagine Barcelona players sending their kids to the academy of neighboring Asspanyol or RM. May not be the envy of the world but it would be troubling, non?
If his agent says nothing is decided and nothing will be decided before the next 2-3 months I'm inclined to believe him more than the press who is trying to make it sound like a certain thing that he has already agreed to join City or any other club.
Its a good plan though. He's very immaculate when it comes to planning. I reckon Pep is trolling/dick teasing Utd to prevent them getting Mourinho. I'm sure Pep wants a nice easy start to his City career and having Wenger, Klopp, Pochettino and Mourinho battling against him is not what he would prefer. Giggs on the other hand...
It is indeed a worry. The lack of structure and an overarching vision at our club is very worrying and we will fall further behind if we don't address this problem as soon as possible.
Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
United play the same way throughout our youth set up as well, not really much of a boast. Our biggest selling point is all our youth products have the education to stay in the game if they fail to succeed here and it's something we are famous for. I cant see how they could get more education and be better looked after than that.
The English rules hamstring our clubs as to what we can do, all this is just hot air imo. Unless they're changing the regulations any time soon then it's just both clubs trawling a shallow pool
I refuse to believe that he has his mind with City. Media will write anything to get clicks and sell papers. I do believe however that City wants him like any other club would.
Truth is, nobody knows exactly what's going to happen. His agent said that even a sabbatical year is an option.
Truth is, nobody knows exactly what's going to happen. His agent said that even a sabbatical year is an option.
I'd rather have class players in the academies than not. How much the current managers use said talents isn't as relevant. It's only a matter of time before some of them can't be ignored
Doubt he cares who the manager of United is.
Second time you've made this ridiculous and entirely unsubstantiated claim.
Southampton is a completely different situation as well, they are the biggest club in their region by some distance and have little competition to attract the best talents in their area. In the north-west it's considerably more competitive. Not saying Southampton don't deserve credit, just that it's an important factor many people overlook.
The optimist in me feels that the club isn't keen on sacking Van Gaal because we have Guardiola lined up in the Summer, so getting in a temp might be deemed tricky.
Guardiola at City over us? Absolutely no chance.
1) Basics of possesion football already being established here
2) If we really wanted to we could match City's Wages
3) Managers care about their names and who they manage. Jumping from Barcelona to Bayern then to Man City? Am I the only one seeing something wrong with that? I mean what is his aim? To be good as Di Matteo winning Chelsea their first CL? No, He wants to manage a team with history to build history.
He is already better than Pelegrini, Mancini etc etc, he does not have to go there to prove it but a chance to have your name reviberating around the likes of SAF & Busby's is a different level entirely.
1) Basics of possesion football already being established here
2) If we really wanted to we could match City's Wages
3) Managers care about their names and who they manage. Jumping from Barcelona to Bayern then to Man City? Am I the only one seeing something wrong with that? I mean what is his aim? To be good as Di Matteo winning Chelsea their first CL? No, He wants to manage a team with history to build history.
He is already better than Pelegrini, Mancini etc etc, he does not have to go there to prove it but a chance to have your name reviberating around the likes of SAF & Busby's is a different level entirely.
This is mainly for another thread but I think we're close to where you were last year in the sense that if we spend the £130-£150m this summer on 3 real quality players, in the right areas like you did last summer, (CB and attack for us this year, CB and attack for you last summer) then we can compete for the title. A lot of the rest is in place and the squad isn't as bad as it's being made to look. We have overspent at times to build our squad but that isn't in the least bit surprising.
We're not great in the transfer market and I wouldn't have the greatest faith that we get those 3 signings right like you guys did with Otamendi, De Bruyne and Sterling. But we can only wait and see.
RW+ST+CM+ LCB.
CM isn't as pressing a concern as the others, although it wouldn't hurt. But the other 3 all have to be resolved first. And we'll likely have to replace DDG as well.
All jokes aside. Just to dispel some myths about Manchester.
Lewandoski's agent made a joke or comment about Manchester weather. For a laugh I check the weather and everytime it's worse over there.
Munich does indeed seems to be worse than Manchester. I wonder why Manchester has such a bad rep?
Munich does indeed seems to be worse than Manchester. I wonder why Manchester has such a bad rep?
Probably because Munich has less harsh winters.
Bit generous classifying him with the other two to be honest. He's been decent but not convinced me yet. Think he'll form a solid partnership with Kompany but given his reputation, experience and price tag he should be doing more without him and helping a struggling Mangala more.
Edit - Agree with your post too. Your team just needs a couple of marquee players and it's ready to go. Would still be an incomplete squad but given the current state of the top teams in the league no reason why you couldn't be challenging with a fully-fit squad as it is anyway.
Umm.. there's like a 4-5°C difference in favour of Manchester during winter. Summers are warmer in Munich though and I guess maybe there is less rain?
I agree about Otamendi but your edit is what I was going to say, that with the state of the league at the moment, what Otamendi is doing right now is just enough. If he fitted in like I expected and was able to really strike up a partnership with Kompany instead of being disrupted by injuries to both, then you really could be walking the league.